Andrejs:
what different 10 p/h -flat rate or 8 p/h plus 2p/h some bonuses???if this garantets. i was working in warehouse 5 years.we had about 6 pounds basic pay and pick rate -if good work ,can be about 3 p/h.total 9 pounds or more.
My Dad always told me “always have a good basic wage that’s far more important than any other fancy pay structure” and I’ve always took his advice hence maybe that’s why I work for a company on a good salaried rate.
Salaried rocks when it’s for a 35-40 hour week - because that amounts to a good hourly rate.
I’d love a 35 hour week for £500 instead of “unspecified hours off book on poa” (meaning 55 hours+) only slightly more money, because of the allowances.
I agree that fancy allowances mask extra unpaid hours, eg night out money of £25 masks the fact that a “night’s daily rest” is minimum 9 hours away from home, for which you’re being paid less than £3 an hour for.
What a great incentive for a “planner” therefore to get you “parked up and off the headline rate” and onto that crappy overnight rate as soon as possible! 
Get rid of “nights out rate”, and just replace it with a higher basic hourly rate for being a tramper, or working nights etc. 
We used to call that “night premium” or “shift allowance”. WTF happened to it?
Are there any trampers on here who do 4-5 nights away each week, but only put in 8-9 hours a day at daytime rates whilst actually working? Maybe its MOST of you? 
Harry Monk:
rob22888:
Thereal-john:
On arrival at the venue you will become part of the team and assist in the set-up /dismantling of hospitality buildings to the prestigious standard that F1 demands. Once the set-up is complete you will give support in a variety of duties including night security, cleaning, working in the kitchens, preparing vegetables, cleaning dishes, minibus driving, airport transfers etc.[zb] THAT
Each to his own, but I have done work like that before and it will be what I remember on my deathbed as the best job I ever had. I have seen the chairman of BP roll up his sleeves and mop the trailer floor, nobody is too proud to get the show on the road.
It’s not for those whose idea of heaven is to sit in a Tesco waiting room talking ■■■■■■■■ I know, but for the craic of being part of an event it’s hard to beat.
The jobs not for me Harry, but I suppose if it was an event I was interested in I might think differently. F1 & motorsports in general bore me to tears so the idea of surrounding myself with it for a living & having to be a kitchen skivvy in the process isn’t tickling my taste buds 
I’d want to lose the load and get away from it. A job for the enthusiast I think.
A few years back they advertised for Crick depot a basic was 50 hours plus overtime,I DIDN`T BOTHER
stupidn00b:
I love these posts theyre hilarious :slight_smile: Im doing the steel atm at the dreaded stobarts. Just come back from a 3 week run… In 19 days out i did 13 cards, Most cards where 9-10 hours with an average of 7h30 minutes actual driving. i did 2 13s due to accidents where i had to divert/traffic. for most part its flat out on the limiter, 650km+ @ 84-87KM/h average speed :stuck_out_tongue: on the 6 days i had parked up i was still paid MORE than a 13hour shift at a tesco RDC. where it was my "free time" one of those 2 day park ups i caught the train into antwerp and went sightseeing like a tourist, gonna try Ghent next time. Parking up in Germany there are several very picturesque towns full of bars, cafes, restaurants, castles,History and friendly people. I even found a barrista coffee house where they grind the beans and serve your coffee on a silver tray for the princely sum of £2, 21 speciality beans ive managed 7 so far while surfing the net on the free wifi.It isn
t hard work but it isnt you regular 0600-1900 job by far. You go when you load is ready, Rarely get an 11 off its usually closer to 18-20 off which means your start time can be anything from 0000-2359People slag the pay but IMO the pay structure is grand
I`m happy and have no complaints. My last job before stobarts was on tippers and i did 4 nights out, 70+ hours weekly and earnt a good wage. Now i earn a better wage for much less clean work
Thanks you`ve been a right laugh
Fair enough, sounds like your making the most of it. See a lot of your guys delivering steel to the new warehouse at solstice park, Amesbury.
Winseer:
LIBERTY_GUY:
The £38k figure quoted if you read the small print, is based on being away internationally on 12 day runs and including allowances. Fine if you have absolutely zero home life…When you get back from one of those round trips then, how many days are you home before setting off again?
Surely the max working 5-6 applies over a fortnight, with the 12th day being the reduced weekly rest period in the middle…
If you get home, only to go back out again within 48 hours (the legal minimum), then it’s not the job for a married man… Or at least a man that wants to stay married.
Prob do the same as our trampers who are way for a fortnight at a time:
24h reduced weekly rest in middle and then 66hrs weekly rest off at the end.
Andrejs:
what different 10 p/h -flat rate or 8 p/h plus 2p/h some bonuses???if this garantets. i was working in warehouse 5 years.we had about 6 pounds basic pay and pick rate -if good work ,can be about 3 p/h.total 9 pounds or more.
I see the difference as when you go on holiday, if your contracted to 42 hours at £10 p/h, you’ll get £420 a week holiday pay, if your contracted to 42 hours at £8 p/h + £2 p/h bonus, you’ll only get £336 holiday pay, so at £86 difference, that’s a big difference between £10 p/h or £8 p/h + £2 p/h bonus
I’d never work for stobarts. I’d rather work for some of the other companies around here that pay 500 for 6 days.
selby newcomer:
Andrejs:
what different 10 p/h -flat rate or 8 p/h plus 2p/h some bonuses???if this garantets. i was working in warehouse 5 years.we had about 6 pounds basic pay and pick rate -if good work ,can be about 3 p/h.total 9 pounds or more.I see the difference as when you go on holiday, if your contracted to 42 hours at £10 p/h, you’ll get £420 a week holiday pay, if your contracted to 42 hours at £8 p/h + £2 p/h bonus, you’ll only get £336 holiday pay, so at £86 difference, that’s a big difference between £10 p/h or £8 p/h + £2 p/h bonus
Yup… You’ve got it. Someone on permanent nights would get more holiday pay than someone on days - even for flat shift no overtime working patterns.
Where’s all the full time permanent nights jobs gone? 
iankav:
Fatboy slimslow:
Be VERY carefulonce you’re there earning
your planner will start parking you UP!
to let agency drive on by!
So the planner will park you up,losing him earnings?
They will give the agency driver,who costs them more an hour to run,more hours?
Yes.Ok.
this isn’t as odd as it sounds mate.
I worked Friday to Tuesday tramping. at the interview I was told how it was good money because you get your hours in sat and sunday, however more often than not I would find myself parked up very early on a sunday in one of the depots with not a clue what work I was doing on the Monday. turns out it was handy to have a spare bod in a depot in case someone called in sick Monday.
I apologise is advance for this question, however I seem a bit lost. Is it right then you only get paid if youre driving then?. How does getting paid work then?
If you are paid by the hour, then if you go to work for 10 hours, you get paid for ten hours - at least if no hour is taken off for “unpaid meal break”.
If you are salaried, you get paid the same whether you work 8 hours or 12 hours. 15 hours every day is illegal, but there are plenty in this business who work 12 hour shifts, get an hour unpaid for lunch, and are therefore “salaried for 55 paid hours”. over monday-friday.
If you are a tramper, then you might be paid for a 10 hour day, but when parked in a layby “off duty”, you’ll not be paid - except for the “night out allowance” which imo is small compensation for having hours 11-24 of your day ■■■■■■■ with the vehicle, which for security purposes, you shouldn’t leave unattended.
A 5-day 4-night tramper then might drive say, 9 hours per day, 2 hours on “other work” like loading, and 1 hour a day on meal break multiplied by 5 shifts per week. This would include 4xnight out money, which might be £25 per night. You are most definately NOT being paid for “all your hours away from home, at work”. In 3 years of doing agency, I’ve not been offered any tramping, so I think the agencies rather you not do it because being “paid by the hour” as you are on agencies would presumably mean that working from say, 9am monday to 8pm friday with nights out would pay you for every hour between the start and return home, and would cost the firm a fortune that they are not prepared to pay… Even at minimum wage £6.50ph, 9am monday to 8pm friday with an hour a day knocked off for unpaid mreal break would cost the firm a lofty £795.50 for the working pattern I’ve described. There might be some yards out there paying that kind of wage per week, but you’ll not hear about it because of the “dead man’s shoes” rule - such jobs are never advertised, because they are always filled in house, or by word-of-mouth. Remember too that £795.50 is the weekly wage figure based on minimum wage hourly rate when broken down. Net hourly rates are really not that good for trampers. Nights is better imo.
Typical pay for the work pattern described is around £500 - £600 with the 4x£25 night out money.
Whether paid by the hour on agency, full timer, paid by the shift, or salaried - you’ll not really ever being paid for being “off duty” in a layby, be it for a 45 minute legally required break, 11 hours daily rest, or 45 hours weekly rest.
Winseer:
If you are paid by the hour, then if you go to work for 10 hours, you get paid for ten hours - at least if no hour is taken off for “unpaid meal break”.If you are salaried, you get paid the same whether you work 8 hours or 12 hours. 15 hours every day is illegal, but there are plenty in this business who work 12 hour shifts, get an hour unpaid for lunch, and are therefore “salaried for 55 paid hours”. over monday-friday.
If you are a tramper, then you might be paid for a 10 hour day, but when parked in a layby “off duty”, you’ll not be paid - except for the “night out allowance” which imo is small compensation for having hours 11-24 of your day ■■■■■■■ with the vehicle, which for security purposes, you shouldn’t leave unattended.
A 5-day 4-night tramper then might drive say, 9 hours per day, 2 hours on “other work” like loading, and 1 hour a day on meal break multiplied by 5 shifts per week. This would include 4xnight out money, which might be £25 per night. You are most definately NOT being paid for “all your hours away from home, at work”. In 3 years of doing agency, I’ve not been offered any tramping, so I think the agencies rather you not do it because being “paid by the hour” as you are on agencies would presumably mean that working from say, 9am monday to 8pm friday with nights out would pay you for every hour between the start and return home, and would cost the firm a fortune that they are not prepared to pay… Even at minimum wage £6.50ph, 9am monday to 8pm friday with an hour a day knocked off for unpaid mreal break would cost the firm a lofty £795.50 for the working pattern I’ve described. There might be some yards out there paying that kind of wage per week, but you’ll not hear about it because of the “dead man’s shoes” rule - such jobs are never advertised, because they are always filled in house, or by word-of-mouth. Remember too that £795.50 is the weekly wage figure based on minimum wage hourly rate when broken down. Net hourly rates are really not that good for trampers. Nights is better imo.
Typical pay for the work pattern described is around £500 - £600 with the 4x£25 night out money.
Whether paid by the hour on agency, full timer, paid by the shift, or salaried - you’ll not really ever being paid for being “off duty” in a layby, be it for a 45 minute legally required break, 11 hours daily rest, or 45 hours weekly rest.
I’m not being funny mate, but no trampers or person who does nights out gets paid from the moment they start work on a Monday to the moment they go home on a Friday/Saturday. Anyone who expects to be paid for having a 9/11 off is deluded! Why should a firm pay you to sleep/shower/cook/eat, they wouldn’t pay you to do it at home?!
As for being expected to “stay with the truck” you want to look for a different job then mate, there is no legal requirement for a driver to stay with the truck/load while on a daily/weekly rest period. You are driver not a convict!
NewLad:
I’m not being funny mate, but no trampers or person who does nights out gets paid from the moment they start work on a Monday to the moment they go home on a Friday/Saturday. Anyone who expects to be paid for having a 9/11 off is deluded! Why should a firm pay you to sleep/shower/cook/eat, they wouldn’t pay you to do it at home?!As for being expected to “stay with the truck” you want to look for a different job then mate, there is no legal requirement for a driver to stay with the truck/load while on a daily/weekly rest period. You are driver not a convict!
I must be special then? i was paid £60 “layover UK” for my 24 off and £206 “layover EU” last week for the days i didnt drive. i however didnt get paid my night out money for those 3 days
agreed about the staying with truck. If you aint a load for me i`m off to pub/cafe/town/anywhere just about lol
happysack:
I’d never work for stobarts. I’d rather work for some of the other companies around here that pay 500 for 6 days.
Wise words… Pmsl
stupidn00b:
NewLad:
I’m not being funny mate, but no trampers or person who does nights out gets paid from the moment they start work on a Monday to the moment they go home on a Friday/Saturday. Anyone who expects to be paid for having a 9/11 off is deluded! Why should a firm pay you to sleep/shower/cook/eat, they wouldn’t pay you to do it at home?!As for being expected to “stay with the truck” you want to look for a different job then mate, there is no legal requirement for a driver to stay with the truck/load while on a daily/weekly rest period. You are driver not a convict!
I must be special then? i was paid £60 “layover UK” for my 24 off and £206w “layover EU” last week for the days i didn
t drive. i however didnt get paid my night out money for those 3 daysagreed about the staying with truck. If you aint a load for me i`m off to pub/cafe/town/anywhere just about lol
Nice one, as rare as hens teeth! Pm me company detail, I want a job!
NewLad:
Nice one, as rare as hens teeth! Pm me company detail, I want a job!
hmmmm its in the thread title NewLad I do europe tramping. mostly the steel contract for germany. 1 drop one collection every 3-4 days lol. Only doing 3 weeks out atm as i`m not ■■■■■■■■ lol. just home now for 4 days go back monday
How much time away do you have to do on there?
if your weekended most companies should pay for the days you are out, last job was £80 per day didn’t matter if it was euro or in uk
rob22888:
Harry Monk:
rob22888:
Thereal-john:
On arrival at the venue you will become part of the team and assist in the set-up /dismantling of hospitality buildings to the prestigious standard that F1 demands. Once the set-up is complete you will give support in a variety of duties including night security, cleaning, working in the kitchens, preparing vegetables, cleaning dishes, minibus driving, airport transfers etc.[zb] THAT
Each to his own, but I have done work like that before and it will be what I remember on my deathbed as the best job I ever had. I have seen the chairman of BP roll up his sleeves and mop the trailer floor, nobody is too proud to get the show on the road.
It’s not for those whose idea of heaven is to sit in a Tesco waiting room talking ■■■■■■■■ I know, but for the craic of being part of an event it’s hard to beat.
The jobs not for me Harry, but I suppose if it was an event I was interested in I might think differently. F1 & motorsports in general bore me to tears so the idea of surrounding myself with it for a living & having to be a kitchen skivvy in the process isn’t tickling my taste buds
Not having an interest in F1 would be an advantage in the job, as you’ll not see any of the racing and you wouldn’t get star struck when you see a driver.
I pretty much understand what Harry is going on about, and in over 10 year of working on motorsport I’ve done some pretty menial jobs, but they have to be done and it depends who’s available, sometimes it might be me other times it could be the team boss.
but how bad the job is mostly down to who you work with, I’d rather peel spuds or wash up having a laugh with some interesting and fun people than sit in a RDC listening to yet another loud mouth hero driver telling everybody how crap it all is or trying get a civil response from some goods in staff.