Clarky:
Being involved in low-loader work I would say the reason the second truck is straddling the lane to stop others getting by as the first truck needs room to take the slip road…
As has already been said in above post they did not have an ■■■■■■ vehicle…
Yes , as I said no ■■■■■■ so No2 is rear guarding, the slip to the left on to the A90 single cway and would be tight for the lead, the point that the photo is taken is about 300m from the slip.
farmer:
here it isthe road has changed a little but i belive the trucks in the pictures are just coming up to the junction with the road on the left
Thanks, appreciated.
In that case that confirms my suspicions. The blame here lies 95% with the 2nd low-loader driver of West of Scotland. He has no reason whatsoever to be straddling both lanes as the 1st low-loader is completely within the lane markings (including the load) and the map link clearly slows that the slip road is a shallow curve so there is no requirement for the driver to straddle any other lanes as there are no tight turns or junctions to get round which would require both lanes…
I reckon that if the ■■■■■■■■ driving the 2nd low-loader hadn’t been blocking lane 2 that the Morrisons would have been able to get past them all and get back into lane 1 before the slip and I bet that that was his intention until he was suddenly brought to a halt from having his path blocked. Granted, he shouldn’t have just pulled across into lane 1 like he did but if low-loader no.3 didn’t like it then he should be pointing the blame at his mate in low-loader no.2 for driving like a ■■■■■
It’s funny how things turn out when you’re presented with ALL the evidence isn’t it !
bedgar047:
I cant tell if he was braking or not …wasn’t behind him, but JUST Remember he has double the weight of a normal truck to stop
Thats why they run with a safe gap between
Sorry mate, i’m still not getting it. I genuineley don’t understand what you mean. He’s carrying some sort of metal frame work. Although i don’t know for sure, i’d doubt he’s even 44T never mind double at 88T. Also if there was a safe gap the morrisons driver would of got into it easily.
Mike-C:
bedgar047:
I cant tell if he was braking or not …wasn’t behind him, but JUST Remember he has double the weight of a normal truck to stop
Thats why they run with a safe gap betweenSorry mate, i’m still not getting it. I genuineley don’t understand what you mean. He’s carrying some sort of metal frame work. Although i don’t know for sure, i’d doubt he’s even 44T never mind double at 88T. Also if there was a safe gap the morrisons driver would of got into it easily.
No, look again Mike. The bed of the low-loader is full of ballast blocks.
Darby Flyer:
Am I allowed to say that??
No ! You’re bang out of order giving an opinion on here !!! 
I don’t know why the low loader drivers can’t admit what they were doing.
trying to get an impressive pick of three of their vehicles in convoy.
Why else was the friend stood taking pics?
the morrisons driver was going to spoil their convoy pic so they decided to keep him out, he retaliated., wrong but understandable.
Or maybe he thought that the 2nd low loader was pulling out into the outside lane and was coming in to avoid it .
However you see it, the first fault was the drivers wanting to pose for a pic and expecting other traffic to allow them to do it…
or so it seems to me!!
Rob K:
farmer:
here it isthe road has changed a little but i belive the trucks in the pictures are just coming up to the junction with the road on the left
Thanks, appreciated.
In that case that confirms my suspicions. The blame here lies 95% with the 2nd low-loader driver of West of Scotland. He has no reason whatsoever to be straddling both lanes as the 1st low-loader is completely within the lane markings (including the load) and the map link clearly slows that the slip road is a shallow curve so there is no requirement for the driver to straddle any other lanes as there are no tight turns or junctions to get round which would require both lanes…
I reckon that if the [zb] driving the 2nd low-loader hadn’t been blocking lane 2 that the Morrisons would have been able to get past them all and get back into lane 1 before the slip and I bet that that was his intention until he was suddenly brought to a halt from having his path blocked. Granted, he shouldn’t have just pulled across into lane 1 like he did but if low-loader no.3 didn’t like it then he should be pointing the blame at his mate in low-loader no.2 for driving like a [zb].
It’s funny how things turn out when you’re presented with ALL the evidence isn’t it !
Dont know what planet you come from…but you are talking rubbish, HOW MANY YEARS Experience counts for your comment.
just shows how much respect you have for other drivers if you think you can pass 3 heavy loads in under 300 mtrs safely
The Morrison driver is peed off cos he probably has been trying since the last rounabout at Altens to get passed, but as the 1st load is wide the second isn’t letting anything past as the carrigeway is quite narrow and might still have layby’s on it. the slip road goes to 1 lane.
As a ■■■■■■ driver I experienced 1st hand some of the antics that go on when traffic is approaching wide loads or trying to overtake. You try and slow things down all they do is put a finger up at you, then they go flying round a corner and see a load 5 mtrs wide. I can assure you that its a lot safer in the truck than in a ■■■■■■ Van
del949:
I don’t know why the low loader drivers can’t admit what they were doing.
trying to get an impressive pick of three of their vehicles in convoy.Why else was the friend stood taking pics?
the morrisons driver was going to spoil their convoy pic so they decided to keep him out, he retaliated., wrong but understandable.
Or maybe he thought that the 2nd low loader was pulling out into the outside lane and was coming in to avoid it .
However you see it, the first fault was the drivers wanting to pose for a pic and expecting other traffic to allow them to do it…
or so it seems to me!!
The friend who sent me the pictures has nothing to do with West of Scotland and I do not work for them either…So there was no posing
bedgar047:
Rob K:
farmer:
here it isthe road has changed a little but i belive the trucks in the pictures are just coming up to the junction with the road on the left
Thanks, appreciated.
In that case that confirms my suspicions. The blame here lies 95% with the 2nd low-loader driver of West of Scotland. He has no reason whatsoever to be straddling both lanes as the 1st low-loader is completely within the lane markings (including the load) and the map link clearly slows that the slip road is a shallow curve so there is no requirement for the driver to straddle any other lanes as there are no tight turns or junctions to get round which would require both lanes…
I reckon that if the [zb] driving the 2nd low-loader hadn’t been blocking lane 2 that the Morrisons would have been able to get past them all and get back into lane 1 before the slip and I bet that that was his intention until he was suddenly brought to a halt from having his path blocked. Granted, he shouldn’t have just pulled across into lane 1 like he did but if low-loader no.3 didn’t like it then he should be pointing the blame at his mate in low-loader no.2 for driving like a [zb].
It’s funny how things turn out when you’re presented with ALL the evidence isn’t it !
Dont know what planet you come from…but you are talking rubbish, HOW MANY YEARS Experience counts for your comment.
just shows how much respect you have for other drivers if you think you can pass 3 heavy loads in under 300 mtrs safely
The Morrison driver is peed off cos he probably has been trying since the last rounabout at Altens to get passed, but as the 1st load is wide the second isn’t letting anything past as the carrigeway is quite narrow and might still have layby’s on it. the slip road goes to 1 lane.
As a ■■■■■■ driver I experienced 1st hand some of the antics that go on when traffic is approaching wide loads or trying to overtake. You try and slow things down all they do is put a finger up at you, then they go flying round a corner and see a load 5 mtrs wide. I can assure you that its a lot safer in the truck than in a ■■■■■■ Van
Well there you go - the truth is out now guys. 
If that 1st low-loader is your definition of a WIDE LOAD then you’re on drugs. FFS, the load isn’t even overhanging the trailer by more than 12" either side . Even a 280 excavator would blow that into the weeds in terms of width and yes, I should know, because I’ve driven both step-frame and swan neck low-loaders with up to 45 tonne diggers on the back so I know exactly how wide they are.
I really don’t know why you’re defending the low-loader driver(s) because if he (the 1st one) needs more than 1 lane to get an all-axle steering trailer round a gentle curve then he shouldn’t be allowed behind the wheel . The old 4-axle low-loader I used to pull didn’t even used to steer and you needed an area the size of Kent to get it round a corner - even that wouldn’t require more than 1 lane here .
Just face facts - the driver of no.2 was driving like a ■■■■ and was causing all sorts of unnecessary havoc behind him if he’d just stuck to his lane. There’s no excuse or reasoning for his antics.
i dont know what to make of this picture 
Rob K is kinda swaying me a bit 
Mike-C:
Darby Flyer:
Am I allowed to say that??No ! You’re bang out of order giving an opinion on here !!!
bedgar047:
Rob K:
farmer:
here it isthe road has changed a little but i belive the trucks in the pictures are just coming up to the junction with the road on the left
Thanks, appreciated.
In that case that confirms my suspicions. The blame here lies 95% with the 2nd low-loader driver of West of Scotland. He has no reason whatsoever to be straddling both lanes as the 1st low-loader is completely within the lane markings (including the load) and the map link clearly slows that the slip road is a shallow curve so there is no requirement for the driver to straddle any other lanes as there are no tight turns or junctions to get round which would require both lanes…
I reckon that if the [zb] driving the 2nd low-loader hadn’t been blocking lane 2 that the Morrisons would have been able to get past them all and get back into lane 1 before the slip and I bet that that was his intention until he was suddenly brought to a halt from having his path blocked. Granted, he shouldn’t have just pulled across into lane 1 like he did but if low-loader no.3 didn’t like it then he should be pointing the blame at his mate in low-loader no.2 for driving like a [zb].
It’s funny how things turn out when you’re presented with ALL the evidence isn’t it !
Dont know what planet you come from…but you are talking rubbish, HOW MANY YEARS Experience counts for your comment.
just shows how much respect you have for other drivers if you think you can pass 3 heavy loads in under 300 mtrs safely
The Morrison driver is peed off cos he probably has been trying since the last rounabout at Altens to get passed, but as the 1st load is wide the second isn’t letting anything past as the carrigeway is quite narrow and might still have layby’s on it. the slip road goes to 1 lane.
As a ■■■■■■ driver I experienced 1st hand some of the antics that go on when traffic is approaching wide loads or trying to overtake. You try and slow things down all they do is put a finger up at you, then they go flying round a corner and see a load 5 mtrs wide. I can assure you that its a lot safer in the truck than in a ■■■■■■ Van
And would have succeeded if the driver of No 2 wasn’t driving like a ■■■■.
I have to agree with Rob here, he has asked the questions and got the answers that I was thinking off
My previous opinion still stands…the driver of No 2 was being an arse…and it still wouldn’t surprise me if he was backing off to deliberatly close the gap. Just look at the gap between 1 + 2 and 2 + 3.
Truck 1 + 2 at least 1.5 truck lengths, 2 + 3 less than 1 truck length.
Rob K:
bedgar047:
Rob K:
farmer:
here it isthe road has changed a little but i belive the trucks in the pictures are just coming up to the junction with the road on the left
Thanks, appreciated.
In that case that confirms my suspicions. The blame here lies 95% with the 2nd low-loader driver of West of Scotland. He has no reason whatsoever to be straddling both lanes as the 1st low-loader is completely within the lane markings (including the load) and the map link clearly slows that the slip road is a shallow curve so there is no requirement for the driver to straddle any other lanes as there are no tight turns or junctions to get round which would require both lanes…
I reckon that if the [zb] driving the 2nd low-loader hadn’t been blocking lane 2 that the Morrisons would have been able to get past them all and get back into lane 1 before the slip and I bet that that was his intention until he was suddenly brought to a halt from having his path blocked. Granted, he shouldn’t have just pulled across into lane 1 like he did but if low-loader no.3 didn’t like it then he should be pointing the blame at his mate in low-loader no.2 for driving like a [zb].
It’s funny how things turn out when you’re presented with ALL the evidence isn’t it !
Dont know what planet you come from…but you are talking rubbish, HOW MANY YEARS Experience counts for your comment.
just shows how much respect you have for other drivers if you think you can pass 3 heavy loads in under 300 mtrs safely
The Morrison driver is peed off cos he probably has been trying since the last rounabout at Altens to get passed, but as the 1st load is wide the second isn’t letting anything past as the carrigeway is quite narrow and might still have layby’s on it. the slip road goes to 1 lane.
As a ■■■■■■ driver I experienced 1st hand some of the antics that go on when traffic is approaching wide loads or trying to overtake. You try and slow things down all they do is put a finger up at you, then they go flying round a corner and see a load 5 mtrs wide. I can assure you that its a lot safer in the truck than in a ■■■■■■ VanWell there you go - the truth is out now guys.
If that 1st low-loader is your definition of a WIDE LOAD then you’re on drugs. FFS, the load isn’t even overhanging the trailer by more than 12" either side
I really don’t know why you’re defending the low-loader driver(s) because if he (the 1st one) needs more than 1 lane to get an all-axle steering trailer round a gentle curve then he shouldn’t be allowed behind the wheel
Just face facts - the driver of no.2 was driving like a ■■■■ and was causing all sorts of unnecessary havoc behind him if he’d just stuck to his lane. There’s no excuse or reasoning for his antics.
Only ■■■■ I can see is the Morrison’s driver and you for the comments, go get your eyes tested the crane outriggers are well outside his bed look at the marker boards. The road goes to 1 lane southbound round the slip road and yes the trailer swings slightly.
I have also driven the trailers with only a self rear steer, but have to be locked all the time in winter because of the snow and ice in Norway and know how much room they need these aren’t.
Who cares leave them all to it
bedgar047:
Only ■■■■ I can see is the Morrison’s driver and you for the comments, go get your eyes tested the crane outriggers are well outside his bed look at the marker boards. The road goes to 1 lane southbound round the slip road and yes the trailer swings slightly.
I have also driven the trailers with only a self rear steer, but have to be locked all the time in winter because of the snow and ice in Norway and know how much room they need these aren’t.
You still seem to be evading the question Bedgar, if we can take it the Morrisons driver is wrong, why is the last low loader not easing up and making an allowance for this…i.e he’s choosing the grass verge rather than slow down?
how about this for a theory,
low loader 2 spots david bailey, whilst striking a pose wanders into lane 2 which has the fast approaching morrisons truck potentially doing 20 mph faster, he gets on the brakes but thinks its gonna be tight, so checks mirror and thinks he can squeeze into lane one to avoid hitting the back of the low loader.
other than the people concerned, no one has all the facts unless a video turns up. photographs only tell a small story. everyone who says he didn’t indicate, weather he did or didn’t i don’t know, but you do know how indicators work don’t you? they flash on and off!
stevie
Occam’s razor
3 drivers from the same company, all on the box together, gang up and bully the lone supermarket trolley.
Why would the morrisons driver, probably in a 340 limited to 85k’s and driving on his jack jones, put himself in the situation where he could be set upon by 3 guys?
Why would he deliberately go out of his way to cause trouble? What has he to gain?
Absolutely nothing except a right good kicking.
The WoS #2 is being a complete bawbag and he knows his good buddies will back him up.
It looks like 6 of one and half a dozen of another to me.
Looking at the map my theory is the low loaders are driving pretty slow up to the slip. Morrisons thinks if he guns it he can take all three and still get in front of the first low loader by the time they reach the slip. Matey in the last low loader gets on CB and tells his mate about Morrisons OR low loader 2 is looking in his mirror and see’s what Morrisons is up to and decides to shut the door. So Morrisons then decides that as low loader 2 has shut the door, and low loader 3 isn’t going to let him in, decides to pull over and cut low loader 3 up. If Morrisons is going back to his depot all he will have on is empties and the motor would accelerate pretty quick, so he thinks there is enough time to take all three low loaders.
I think FM12 has also had the same thought and has pulled out to do the same. I wasn’t there and I don’t know the road. But looks like 50/50 to me. 
Andrew Leitch:
Occam’s razor3 drivers from the same company, all on the box together, gang up and bully the lone supermarket trolley.
Why would the morrisons driver, probably in a 340 limited to 85k’s and driving on his jack jones, put himself in the situation where he could be set upon by 3 guys?
Why would he deliberately go out of his way to cause trouble? What has he to gain?
Absolutely nothing except a right good kicking.
The WoS #2 is being a complete bawbag and he knows his good buddies will back him up.
in your world.
my view is after reading all the comments is that the morrisons driver has chanced his luck in a major way. if his exit is coming up and bare in mind he knows that road and junction why is he trying to overtake anyway why not just ease of behind the last low loader and wait a few minutes. i can see the low loaders point of view as i might have done the same… now bare in mind that these lads on the heavies have this everyday of the week people cant wait have no patience trying to squeeze in all the time must overtake attitude and he is proberly ■■■■■■ off with them.
i think the morries driver needs a bloody good bollocking.
It dont matter what happened
The morrissons driver is blaitently cutting up the 3rd convoy vehicle looking at the que of traffic behind them looks like morrisons was just pushing his luck instead of just tailing the last convoy truck and indicating and hoping that the wagon behind will let him in he’s just pushing it at the last moment
all in all theres no need to cut and shut.
I dont know the road and dont know the drivers in the end it dont mater whats gone on its a red mist event if anything the morrisons driver could have been a real pro and let it go and carried on till he could re route to where he needed to be going