the maoster:
The very fact that it’s even under discussion proves that the professional hand wringers are sticking their oar in. How refreshing would it be for Cameron to say “I’m the Prime Minister, these people are enemies of Britain and as such I authorised and will continue to authorise their killings”? Now THAT I could happily live with.
Although I will say that going along with the conspiracy theorists, for the Gov to say that they had threatened to stage attacks in Britain is simply brilliant. I mean that yes, sat around their camp fire they’d probably fantasised about a “spectacular” in Britain, but the fact that they have been targeted for the queen and Britain threat now sows the seed of doubt in the heads of IS that we (the British) have spies in their midst. Brilliant counter intelligence in my book.
More like a typical pro immigration agenda attempt to divert attention from the issue of nationality being based on jus Soli not being worth the paper it is written on on their birth certificates.Which explains why Cameron won’t say we blew them up because they are foreign enemies regardless of where they were born.
While there isn’t much point in us having spies amongst a few hundred so called ‘British’ Jihadists.When Cameron is already joining Merkel in letting hundreds of thousands if not millions walk in to our home turf to join their comrades already here. 
People banging on about these two bell ends who got snotted claiming it wasn’t cricket, since when did ISIS play by the rule book.
They want to become enemy of GB, a nation that provided for them, fine. Be prepared for the consequences of your actions.
Also, seen a video knocking round of some reporter on sky news saying she remembers back in Feb when isis told the world they would be sending thousands of soldiers to Europe on boats. I see a lot of young men, fighting age, running away? Really?
The PM was on the news this morning saying exactly that, the problem is that the paranoid conspiracy theorists, some of which haunt this forum, wouldn’t believe what they see as its on the BBC, they refuse to believe anything said by people they don’t like but are happy to take in the most ridiculous stories in dodgy newspapers. I’ve just previewed this & you can see it right there.
The first thing I thought when I saw the story was “great, let’s have some more of that” what exactly did they think would happen when they voluntarily went to a war zone? Any that come back & are caught should be tried for treason & jailed for life, to mean life. I would make this known to everyone in the country, just so there is no gray area.
The thing to remember is that these people were born here, brought up here, educated here & radicalised here. They went over there to kill the very people now trying to get here, why would you think those refugees would want to join them here, to go through all that crap to get here, just to turn around & kill the people taking them in?
Go on then CF, what do I really mean, I cannot wait to see what I’m pro/anti/bs/
BillyHunt:
The PM was on the news this morning saying exactly that, the problem is that the paranoid conspiracy theorists, some of which haunt this forum, wouldn’t believe what they see as its on the BBC, they refuse to believe anything said by people they don’t like but are happy to take in the most ridiculous stories in dodgy newspapers. I’ve just previewed this & you can see it right there.
The first thing I thought when I saw the story was “great, let’s have some more of that” what exactly did they think would happen when they voluntarily went to a war zone? Any that come back & are caught should be tried for treason & jailed for life, to mean life. I would make this known to everyone in the country, just so there is no gray area.
The thing to remember is that these people were born here, brought up here, educated here & radicalised here. They went over there to kill the very people now trying to get here, why would you think those refugees would want to join them here, to go through all that crap to get here, just to turn around & kill the people taking them in?
Go on then CF, what do I really mean, I cannot wait to see what I’m pro/anti/bs/
Are you presuming the genuine refugees will turn rogue? Do you think that is the only worry? Fiddling whilst Rome burns springs to mind.
Actually what you alluded to may also happen experiencing the religion as I have in the Middle East in it’s full sailed, un tempered form. But I think you’ve missed the point even the French government is worried about. That Isis will place genuine terrorists into the camps under the guise of being refugees to gain easy access without the attention a lone returner from those lands would attract. Without this method it would be a challenge for 1 or 2 to come back from Syria unnoticed. Now, who will notice a thousand a amongst the crowds? And do you believe MI6 has a genuine handle on who exactly all these people are? What was the first thing the SAS did with the captives after they were pulled from the embassy? They treated them as if they were all terrorists just in case just one wolf had pretended to be a sheep.
Before anyone jumps to accusations of flights of fancy. Just bare in mind, not 20 miles away from Kent there is a country that has had a very real and sharp increase in ISIS attacks on their soil. Think about it. It’s credible, it’s not conspiracy theory or running away. Only the idiot goes off the present and past and does not hold sway to the future. There’s a bit more at stake than rescuing kids. By the way, when was the last time the government stepped in to rescue refugees and dying kids? There’s thousands of them, I’ve just come back today from Africa, no shortage. Been like that for years. Got worse in fact with Boko Harem. Funny there’s been no headlines there about rescuing them. Why not eh? What’s wrong with them people of England? Thought not. You didn’t read the idea in a bloody paper.
BillyHunt:
The PM was on the news this morning saying exactly that, the problem is that the paranoid conspiracy theorists, some of which haunt this forum, wouldn’t believe what they see as its on the BBC, they refuse to believe anything said by people they don’t like but are happy to take in the most ridiculous stories in dodgy newspapers. I’ve just previewed this & you can see it right there.
The first thing I thought when I saw the story was “great, let’s have some more of that” what exactly did they think would happen when they voluntarily went to a war zone? Any that come back & are caught should be tried for treason & jailed for life, to mean life. I would make this known to everyone in the country, just so there is no gray area.
The thing to remember is that these people were born here, brought up here, educated here & radicalised here. They went over there to kill the very people now trying to get here, why would you think those refugees would want to join them here, to go through all that crap to get here, just to turn around & kill the people taking them in?
Go on then CF, what do I really mean, I cannot wait to see what I’m pro/anti/bs/
Your argument collapses when it’s read on the basis of non recognition of nationality based on the bs idea of jus Soli.Or that loyalty and motivation to fight doesn’t always follow place of birth.
As for you being pro or anti immigration I’m betting that those guarding the gates of Troy thought just like you.
Who is this jus Soli fella CF constantly rants on about ? Sounds Jewish to me, so cant be trusted !
raymundo:
Who is this jus Soli fella CF constantly rants on about ? Sounds Jewish to me, so cant be trusted !
It means if a dog is born in a stable then it’s a horse and Cliff Richard is Indian not ‘British’ and Jewish doesn’t by definition mean Israeli nationality.
Carryfast:
raymundo:
Who is this jus Soli fella CF constantly rants on about ? Sounds Jewish to me, so cant be trusted !
It means if a dog is born in a stable then it’s a horse and Cliff Richard is Indian not ‘British’ and Jewish doesn’t by definition mean Israeli nationality.
And some people think I’ve lost the plot! 
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
raymundo:
Who is this jus Soli fella CF constantly rants on about ? Sounds Jewish to me, so cant be trusted !
It means if a dog is born in a stable then it’s a horse and Cliff Richard is Indian not ‘British’ and Jewish doesn’t by definition mean Israeli nationality.
And some people think I’ve lost the plot!
Being that you obviously can’t/don’t want to understand that nationality based on place of birth means all the above,like all the rest of the pro immigration agenda that uses it as a convenient excuse,you have lost the plot.
Carryfast:
raymundo:
Who is this jus Soli fella CF constantly rants on about ? Sounds Jewish to me, so cant be trusted !
It means if a dog is born in a stable then it’s a horse and Cliff Richard is Indian not ‘British’ and Jewish doesn’t by definition mean Israeli nationality.
Carryfast, Is that your best attempt at displaying that you may have a trace of a sense of humour after all ?
raymundo:
Carryfast:
raymundo:
Who is this jus Soli fella CF constantly rants on about ? Sounds Jewish to me, so cant be trusted !
It means if a dog is born in a stable then it’s a horse and Cliff Richard is Indian not ‘British’ and Jewish doesn’t by definition mean Israeli nationality.
Carryfast, Is that your best attempt at displaying that you may have a trace of a sense of humour after all ?
More like statement of fact that contains the joke of our definition of nationality. 
But I thought we were all infidels? 
Accept some but on the condition of no state benefits/social housing.
You’re fit enough to trek from Syria you’re fit enough to packshelves/fruit pick.
SuperMultiBlue:
Accept some but on the condition of no state benefits/social housing.
You’re fit enough to trek from Syria you’re fit enough to packshelves/fruit pick.
Cheap labour is actually why the Cons want them here. As for Merkel who knows probably jut living up to her previous East German Socialist roots of destroy the west by helping the Arab cause to do it.
SuperMultiBlue:
But I thought we were all infidels?
Accept some but on the condition of no state benefits/social housing.
You’re fit enough to trek from Syria you’re fit enough to packshelves/fruit pick.
that would have to include in work benefits and free NHS health care apart from emergency treatment their NI contributions could help pay healthcare, and after the 5yrs they don’t automatically have any rights to stay ,without a full review, and should they have children whilst here , they would not be regarded as British, they would be here on a temporary basis never a permanent one
But because it’s highly unlikely that any of these things would become law ect, they we don’t take them
Carryfast:
SuperMultiBlue:
Accept some but on the condition of no state benefits/social housing.
You’re fit enough to trek from Syria you’re fit enough to packshelves/fruit pick.
Cheap labour is actually why the Cons want them here. As for Merkel who knows probably jut living up to her previous East German Socialist roots of destroy the west by helping the Arab cause to do it.
Of course, I never thought of that, you do it by taking close to 1 million into your own country, quite clever really.
You don’t have to analyse this, I’m being facetious.
Just a bit of perspective on which countries are taking refugees from Syria. You know, because some people on here seem to think the other Middle East countries aren’t doing anything.
businessinsider.com/the-coun … ees-2014-9
Read an article somewhere very recently by someone who know’s what they are talking about, not an internet article who spouts bollux and don’t know what they’re on about half the time and that the reason for wanting more immigration was their dwindling population and less workers to service the welfare costs in the future etc etc, the figures were there and it made sense to me, but I now sit back and await why it was all pro immigration socialist propaganda/waffle and b/s at the instigation of our masters and their puppets.
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
SuperMultiBlue:
Accept some but on the condition of no state benefits/social housing.
You’re fit enough to trek from Syria you’re fit enough to packshelves/fruit pick.
Cheap labour is actually why the Cons want them here. As for Merkel who knows probably jut living up to her previous East German Socialist roots of destroy the west by helping the Arab cause to do it.
Of course, I never thought of that, you do it by taking close to 1 million into your own country, quite clever really.
You don’t have to analyse this, I’m being facetious.
If you’re referring to my comments regarding Merkel there is no such thing as the nation state in the Socialist doctrine.IE her only ‘country’ is her ideology not lines drawn on a map.An ideology which history shows sees an advantage in strong alliances with the Arab nation as part of the plan to infiltrate and destroy the Western democracies as we ( knew ) them.Partly based on the flawed idea that Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy.You seem to forget that I was also one of her zb lot.
BillyHunt:
Just a bit of perspective on which countries are taking refugees from Syria. You know, because some people on here seem to think the other Middle East countries aren’t doing anything.
businessinsider.com/the-coun … ees-2014-9
Where is Saudi and Kuwait on your list.No surprise that Israel won’t be stupid enough to invite them in bearing in mind what happened the last two times that Syria decided to ‘take refuge’ in Israel using military force and luckily failing both times.