adam277:
In the early 1900s electric cars were very popular.
Think they had a top speed of like 20mph and had a range of like 100 miles.
When you think about it. The average distance a car travels in the UK is like 9 miles.
How many truly need a petrol car just to go to the shops or to do the school run.
So many people with BMW X5s on Land rovers on the off chance it gets a bit snowy or a load of leafs blow on the road.
I’ll probably get an electric car when they come but I want a budget one.
I love the idea of the Renault Twizy but with a top speed of 50mph and a range of 50 miles it is just not good enough.
I’d happily buy a Twizy if it could do 60mph and have a real world range of 100 miles though.
You’re basing your choice on the premise of a ‘budget’ micro car to do 9 mile max local runs.Then you’re saying that you want a range of 100 miles and 60 mph max.
What has any of that got to do with the Jaguar brand anyway.Jaguars were never meant as local shopping cars.
Having said that plenty of room helps when collecting materials etc from B and Q.
As it stands the 6.0 Litre V12 Jaguar for long road trips and the 1.8 Zafira runabout are perfect for my needs.I don’t want to be heaving shopping from a skateboard with micro load space and access at almost ground level.Or having to pay for delivery of anything more than 2ft long x 1 ft wide.
The Zafira can also put up a very reasonable show for longer runs if/when required.
I’ll probably replace it with a 4.0 Litre Jeep Grand Cherokee or preferably Land Rover Discovery with a manual box.Not because I want 4 litres or a 4 x 4 but I do want something that’s simple and cheap to fix with enough of room to be comfortable and that isn’t a death trap if/when some idiot drives into it in a big way.
If I then have to convert them to electric they’ll have the win win of plenty of space and weight capacity for the batteries they’ll need to run the 350 hp + electric motor which will be needed to drag it all along the road. 
As for EV’s being popular at the dawn of the motoring age.Nothing could be further from the truth that’s why the internal combustion engine rightly won out very early in the game.
lancpudn:
Volvo & DHL are about to start a pilot scheme. The joint project involves the world’s first use of an all-electric Volvo FH electric semi-trailer with a combined gross weight of up to 60 tonnes. electrive.com/2021/02/24/vo … i-trailer/
That’s not a ‘semi trailer’ ( artic ) that’s exactly what I said an A frame drawbar LHV or standard 60 tonner in Scandinavia.It’s the only logical way that such massive battery weight requirement v load capacity could work.
To quote Carryfast -“As for EV’s being popular at the dawn of the motoring age.Nothing could be further from the truth that’s why the internal combustion engine rightly won out very early in the game”.
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Electric vehicles WERE popular in the early days, simply because the internal combustion engine hadn’t been developed to a state of simplicity and reliability to equal the electric motor at that time. Not that I’m advocating the modern EV in any way mind, I’m a firm believer in the understressed large capacity pushrod V8 and have been since getting my first one in 1974.
fodenway:
Electric vehicles WERE popular in the early days, simply because the internal combustion engine hadn’t been developed to a state of simplicity and reliability to equal the electric motor at that time. Not that I’m advocating the modern EV in any way mind, I’m a firm believer in the understressed large capacity pushrod V8 and have been since getting my first one in 1974.
Even Studebaker realised that there was no future in EV’s during the short production life of its EV’s.If EV’s were the way to go then that’s what Ford would have put in the Model T. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker_Electric
Yep big under stressed pushrod because they can be torn down and put back together over a weekend and their silly prices going through the roof prove it.
( I prefer the straight 6 in the Jeep but no manuals.Unlike the Disco ).You can buy two Diesel Discos for the price of a manual V8.
Pushrod V8 manual Range Rover don’t even go there.Can buy three or four BMW engined versions for the price of an older Rover V8 powered version. 
People are voting with their wallets and EV’s will be a depreciation nightmare for their buyers far worse than petrol or diesel OHC junk.
Jaguar seeking partner to build EV’s now, The EV skateboard platform the Jaguar i-pace EV is built on is very expensive to build hence the price tag of those cars. They’re going to be left with lots of stranded assets in their factory. todaynewspost.com/auto-news/jlr … -platform/
They’re also going to shed a quarter of their production capacity over the next five years too. 
lancpudn:
Jaguar seeking partner to build EV’s now, The EV skateboard platform the Jaguar i-pace EV is built on is very expensive to build hence the price tag of those cars. They’re going to be left with lots of stranded assets in their factory. todaynewspost.com/auto-news/jlr … -platform/
They’re also going to shed a quarter of their production capacity over the next five years too.
Translates as let’s produce the cheapest possible EV platform that we’ll try to sell at a Jaguar name ICE price and hope that the customers will buy it for the badge.
Might as well buy a mobility scooter and stick a Jaguar badge on it. 
As usual a great British marque bought up by foreign interests with the aim of winding it down and putting it out of the frame at best to stick the badge on something cheap and nasty for a short term profit.
Hydrogen fuelled ICE is clearly the way to go for such brands but that obviously isn’t as profitable.
For me a Jaguar eletric wouldnt be worth having.
The things that made the jag stand out to me was the engines.
Without it, just another luxury electric car.
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
Jaguar seeking partner to build EV’s now, The EV skateboard platform the Jaguar i-pace EV is built on is very expensive to build hence the price tag of those cars. They’re going to be left with lots of stranded assets in their factory. todaynewspost.com/auto-news/jlr … -platform/
They’re also going to shed a quarter of their production capacity over the next five years too.
Translates as let’s produce the cheapest possible EV platform that we’ll try to sell at a Jaguar name ICE price and hope that the customers will buy it for the badge.
Might as well buy a mobility scooter and stick a Jaguar badge on it.
As usual a great British marque bought up by foreign interests with the aim of winding it down and putting it out of the frame at best to stick the badge on something cheap and nasty for a short term profit.
Hydrogen fuelled ICE is clearly the way to go for such brands but that obviously isn’t as profitable.
They’ve got to do something because their current re-inflated bubble has burst, so has the other Tata brand, LandRover, seen the latest JDPower survey as shown in John Cadogan’s video?
youtube.com/watch?v=O2HmLksE1FY
There was a time when Jag’s Castle Brom compound was filled with transporters loading cars, anyone been passed on the M6 S/B elevated section and looked down in recent times might well wonder if the place had shut down.
A cynic might be forgiven for thinking how much Castle Brom and Solihull would be worth for land alone, Solihull in particular ideal for B’ham airport expansion assuming the airline industry doesn’t revert to serving only those allocated a Zil lane in due course.
adam277:
For me a Jaguar eletric wouldnt be worth having.
The things that made the jag stand out to me was the engines.
Without it, just another luxury electric car.
Same here. To me, the words “diesel” and “Jaguar” shouldn’t be in the same sentence either. Likewise “SUV” or “estate”. It’s just not in keeping with the traditional image of the name. But unfortunately, whether we like it or not, companies have to evolve to survive, and the ones who stay ahead of the trend stand a better chance of doing so. It doesn’t seem right that a lot of the parts in a new Jaguar (or any other brand) are shared with several other makes, but I suppose that’s the way to reduce the development and manufacturing cost of ever-more complex vehicles.
fodenway:
adam277:
For me a Jaguar eletric wouldnt be worth having.
The things that made the jag stand out to me was the engines.
Without it, just another luxury electric car.
Same here. To me, the words “diesel” and “Jaguar” shouldn’t be in the same sentence either. Likewise “SUV” or “estate”. It’s just not in keeping with the traditional image of the name. But unfortunately, whether we like it or not, companies have to evolve to survive, and the ones who stay ahead of the trend stand a better chance of doing so. It doesn’t seem right that a lot of the parts in a new Jaguar (or any other brand) are shared with several other makes, but I suppose that’s the way to reduce the development and manufacturing cost of ever-more complex vehicles.
Dunno a nice Mk9 Jag with a Gardner Diesel engine floats my boat.
Juddian:
There was a time when Jag’s Castle Brom compound was filled with transporters loading cars, anyone been passed on the M6 S/B elevated section and looked down in recent times might well wonder if the place had shut down.
Ironically that was the time before the ‘experts’ said that Jaguar needs to move away from elegant three box styled 6 cylinder and V12 powered saloons.
fodenway:
adam277:
For me a Jaguar eletric wouldnt be worth having.
The things that made the jag stand out to me was the engines.
Without it, just another luxury electric car.
Same here. To me, the words “diesel” and “Jaguar” shouldn’t be in the same sentence either. Likewise “SUV” or “estate”. It’s just not in keeping with the traditional image of the name. But unfortunately, whether we like it or not, companies have to evolve to survive, and the ones who stay ahead of the trend stand a better chance of doing so. It doesn’t seem right that a lot of the parts in a new Jaguar (or any other brand) are shared with several other makes, but I suppose that’s the way to reduce the development and manufacturing cost of ever-more complex vehicles.
But surely the definition of a ‘premium brand’ is that the customer is prepared to pay for the extra cost.No one can be under any illusions that what we’ve seen is a rush for short term profit at the expense of the product and the customer milking the badge for all it’s worth.
People bought Jags precisely because they didn’t want a gimmick loaded Citroen or a Eurobox jelly mould Ford.
They wanted the continuation of three box styled straight 6 and 12 cylinder designs.Just like BMW continued to offer them.No reason why Jaguar can’t go back to that now using hydrogen fuelled ICE technology.
adam277:
The things that made the jag stand out to me was the engines.
To be fair plenty of Jaguar enthusiasts have cursed that twin over head cam or OHC V12 layout at tear down and rebuild time.Removing and replacing camshafts just to set valve clearances and timing chain runs like spahetti for example.All for engines which never need to run over 5,500 - 6,000 rpm when pushrods are good for 7000 rpm +.
Wheel Nut:
Dunno a nice Mk9 Jag with a Gardner Diesel engine floats my boat.
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Yep let’s ditch the more powerful 6 cylinder petrol and replace it with a gutless, 4 cylinder diesel.At least the firm itself didn’t try to go one better by putting a Studebaker EV motor in it and half a tonne of batteries.
Another car manufacturer joining the BEV only club. Volvo has just announced that it will be an electric only brand by 2030. todaynewspost.com/auto-news/vol … d-by-2030/
lancpudn:
Be careful how you jack up a Jaguar i-pace to change a tyre, It’s going to be spendy to repair the damage if you put the jack in the wrong place. insideevs.com/news/491369/damag … pair-cost/
Reading the article it seems this scenario has happened a few times on different makes of electric car, possibly need to specify run flat tyres so the car could be limped to a workshop with the right equipment to lift the car without damage.
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Dunno why anyone would buy a Jaguar I pace.
The Tesla is just far more superior in every way.
The last two paragraphs are interesting. Will insurance companies and Thatcham be talking to manufacturers?
adam277:
Dunno why anyone would buy a Jaguar I pace.
The Tesla is just far more superior in every way.
Except looks. Tesla are so mind numbingly boring to look at, and inside with that giant touchscreen in middle is a bit ridiculous
Polestar for me
See if this time the giant open goal I’ve given a certain someone is used
