Leccy trucks coming thick & fast

Your bad tempered tirade is no substitute for your laughable lack of knowledge.

My first car was a Triumph 2.5pi.
Then progressed to E3 BMW 3.0si together with Granada 2.8i estate used as a commuting and household runabout.The BMW progressed to V12 Jaguar.
The BMW was by far the most expensive to run.Also way more expensive to run than friends who ran American V8 and Brit former 6 cylinder, converted to V8, cars like Crestas and Zodiacs.
The household runabout eventually became a Zafira 1.8 and now a VW 150 Touran.Your point being what.A Tesla EV wonā€™t do the job of the Touran.
The XJ12 isnā€™t off the road because Iā€™d rather replace it with a zb whining Tesla let alone a Chinese piece of electric junk.
Recommission the XJ v buy a Holden VXR8 is/would be a different choice.Obviously now both orphans with no factory parts back up.

Nothing bad tempered about me, sunshine.
Nowhere did I say an electric vehicle could replace a V8, however itā€™s quite possible in your country, if you are not towing.
Why do you need a V8? You donā€™t, as you stated a sub 2 litre Opal/Vauxhall/Holden Zafira was a far more sensible and practical choice.

I actually ā€˜needā€™ the V12 let alone a V8 ā€˜for the job itā€™s intended forā€™ IE long distance European touring from unlimited autobahns to the best alpine passes.
Mercedes and BMW obviously agreed with me both offering V8 and V12 options up to 6 and 7 litre + in the case of Mercedes.
I also like the driving qualities of a nice 6 cylinder engine obviously in view of spending more on the BMW while being laughed at, with some justification, by big V8 owning acquaintances and peers.
By that standard I preferred the 2.8i Granada to the Touran but the Touran is the better more practical all round car in a world of Ā£1.40 per litre fuel prices.
Also it pains me to say it the thing can put up a very respectable show on the autobahn unbelievably so for its size and fuel consumption.
The difference is where I could remove and replace the heads of the Granada at home in a weekend and the all iron lump was bulletproof.Whereas the Touran is just an unrepairable grenade waiting to go off and totally unviable outside of its main dealer warranty and PCP deal.

You donā€™t need it, you want it, big difference.
Thereā€™s nothing wrong with wanting, but you need to know the difference.

With the single exception of the moment you step out of the house on a hard day with the words, ā€˜I need a pint.ā€™ :wink:

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Youā€™ll be happy ( or not ) to know that Iā€™m thinking about a 3.0 litre 6 cylinder plug in hybrid to replace the Touran.Not because I think EVā€™s are superior or cheaper to run than petrol.But because I think electric is probably better for short local journeys around town than the decent ICE.

The idea that ā€˜I need a decent motorā€™ and ā€˜we need to provide itā€™ is what defines the automotive industry starting with the Mercedes Simplex and Rolls Royce Silver Ghost.
Bearing in mind probably no Rolls Royce aero division and no Merlin engine without the latter.
This is all about respect and enthusiasm and choice and preference regarding human endeavour in engineering.
There is no place for the idea of each according to their needs outside of a Trabant and Zastava imposed regime.
Imposition and removal of choice and curtailment of engineering is obviously what the regressive EV thing is all about.

Point 1: If you need a decent motor why look further than a Mini Metro? Unless of course, you want an even better decent motor? In which case get your Jag.

Point 2: no need to tell me what a catastrophe EV imposition is - I already agree with you that the timing and haste is laughable.

Letā€™s go with (or not), because l donā€™t give a ratā€™s arse what you drive, but denial of fact is no defense of poor choice.

You never miss an opportunity to mention the ā€œclimate change scamā€. Weā€™re all aware of your belief in you being the final, authoritive expert on everything, but look around, blind Freddie can see the different weather patterns worldwide.
Iā€™m not for a single second suggesting that ICE vehicles are the cause, but without doubt they are a contributing factor. Exponential population growth and increasing industrialization are the root cause.
To target ICE alone is akin to blaming only air conditioning, artificially cooling inside areas at the expense of equally but conversly heating outside spaces.
Every little bitā€¦
I personally donā€™t see me getting any type of electric vehicle, until Ineed the model that l can drive inside Woolworths.

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Them are the memories pick and mix at woolworths, having heard the name in a long time

Ah, woolies.

No Iā€™m not seeing any supposed different weather patterns.
I do see lies when anyone says that we have too much CO2 in the atmosphere, even if we burnā€™t all of the fossil fuel resources and who says that we need nuke, bio mass and solar fuelled all electric to fix the non existent problem.
If anything the planet has a severe CO2 deficit and with it depletion of vegetation and photosynthesis which provides our Oxygen.Burning trees for fuel and covering green fields in solar panels wonā€™t fix that.
Burning lots of fossil fuels, to prioritise and increase and protect photosynthesis and not turn the place into an irradiated dust bowl, seems logical to me.
Choices indeed.

Ironically the choice between EV v Mercedes Simplex and Napier was there at the dawn in 1904.
Luckily no governments imposed the Baker on customers, but allowed them to make their own choice.Automotive history would have been very different and the horse and cart probably would have lasted longer than it did.

Wow! What a space cadet. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

What? Is this an answer to anything Iā€™ve written? No, it is random crap. Please observe the forum rules on Random Crap.

To complete the trio, I used to wear a Navy version in my Atkinson Mk1 in the '70s. It was good because it kept my knees warm as the gale blew up the holes in the floor.

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Suggest you explain how arctic temperatures said to be high enough to melt sea ice can also bring snow to the Gulf of Mexico.

Get it right, Gulf of America. :rofl:
You donā€™t think thereā€™s something odd about snow there? You donā€™t think thereā€™s something odd about pole ice melting? Both are the definition of the climate change, that you refuse to see.

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Global warming is better described as climate change.
It is not a simple ā€œeverywhere gets to be a degree or two higher every dayā€ situation.
Warmer air holds more water, hence we get heavier rain in places.
Winds speeds have increased too. Not just a half mph overall, but much stronger winds in bursts, so that storms that were once rare but are now common.

Of course the above has been pointed out to CF many times, but he still cannot or refuses to see it.

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Recently a well balanced, but fairly sort, report has appeared on YT. It features a well respected news team looking at both sides of the argument and examining the evidence for man made climate change.
See which side you come down on.

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