No one said if Wales will become independent I couldn’t see it they don’t seem to care about it
irish lorries:
No one said if Wales will become independent I couldn’t see it they don’t seem to care about it
They don’t seem to care about it? They have dual languages displayed on every sign post/ road marking. They have their own assembly etc…and you think they don’t care about it ? LOL !!!
Mike-C:
irish lorries:
No one said if Wales will become independent I couldn’t see it they don’t seem to care about itThey don’t seem to care about it? They have dual languages displayed on every sign post/ road marking. They have their own assembly etc…and you think they don’t care about it ? LOL !!!
yes they may have dual languages but that’s not what I mean I mean they don’t seem to care about being part of the uk or becoming there own country
irish lorries:
Mike-C:
irish lorries:
No one said if Wales will become independent I couldn’t see it they don’t seem to care about itThey don’t seem to care about it? They have dual languages displayed on every sign post/ road marking. They have their own assembly etc…and you think they don’t care about it ? LOL !!!
yes they may have dual languages but that’s not what I mean I mean they don’t seem to care about being part of the uk or becoming there own country
It’s probably fair to say that the nationalist cause in Wales is nowhere near as organised and supported as that which has historically applied in Ireland.As I’ve said ironically the real break up of the UK will probably happen more through the English eventually wanting to go their seperate way rather than a majority vote for the North to join the South in Ireland and an independent Scotland and Wales against the UK unionist factions of the Scottish,Northern Irish and Welsh populations.
Free England from this yolk of historical deadweight interdependence .No more outside interference from selfish minorities. Vote England For The English Now!
irish lorries:
Mike-C:
irish lorries:
No one said if Wales will become independent I couldn’t see it they don’t seem to care about itThey don’t seem to care about it? They have dual languages displayed on every sign post/ road marking. They have their own assembly etc…and you think they don’t care about it ? LOL !!!
yes they may have dual languages but that’s not what I mean I mean they don’t seem to care about being part of the uk or becoming there own country
Yeah i see what you mean. They want to retain an “Identity” as opposed to becoming a seperate “entity” ?
harry:
Free England from this yolk of historical deadweight interdependence .No more outside interference from selfish minorities. Vote England For The English Now!
It appears you fullas doon sooth are a trifle worried about this Independence thing 5 pages and no many Scottish posts.
Harry it appears you have forgot how Scotland built the majority of your Warships so England could win the second world war oh aye and a hell of a lot o the ammo they fired also came from up here just thought I would mention it in case you had forgot… Eddie.
The only thing we are worried about is you all bottling it and voting no, it would give us the chance to throw more money down the drain.
And you’re correct when you say England won the war, we just had a little help from other interested minorities.
aye erf guy and the subs
For that do not know , the vote for independence is not about the SNP , it is about controlling our own affairs, be that by the snp or labour party , but certainly not consertative patry , but going by the big push here in
Scotland it is more to do do with the labour party trying to win votes, WHY
Because surely the labour party have MUCH more to lose, WHY because they have many more SCOTTISH mps in parliament , who would be out of a job, and what would the London bankers do with there time, then they could only scam London
more to say … why would a prick like Miliband have an interest in Scotland if it was for his own interest only.
You yourself think …how do i protect my job■■?
Iam a PRICK …ARE YOU■■? No do dot be fooled by a person like this ,VOTE YES…
Slackbladder:
The only thing we are worried about is you all bottling it and voting no, it would give us the chance to throw more money down the drain.
Funnily enough, the best argument I’ve heard for Scots to vote YES, is that your point hasn’t been mentioned.
If Scotland is such a drain on Englands finances, wouldn’t the treasury be encouraging us to vote YES 
OK they have to toe the Government line, but “leaks” of the contents of internal documents happen frequently enough. Something along the lines of “let the Scots have their independence, we’ll be well rid of that financial millstone”, would have “leaked” by now, if Scotland is a financial millstone.
But no, your point has only been raised by you and others like you. Financial people who know what they are talking about don’t want Scotland to vote for independence. (Maybe RBS will after todays news)
All the civil servants of the UK/English government won’t become unemployed overnight either.
Scotland will need its own equivalent to VOSA, the DVLA, the Passport Office, tax office, Customs and Excise, etc etc etc. So all those people working in the Scottish offices of those departments may become unemployed one day but they’ll be re-employed the next, in their old jobs, with different headed note paper.
Ok maybe you can answer a question, just for “people like me” whatever that means. Does Scotland currently make enough money to support itself or does it rely on money from parliament?
Slackbladder:
Ok maybe you can answer a question, just for “people like me” whatever that means. Does Scotland currently make enough money to support itself or does it rely on money from parliament?
In short yes Scotland will be able to support itself… Even the current Westminster govt agree this.
The 2012-2013 Government Expenditure and Revenue figures show that Scotland generated 9.1% of UK taxes, with just 8.3% of the population. When we take into account all parts of the financial equation, over the last 5 years Scotland’s finances have been stronger than the UK’s to the tune of £8.3 billion - that’s £1,600 per person.
Lets not forget that UK Govts have been using creative accounting since about 1974 to try and show Scotland relied on
Westminster for Financial support. To quote Gordon McIntye-Kemp who wrote about this in 2013
Scotland paid £64.1 billion (sixty-four thousand one hundred million pounds) interest on debt that Scotland had no need for, simply because we are not an independent country! As a result, on average, £2,000 million was ripped out of the heart of Scotland’s economy every year for 32 years, to pay interest on loans that Scotland didn’t take out and didn’t need.
Colingl:
Slackbladder:
Ok maybe you can answer a question, just for “people like me” whatever that means. Does Scotland currently make enough money to support itself or does it rely on money from parliament?In short yes Scotland will be able to support itself… Even the current Westminster govt agree this.
The 2012-2013 Government Expenditure and Revenue figures show that Scotland generated 9.1% of UK taxes, with just 8.3% of the population. When we take into account all parts of the financial equation, over the last 5 years Scotland’s finances have been stronger than the UK’s to the tune of £8.3 billion - that’s £1,600 per person.
Lets not forget that UK Govts have been using creative accounting since about 1974 to try and show Scotland relied on
Westminster for Financial support. To quote Gordon McIntye-Kemp who wrote about this in 2013Scotland paid £64.1 billion (sixty-four thousand one hundred million pounds) interest on debt that Scotland had no need for, simply because we are not an independent country! As a result, on average, £2,000 million was ripped out of the heart of Scotland’s economy every year for 32 years, to pay interest on loans that Scotland didn’t take out and didn’t need.
Excellent, it makes you wonder why there would be any doubt as to the outcome of the vote then doesn’t it?
weakbladder is trying to provoke a reaction with his bnp type trolling
nearly there:
weakbladder is trying to provoke a reaction with his bnp type trolling
Why is it that just because I ask a few pointed questions I am a troll? I am interested in the outcome of the vote, aren’t you? As it happens I think we, the English, would be better off without them, if you don’t like that point of view then that’s tough. I was under the impression that Scotland received a pile of cash from parliament, one of the mods points out that that is incorrect, they cannot be wrong so I must believe it.
As for the bnp, you couldn’t be further from the truth.
Colingl:
Slackbladder:
Ok maybe you can answer a question, just for “people like me” whatever that means. Does Scotland currently make enough money to support itself or does it rely on money from parliament?In short yes Scotland will be able to support itself… Even the current Westminster govt agree this.
The 2012-2013 Government Expenditure and Revenue figures show that Scotland generated 9.1% of UK taxes, with just 8.3% of the population. When we take into account all parts of the financial equation, over the last 5 years Scotland’s finances have been stronger than the UK’s to the tune of £8.3 billion - that’s £1,600 per person.
Lets not forget that UK Govts have been using creative accounting since about 1974 to try and show Scotland relied on
Westminster for Financial support. To quote Gordon McIntye-Kemp who wrote about this in 2013Scotland paid £64.1 billion (sixty-four thousand one hundred million pounds) interest on debt that Scotland had no need for, simply because we are not an independent country! As a result, on average, £2,000 million was ripped out of the heart of Scotland’s economy every year for 32 years, to pay interest on loans that Scotland didn’t take out and didn’t need.
I will post this again as it appears to have gone missing.
That’s excellent. But it begs the question on why then is the vote not going to be a foregone conclusion?
Because some scottish people see themselfs a scottish others see themselfs as british.for me no one side have gave a good arguement.ill be happy just to ditch the tories and lib dems
Slackbladder:
Colingl:
Slackbladder:
Ok maybe you can answer a question, just for “people like me” whatever that means. Does Scotland currently make enough money to support itself or does it rely on money from parliament?In short yes Scotland will be able to support itself… Even the current Westminster govt agree this.
The 2012-2013 Government Expenditure and Revenue figures show that Scotland generated 9.1% of UK taxes, with just 8.3% of the population. When we take into account all parts of the financial equation, over the last 5 years Scotland’s finances have been stronger than the UK’s to the tune of £8.3 billion - that’s £1,600 per person.
Lets not forget that UK Govts have been using creative accounting since about 1974 to try and show Scotland relied on
Westminster for Financial support. To quote Gordon McIntye-Kemp who wrote about this in 2013Scotland paid £64.1 billion (sixty-four thousand one hundred million pounds) interest on debt that Scotland had no need for, simply because we are not an independent country! As a result, on average, £2,000 million was ripped out of the heart of Scotland’s economy every year for 32 years, to pay interest on loans that Scotland didn’t take out and didn’t need.
I will post this again as it appears to have gone missing.
That’s excellent. But it begs the question on why then is the vote not going to be a foregone conclusion?
Probably for the same reasons as in Ireland in that the opposing ideologies of British Unionism v Seperatist/Nationalism have never had much connection with financial considerations or so called ‘left’ v ‘right’ politics.
Which then leaves the issue and contradiction of so called ‘seperatist/nationalists’ being pro federalist,in the case of membership of organisations like the EU for example.It’s that contradiction which can probably be explained more by the financial motive. 