Think Bike... I hate this slogan

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pete904ni:
Bear in mind that most of the arris-hole bikers are fat middle-aged divorced [zb]s trying to relive their youth, so the lights blinding everyone is the same effect as a transit loaded to the ■■■■■■■■… too much weight on the back :laughing:

Nice to see a lack of stereotyping here. FYI I’m 12 and a half stone, 50 years old, have ridden bikes since age 16 . :wink:

Now then, fat middle-aged divorced ■■■■■■ trying to re-live his youth; that could be any one of many truckers that I know! :grimacing:

I get just as wound up as the rest of you by the stupid antics of some bikers though, but as someone else said there’s stupid in all categories of driver. I don’t like ■■■■-heads who sit on the limiter inching past me at the rate of three millimetres per minute, nor for that matter do I care much for drivers who fill their tanks to the brim and slop diesel all over roundabouts.

At least bikers tend to use their lights, and check them regularly. Let him who’s without sin etc…

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And now, ladies and gentelman, welcome to Poland, land of absurd and paranoia.

The police opened two cases with a procurator fiscal. They were propably to lazy to work it out themselves, so they just started two cases hoping that the courts will sort it out for them.

In one case my friend was accused of causing harm to the motorbiker.
In second one the motorbiker was an accused and my friend was a victim.

The two cases were judged by two different courts, in simplified mode.

And what’s the outcome?

In case first my friend was found guilty.
In case two motorbiker was found guilty.

How on Earth one can be a victim and a guilty person at the same time?

And then you wonder why so many Poles are moving here… It’s not only about money, this country is just ■■■■■■ up :smiley:

(The only winner here is a police - they started two cases, and won both!)

My friend is off course appealing against case one :slight_smile:

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Seems to me it is the only sensible outcome, both were negligent.

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Trev_H:
Seems to me it is the only sensible outcome, both were negligent.

The problem is, that this is not the outcome.

The outcome is that one court found my friend 100% guilty, and the other court found the motorbiker 100% guilty :slight_smile:

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orys:

Trev_H:
Seems to me it is the only sensible outcome, both were negligent.

The problem is, that this is not the outcome.

The outcome is that one court found my friend 100% guilty, and the other court found the motorbiker 100% guilty :slight_smile:

Kind of says it all really dumb drivers dumb courts =.

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gnasty gnome:
Now then, fat middle-aged divorced [zb] trying to re-live his youth; that could be any one of many truckers that I know! :grimacing:

I get just as wound up as the rest of you by the stupid antics of some bikers though, but as someone else said there’s stupid in all categories of driver. I don’t like ■■■■-heads who sit on the limiter inching past me at the rate of three millimetres per minute, nor for that matter do I care much for drivers who fill their tanks to the brim and slop diesel all over roundabouts.

At least bikers tend to use their lights, and check them regularly. Let him who’s without sin etc…

Oy. I am not divorced :laughing:

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Grayham:
Think Bike? I wish some Bikers would think for themselves, had two this week try to run up the inside, first was in London I was turning left and it was a tight one so I moved out to take it wide, indicator on well in advance. I can see the biker tearing down the inside of the cars behind me, surely he would see what I was planning to do, but no he keeps on coming til the last second he slams just before he collides with the trailer. Arms up in the air like its my fault :unamused:

Second time was on the M25 at Reigate hill, I passed a slower truck, checked mirror, indicated and as i started pulling back in some dimwit courier rider tries to undertake me, why he thought this was acceptable and didn’t wait the few seconds for me to pull in I’ll never know, switched back to overtake and invited me for coffee as he passed on the right side, I could only shake my head with disbelief :confused:

Think bike? How about Think Truck? And if you can’t see one manovureing go to specsavers :imp:

How about “Thick Biker”

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caledoniandream:
He drives on the right, in a left hand car, change direction, and change lane without due care and attention, GUILTY my lord.

I drive a Left Hand Drive, I also drive on the right, and like the UK, the motorcyclists tend to hog the rear of the car then pull out to pass given the first opportunity, although here in Bulgaria when your indicating to turn left they wizz up the right hand side :wink:

Going by that video the motorcyclist was clearly not paying attention if the driver was indicating to turn left, moreso when you consider the car was across the left lane when the biker hit him.

The police over here have just been issued with speed guns in our locality, it’s brilliant watching them hiding in the bushes just before you get into Svishtov not realising nearly every car and truck going the opposite way has flashed the traffic approaching the trap to warn them in advance Lol

Yesterday they were litterally hiding in a bush you could only see the gun sticking out until you got really close and then saw his dark uniform, the police car was parked about 500 metres further down the road around a corner lol

Over here the fine is dependant on the speed you are over by, but its commonly called a 20 lev (about £9.30) offence to save the copper the time doing the paperwork but more importantly saving him the time of handing the paperwork & fine into chief cashier, weekends are always the busiest times for speed traps unless there’s a boys night out planned for during the week :slight_smile:

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Davey Driver:
Yesterday they were litterally hiding in a bush you could only see the gun sticking out until you got really close and then saw his dark uniform, the police car was parked about 500 metres further down the road around a corner lol

That’s weird… The speedguns I know are powered from the cigarete lighter socket…

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What it all boils down to is the fact that the car has the steering wheel on the wrong side, a sure fire recipe for trouble.

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orys:
That’s weird… The speedguns I know are powered from the cigarete lighter socket…

Not here Orys, whether they have a separate power supply or what I dont know, as I’ve never been stopped for speeding by them, but the Policia make good use of it with very strange hiding places Lol

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Trev_H:
Well I use a bike everyday on the motorway have done for years, Its a pretty meaningless slogan. People will see you or they won’t, regardless of what you wear, how visible you are lights on or off it makes little difference.
Don’t think biker on my account ! I’ll do all the thinking for everyone around me, no offence but I can’t rely on someone elses thinking and that applies to everything I ride/drive.

If I was a biker, this is how I would see it
As for the slogan, maybe you got it wrong Orys THINK BIKE was aimed at the biker so he would remember he is on a bike and not a rocket propelled missile that is immune to collision, once the biker starts thinking for himself and adopts a self preservation style of riding all will be better, I “know” they are allowed to weave through traffic, but if they don’t and they do what cars do, ie stay in line there would be far far fewer accidents involving bikes, :bulb:

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mike68:
What it all boils down to is the fact that the car has the steering wheel on the wrong side, a sure fire recipe for trouble.

I drive a left hand drive car have done for years it makes no difference what side its on if you drive it correctley.

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… and mind that truck!

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Am i being a bit thick but the bike was obviously at the side of the car when it turned as soon as the steering wheel is moved you hear the fud so a quick glance in the mirror would have seen him :confused: plus the fact it just sort of knocks him of line does not look like he was going much quicker than the car.

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danny_mk2:
Am i being a bit thick but the bike was obviously at the side of the car when it turned as soon as the steering wheel is moved you hear the fud so a quick glance in the mirror would have seen him :? plus the fact it just sort of knocks him of line does not look like he was going much quicker than the car.

Not if the biker was in the blind spot at the time the driver looked

Caledoniandream, you are 100% correct with your understanding of dipped & main (sometimes called high) beam.

Waynebm, have you done an advanced biking course? I think not. I’m not a biker, never was & don’t intend to be, but as an advanced car driver i know that when moving up the side of a slow/stopped lane of traffic, to watch for front wheel movements giving the clue of the sudden unindicated lane change. Even more important to watch for this on a bike I’d think.

I live on a busy trunk road. Sometimes when about to turn right into my drive & positioning accordingly, I see bikers (correctly) hanging back rather than coming down my nearside. I know why they do this, its because car drivers often move over to the white line for a right turn & then wander back to their left. I signal with my hand so they can see through the rear windscreen that I’m aware of them & that its ok to come on down the n/s. (I usually get a thank you gesture as they get infront of me).

Grahamzx6r, I agree with you, it IS a good slogan & does tend to make other drivers take extra care at junctions etc. It works for me, so by the law of averages, I know full well it will for others too.

Orys, part of the art of safe driving, is being aware of & making allowances for, the mistakes of others.

I think you should all go & spend a week driving in Thailand, where there are more bikes than cars, then come back here & see how easy you got it. There, if a biker comes to a T junction & wishes to turn right, but the main road is busy, instead of waiting for a safe opportunity to complete the manoevre, they simply go up the wrong side of the road then swoop accross to the left. This is done at night also, with/without lights. Ofcourse if one hits you , it will be YOUR fault because as a foreigner, if you hadn’t been in their country at that time, the accident wouldn’t have occured!

Gnastygnome, when a driver is passing you “at the rate of three millimetres per minute” has it never occurred to you to knock your cruise off a couple of kms & let him be on his way, out of your way and thereby helping the general pattern of traffic to flow more smoothly?

jimti, I disagree that the Think Bike slogan is aimed at bikers, it isn’t.

Just glad I’m not a biker, far too risky!

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Driveroneuk:
Gnastygnome, when a driver is passing you “at the rate of three millimetres per minute” has it never occurred to you to knock your cruise off a couple of kms & let him be on his way, out of your way and thereby helping the general pattern of traffic to flow more smoothly?

That is exactly what I do. I was merely using that as a method of illustrating the fact that most road users have some kind of bad habit.

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caledoniandream:

mutley:

Gaz:
Difficult to tell with that vid to be honest?!

One thing that does wind me up is the selfish bikers with their lights on main beam!!! :imp:

They get a full on main beam back in the face off me for as long as the come at me with theirs on!!!

A lot if the newer bikes have the lights on permanently and you can’t turn them off if you want to, so there’s not much we can do about it is there?

Nobody speaks about lights on, because that should be law, but main or dipped beam seems to be different.
I don’t believe one second that you cannot switch the main beam off on yer bike :mrgreen:

I have driven Volvo cars for many years,and there was always the joke about them having their lights on all the time.
On my earlier Volvos,the sidelights had two filaments in,5 w and 30 w.When the ignition was turned on,the brighter filament,30 w,came on,a tradition started in Scandinavia,called day running lights,(For the pratts that forgot to puit their lights on in bad weather!).
When one switched on the sidelights,the sidelights changed over to the low wattage filament as a normal sidelight.
On my first 740 model,the headlights came on with the ignition,on dipped beam,but could be turned off with a screwdriver turning a screw on the switch.
However,the main beam could only be switched on,permanently,if the headlights were switched on using the switch,as opposed to the iognition.
My pesent Volvo has the dipped headlights on all the time and cannot be over ridden as previously,BUT,you can only switch main beam on when the light switch is used to put the headlights on.
I would assume therefore that motorbikes are the same,to have one’s headlights on main beam all the time,must mean that the headlights are switched on,and they are switched to main beam!

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It is an MOT requirement that a motorcycle must have a means to switch from main to dipped beam,see here motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_120.htm

It is not NOT a legal requirement,in GB, that motorcycles should have headlights on in daylight. However,almost all motorcycles,since 2003/4 have the lights hard wired to come on when the ignition is turned on,taking away from the rider, any choice to do otherwise.Unless,like me,they choose to fit a simple on-off switch. Having been a motorcyclist(I’m not a *******biker)since 1965,I do not ride in daylight with lights on,unless,of course,bad weather dictates otherwise. There has been a lot of research done over the years re the pros and cons of DTRLs on motorcycles,none has been conclusive,one way or the other.
As far as the no headlight switch being fitted is concerned,well,BMW were the first to do this,partly as a marketing exersise and partly to pacify the EU suits,all other manufacturers soon followed,when they realised that it saved them a bit of money!
As for the “Think bike” signs,if they make ! other road users more aware,that can only be a good thing,but,from a personal point of view,I always ride in such a position that I can always be seen,of course,other road users being aware of what’s going on around them helps!

Former AIM motorcycle instructor, Truck driver,class1 since 1976,still do a bit,but only from Sept till April,summers are reserved for motorcycle touring abroad :laughing:
Poco

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The camera also shows that he drives to close to the car in front and you’ve only got to look at the way the bus and the cars going in the opposite direction approached that blind 90 degree bend to see the way that east europeans drive. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing:It that car which he was following had braked suddenly,or if there’d been another bus going in the opposite direction in front of the cars,as the other bus came round that bend,the resulting nose to tail shunt,or head on crash,would probably have prevented the one between the car and the bike which happened a bit further down the road. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: But if anyone wants to know how to put that think bike/lambretta idea into practice just drive through any Italian town or City (especially Palermo) at rush hour.How the Poles manage to drive artics there is anyone’s guess. :open_mouth: :laughing: