Juddian:
Adam i applaud your thinking there, however i suspect you are in a minority among your peers.
Keeping older cars going is easy for old buggers like me, generally my generation started out with knackered old banger often bought with something majorly wrong, and we spent hours trawling scrap yards for parts and dismantled and rebuilt our cars, as the years went by that mechanical know how helped us keep older cars bought cheaply to be as reliable and useful as anything leaving a new car showroom.
Not many in your age group, unless something to do with the car or mechanical trades themselves, even lift the bonnet to do normal level checks, simply put they don’t have the skills or the time served bloody mindedness to do whats necessary to keep older cars going, 99% of which involves regular in depth underbody and mechanical maintenance, for goodness sake half the punters out there arn’t capable of washing the paintwork down themselves or changing a bulb.
I’m a minority among my own peers if it comes to it, you wouldn’t believe the driver’s car park where i work, expensive top range new and nearly new metal the majority many on private plates, not many of us run older cars and fewer still maintain our own, even fewer still know anything about extending the life of the body chassis or mechanics of the car even if they could be bothered to, maybe they think the good times and cheap credit will last forever, some of us have been around long enough to know different.
To be fair modern motors can’t be maintained by going to the local factors for good quality Brit made after market components and still get change from 50 quid and electrical faults fixed with an AVO meter and some new wiring, crimping tool and bullet connectors.
There are ECU’s controlling other ECU’s and sensors and wiring needing dedicated dealer diagnostics a fault or a short with one part can blow up all the rest.
Multi valve variable overhead cam etc etc.
Which probably explains why surviving pushrod motors are worth more than a few years old modern.
But with the EV scam all bets are off.It’s in their interests to sabotage all further conventional car use options.In fact it’s doubtful if they could make it stick ‘unless’ they do so.
switchlogic:
Juddian:
The great reset eh, millions of plebs, believers in the west’s version of Pravda (almost all of the mainstream media) are convinced a Utopia is waiting at the end of this tunnel, 2030.
Only in your head. Meanwhile here in the real world no one believes we are heading to a utopia, ever, let alone in 9 years. 
I really do wonder what is going on in some of the heads who post here. They seem to live in a world of plots and constant all-consuming threat. To quote Trump, who they seem to revere, “Sad”.
Dipster:
switchlogic:
Juddian:
The great reset eh, millions of plebs, believers in the west’s version of Pravda (almost all of the mainstream media) are convinced a Utopia is waiting at the end of this tunnel, 2030.
Only in your head. Meanwhile here in the real world no one believes we are heading to a utopia, ever, let alone in 9 years.
I really do wonder what is going on in some of the heads who post here. They seem to live in a world of plots and constant all-consuming threat. To quote Trump, who they seem to revere, “Sad”.
And they shout the likes of us who don’t believe it down, calling us sheep, stupid 
They just can’t grasp the concept that it is possible to have thought about things as much as they have, more often, and come to different conclusions. They claim others try to shut them down but they are often the ones who can’t cope with being disagreed with.
My view? I get why some think what they do. Many WANT to, as it makes them feel like some sort of political dissident like Alexei Navalny rather than a balding overweight middle aged lorry driver furiously typing on a forum. But fact is, I THINK*, all the theories posted here at least simply drastically over exaggerate human beings capability. They come up with some elaborate stories involving such an enormous web of people, lying, that I just don’t think it’s possible. I think the world is basically as we see it. Lots of secrets and behind the scenes stuff of course , that’s natural, but all powerful overlords keeping us down? Nah, it’s a bit silly.
And if it were all true. If the world was controlled and engineered by an all powerful all knowing elite? Yeah, ignorance is bliss. You can cry about it from now till your dying day but won’t have any effect. So frankly, in the remote chance it’s true, me, my family, my friends will live in happy ignorance.
*This is key to EVERYTHING! I think, I don’t know, none of us do really. And to add before Juddian or Carryfast shout me down- I have read and engaged extensively with all the conspiracies. I don’t believe you can voice a sensible opinion till you’ve educated yourself on all sides. So sick that in your pipe and smoke it
switchlogic:
Dipster:
switchlogic:
Juddian:
The great reset eh, millions of plebs, believers in the west’s version of Pravda (almost all of the mainstream media) are convinced a Utopia is waiting at the end of this tunnel, 2030.
Only in your head. Meanwhile here in the real world no one believes we are heading to a utopia, ever, let alone in 9 years.
I really do wonder what is going on in some of the heads who post here. They seem to live in a world of plots and constant all-consuming threat. To quote Trump, who they seem to revere, “Sad”.
And they shout the likes of us who don’t believe it down, calling us sheep, stupid They just can’t grasp the concept that it is possible to have thought about things as much as they have, more often, and come to different conclusions. They claim others try to shut them down but they are often the ones who can’t cope with being disagreed with.
My view? I get why some think what they do. Many WANT to, as it makes them feel like some sort of political dissident like Alexei Navalny rather than a balding overweight middle aged lorry driver furiously typing on a forum. But fact is, I THINK*, all the theories posted here at least simply drastically over exaggerate human beings capability. They come up with some elaborate stories involving such an enormous web of people, lying, that I just don’t think it’s possible. I think the world is basically as we see it. Lots of secrets and behind the scenes stuff of course , that’s natural, but all powerful overlords keeping us down? Nah, it’s a bit silly.
And if it were all true. If the world was controlled and engineered by an all powerful all knowing elite? Yeah, ignorance is bliss. You can cry about it from now till your dying day but won’t have any effect. So frankly, in the remote chance it’s true, me, my family, my friends will live in happy ignorance.
*This is key to EVERYTHING! I think, I don’t know, none of us do really. And to add before Juddian or Carryfast shout me down- I have read and engaged extensively with all the conspiracies. I don’t believe you can voice a sensible opinion till you’ve educated yourself on all sides. So sick that in your pipe and smoke it
Полезный идиот.
Claiming to have all the answers by ignoring the questions.
The much questionable presentation of the Tesla tractor unit, which has been universally outed as complete fakery, should throw into question that the brave new future does not include commercial vehicles on the scale that supports modern life as we know it today, yet you still see no flaws in this proposed technology.
The green new deal is a lie, because , thermodynamics and the law of entropy.
AndieHyde:
yet you still see no flaws in this proposed technology.
Where did I say that exactly?
Dipster:
I really do wonder what is going on in some of the heads who post here. They seem to live in a world of plots and constant all-consuming threat. To quote Trump, who they seem to revere, “Sad”.
You obviously have issues with anyone who refuses to go along with the idea of an expensive unaffordable nuke and bio mass fuelled nightmare for us so that Communists can take all the fossil fuel.
As opposed to Zhao Bai Deng the unelected Vichy dictator of the United States Province of China.
Now why would that be.
The people will all want an Electric Scania
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To be honest we have yet to see honest figures when it comes to electric HGVs and how much the batteries impact the payload.
250 kilometres can be achieved on a single charge with a 65 minutes recharge time.
Im sure it will improve though.
I think the biggest issue with the weights will be in the smaller trucks.
If I remember right when I did parcels. The 7.5t trucks only had a payload of like 2.5t max.
The 18t had like 10ton.
Depending how much the batteries weigh it could be quite a significant issue.
AndieHyde:
The much questionable presentation of the Tesla tractor unit, which has been universally outed as complete fakery, should throw into question that the brave new future does not include commercial vehicles on the scale that supports modern life as we know it today, yet you still see no flaws in this proposed technology.
The green new deal is a lie, because , thermodynamics and the law of entropy.
Yep questions like what’s the payload minus weight of the batteries and range.
How much does it cost to fuel it at real terms electric prices + road fuel tax.
How much do the batteries cost.What’s their life expectancy.
What’s the depreciation figure.
All that has to be accurately provided before any operator can think about putting it to work.
They know that they can’t meet the required figures v diesel fuelled ICE.
adam277:
To be honest we have yet to see honest figures when it comes to electric HGVs and how much the batteries impact the payload.
250 kilometres can be achieved on a single charge with a 65 minutes recharge time.
Im sure it will improve though.
I think the biggest issue with the weights will be in the smaller trucks.
If I remember right when I did parcels. The 7.5t trucks only had a payload of like 2.5t max.
The 18t had like 10ton.
Depending how much the batteries weigh it could be quite a significant issue.
Real world range figures won’t get close to the advertised figures.
250 kms = around 1000 kwh at 8 mpg for diesel we’ll let em have their supposed 25% fuel efficiency advantage over ICE so call it 750 kwh.
At best battery weights are around 200 kgs per 50 kwh or almost as much energy as contained in 4.5 litres/1 gallon of diesel.
At a real terms cost of 16p per kwh + road fuel tax + 20% VAT to charge it.
If you can’t afford to heat the house at 20p per kwh how will anyone afford to run a car or a truck with road fuel duty and 15% more VAT added to that figure and to the duty.
adam277:
To be honest we have yet to see honest figures when it comes to electric HGVs and how much the batteries impact the payload.
250 kilometres can be achieved on a single charge with a 65 minutes recharge time.
Im sure it will improve though.
I think the biggest issue with the weights will be in the smaller trucks.
If I remember right when I did parcels. The 7.5t trucks only had a payload of like 2.5t max.
The 18t had like 10ton.
Depending how much the batteries weigh it could be quite a significant issue.
There is talk of electric trucks having a higher weight limit to compensate
switchlogic:
There is talk of electric trucks having a higher weight limit to compensate
How ‘high’ at 200 kgs per 50 kwh which is less energy than 1 gallon of diesel contains.That’s more than 2t of batteries for just 120 miles range.
Look on the bright side.A frame drawbar LHV’s make even more sense under that regime because the prime mover has the load space and weight capacity for plenty of batteries without the trailer adding any load to its design gross and axle weights in addition.
adam277:
After success of longer trailers trial, UK Government to trial trucks with 48 ton weight limit | trans.info
4t of batteries still only provides less than 250 miles of battery capacity.
While that extra weight is obviously spread across the whole outfit not all on the unit which the batteries will have to be.A 48t artic won’t cut it with all of the battery carrying capacity placed on the unit.
It will take a decent 6 or 8 wheeler rigid pulling a 13.6 m tri axle to make it remotely viable.
Which then leaves battery costs at £70 per kwh and charging costs at 16p per kwh + duty + 20% VAT.
The whole idea is a ■■■■ take for cars let alone trucks.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
There is talk of electric trucks having a higher weight limit to compensate
How ‘high’ at 200 kgs per 50 kwh which is less energy than 1 gallon of diesel contains.That’s more than 2t of batteries for just 120 miles range.
Look on the bright side.A frame drawbar LHV’s make even more sense under that regime because the prime mover has the load space and weight capacity for plenty of batteries without the trailer adding any load to its design gross and axle weights in addition.
Who knows. You tell me since you’re the self professed expert at every last subject imaginable.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
There is talk of electric trucks having a higher weight limit to compensate
How ‘high’ at 200 kgs per 50 kwh which is less energy than 1 gallon of diesel contains.That’s more than 2t of batteries for just 120 miles range.
Look on the bright side.A frame drawbar LHV’s make even more sense under that regime because the prime mover has the load space and weight capacity for plenty of batteries without the trailer adding any load to its design gross and axle weights in addition.
Who knows. You tell me since you’re the self professed expert at every last subject imaginable.
You’re the one who’s advocating this bs technology not me.
I’ve given you a figure 200 kgs of Batteries per 50kwh which is less than the energy content of 1 gallon of diesel.
That’ll be 2t of batteries to provide around 100 , make it 125 for electric to be generous, miles range provided by 10 gallons of diesel.
So tell us why haven’t truck makers decided to reduce max weight truck fuel tanks to 10 gallons capacity to save weight and space.
Call it 40 gallons range that’s 8t of batteries needed to be carried by the unit/prime mover.
Good luck with finding space, let alone design weight capacity, for that on a tractor unit chassis.
Carryfast:
adam277:
After success of longer trailers trial, UK Government to trial trucks with 48 ton weight limit | trans.info
4t of batteries still only provides less than 250 miles of battery capacity.
While that extra weight is obviously spread across the whole outfit not all on the unit which the batteries will have to be.A 48t artic won’t cut it with all of the battery carrying capacity placed on the unit.
It will take a decent 6 or 8 wheeler rigid pulling a 13.6 m tri axle to make it remotely viable.
Which then leaves battery costs at £70 per kwh and charging costs at 16p per kwh + duty + 20% VAT.
The whole idea is a ■■■■ take for cars let alone trucks.
Is there any good reason why batteries must be carried only on the prime mover and not on a trailer? Indeed why shouldn’t a trailer be motorised? Using degenerative braking on a trailer’s motor/brake is good for safety.
From an electric milk trolley to a full sized double decker in reverse.
I imagine we shall not have to worry about battery life and size, and will simply lease them like tyres.
In the early 1900s electric cars were very popular.
Think they had a top speed of like 20mph and had a range of like 100 miles.
When you think about it. The average distance a car travels in the UK is like 9 miles.
How many truly need a petrol car just to go to the shops or to do the school run.
So many people with BMW X5s on Land rovers on the off chance it gets a bit snowy or a load of leafs blow on the road.
I’ll probably get an electric car when they come but I want a budget one.
I love the idea of the Renault Twizy but with a top speed of 50mph and a range of 50 miles it is just not good enough.
I’d happily buy a Twizy if it could do 60mph and have a real world range of 100 miles though.
Volvo & DHL are about to start a pilot scheme. The joint project involves the world’s first use of an all-electric Volvo FH electric semi-trailer with a combined gross weight of up to 60 tonnes. electrive.com/2021/02/24/vo … i-trailer/
