No they won’t, they show that they are expired, but they will remain on there. FACT!
Rob K:
Sorry but you are wrong and the above is perhaps one of the biggest urban myths on the internet. Points will be removed from your licence after 3 years if you send your licence in.
I suggest you take a look at the infomation provided at the following link as it is definitely not a myth;
OOH…That’s gotta hurt!
MrSumo:
I don"t know if this is going to be much help my friend , but from experience , and believe i have it , 2 things spring to mind …Don"t bother with a Solicitor , they , imho , tend to make things worse in Court and there bloody expensive !
From personnal experience i have ALWAYS found it better to go on your own and plead your own defence . My personnal example being as follows :
1995 get i got caught exceeeding 100mph in my car on the M25 at 4am in the morning . No contest , bang to rights . Go to Court . At the time i already had 6 points ( all speeding
) , and was looking at a minimum 6 month ban . I pleaded my case of needing my licence for my job etc etc , time of day the offence was commited , hardship etc etc…yes i got a ban , but only for 10 days . My employer at the time booked me off on " holiday " for 2 weeks
My appointed Court Solicitor said i should just plead guilty and keep my mouth shut . If i had took his advice i would probably got 6 months !
Take all your paperwork to Court with you , show them that it was a genuine mistake and ask the Bench for leniency…oh , and with all due respect , don"t be afraid to kiss ■■■ to the Bench in Court , the more " Sir / ma"m " comments you throw in the mix the more it looks/sounds like you are genuinly worried for the consequences etc …
These are all my views mate…Good Luck my friend
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Wise words. By representing yourself you’ll be saving yourself a huge outlay, which to be blunt, if it all goes pear shaped you’ll not really be able to afford. Representing yourself, unless you turn up in court with a back to front baseball cap with a Mastiff on a string cannot possibly have a worse outcome than paying a solicitor to represent you. Another poster has said that Magistrates themselves are Mothers/Fathers and as such have an inherent suspicion of the legal profession.
Much better to appear in court in a smart suit with a carefully prepared and written out statement of mitigating circumstances at the ready. If you repeatedly stress that you personally are only guilty of not reading your sons insurance small print and throw plenty of “not guilty’s” into the speech, the Magistrate will subconsciously be repeating that phrase in his/her mind whilst listening to you.
Works for Derren Brown! Good luck anyway.
Bare in mind that just pleading you’ll use your job is not generally considered sufficient hardship…the whole point of losing your license is to teach you not to do it again. Although it seems harsh in this instance, they generally are…
Mitigation is better done by letter to the court and has to be relevant. Standing up in court and making a lot of excuses won’t work. You could be considered to be pleading not guilty if you waffle too much…and that is pointless when you clearly are guilty…
Truckulent:
Bare in mind that just pleading you’ll use your job is not generally considered sufficient hardship…the whole point of losing your license is to teach you not to do it again. Although it seems harsh in this instance, they generally are…Mitigation is better done by letter to the court and has to be relevant. Standing up in court and making a lot of excuses won’t work. You could be considered to be pleading not guilty if you waffle too much…and that is pointless when you clearly are guilty…
Sorry mate, but IMHO I think you’re a little off beam here…
A professional driver or somebody who can show that they truly need their licence can cite hardship at the penalty stage of the hearing.
Whether the court accepts this in a particular case can be another matter though.
Mitigation has a far better value when done in person.
A letter (unless it’s very well set out) tends to suggest that the writer can’t be bothered to turn up.
Waffling loads of mitigation after pleading guilty does NOT change the plea, although I do agree that too much waffling can have an adverse effect on the outcome if it’s irrelevant waffling.
There is a world of difference between making an excuse and giving a reason. A court understands the difference.
There is no excuse for having no insurance, but there might be a very good reason for it.
A court will listen to the reason that something did/didn’t happen, but they’ll defo not be happy with a bunch of excuses.
sundial:
I am not interested in dodgy licences. i made a mistake by allowing my son who is 24 to drive my car thinking that as he has a fully comp pilicy on his own car he would be able to drive mine on a third party basis. only after the caution did we notice on his Tescos policy it stated over 25 only for third party ins. i dont want to make it worse by doing anything worse. no other vehicles were involved just a routine stop.
■■■■■■■ hell, how unlucky are you two? Just stopped you out of the blue, for no reason.
I’d offer to bend over and take it up the arse saying an IN endorsement will affect your job prospects in an already competitive market, could make it difficult to find work and support your Family, maybe a big(ish) fine instead.
Slimeyphil, you crack me up, still being a troll, give it a rest ffs.
sundial wrote:
i made a mistake by allowing my son who is 24 to drive my car thinking that as he has a fully comp pilicy on his own car he would be able to drive mine on a third party basis. only after the caution did we notice on his Tescos policy it stated over 25 only for third party ins. i don’t want to make it worse by doing anything worse. no other vehicles were involved just a routine stop.
I still don’t get why your been charged what did your son get? surly you took reasonable steps to check he was covered ie he told you he was fully comp. and as mrsumo said write a statement explaining the situation as well as speaking the magistrate you might get off with a warning or just a fine as your a HGV driver and its your Job and will effect not only your job but your family and your home.
What a waste of tax payers money the police charging you for that if it was a point blank disregard for the law your not insured on anything well hell drive it anyway then I could understand
GBPub:
Rob K:
Sorry but you are wrong and the above is perhaps one of the biggest urban myths on the internet. Points will be removed from your licence after 3 years if you send your licence in.I suggest you take a look at the infomation provided at the following link as it is definitely not a myth;
wow saves me typing it. well a few on here will still say it’s wrong
GBPub:
Rob K:
Sorry but you are wrong and the above is perhaps one of the biggest urban myths on the internet. Points will be removed from your licence after 3 years if you send your licence in.I suggest you take a look at the infomation provided at the following link as it is definitely not a myth;
Explain to me then how an SP30 from July 2009 was no longer showing on my new licence in September last year after sending it in for an address change? Maybe a mistake by DVLA you might say, but if that’s the case then they’ve made the same “mistake” on 3 prior occasions dating back to 1997 as well because each time they have removed the points between the 3-4 year period.
I remember when that link was posted on a Vauxhall owner’s forum some time ago there were similar arguments along with anecdotal evidence from others that had also experienced the same as myself. ‘Official’ the link may be but I’ll stick with my own personal experience thanks.
MrSumo:
I don"t know if this is going to be much help my friend , but from experience , and believe i have it , 2 things spring to mind …Don"t bother with a Solicitor , they , imho , tend to make things worse in Court and there bloody expensive !
From personnal experience i have ALWAYS found it better to go on your own and plead your own defence . My personnal example being as follows :
1995 get i got caught exceeeding 100mph in my car on the M25 at 4am in the morning . No contest , bang to rights . Go to Court . At the time i already had 6 points ( all speeding
My appointed Court Solicitor said i should just plead guilty and keep my mouth shut . If i had took his advice i would probably got 6 months !
Take all your paperwork to Court with you , show them that it was a genuine mistake and ask the Bench for leniency…oh , and with all due respect , don"t be afraid to kiss ■■■ to the Bench in Court , the more " Sir / ma"m " comments you throw in the mix the more it looks/sounds like you are genuinly worried for the consequences etc …
These are all my views mate…Good Luck my friend
If I were a magistrate, and someone with previous for the very same offence turn up before me with that old ■■■■■■■■, they’d be getting clonked around the head with the “Bumper book of law” in short order. 
Lack of remorse, Didn’t learn anything from previous endorsements for the same offence, etc etc. Asking the court to “be lenient because it would be jolly inconvienient if you were not” is likely to have those on the bench half out of their seat with book catapults before you had chance to shuffle your papers! 
We had a driver get pulled by plod and test 35microgrammes for alcohol with their breathalyzer. Right on the borderline. This would have got a normal driver let off, as they’d get the benefit of the doubt. Then they saw on his licence that he was a pro driver however, and he ended up getting a one year ban instead…
And no, the employer wasn’t prepared to give the guy a year off on holiday either. Ended up on a desk job instead. 
It’s 4 years this March since i got 3 points (SP30)
There off my license and is now clean but there still on the counter part until 4 years have gone
Thanks everyone for the advice. its a great help.
Take all your paperwork to Court with you , show them that it was a genuine mistake and ask the Bench for leniency…oh , and with all due respect , don"t be afraid to kiss ■■■ to the Bench in Court , the more " Sir / ma"m " comments you throw in the mix the more it looks/sounds like you are genuinly worried for the consequences etc …
These are all my views mate…
Good Luck my friend 
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My thoughts exactly. Why would a Dad knowingly put his own son in jeopardy?
The answer is of course, he wouldn’t.
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Keep digging…You’re still wrong!
Winseer:
MrSumo:
I don"t know if this is going to be much help my friend , but from experience , and believe i have it , 2 things spring to mind …Don"t bother with a Solicitor , they , imho , tend to make things worse in Court and there bloody expensive !
From personnal experience i have ALWAYS found it better to go on your own and plead your own defence . My personnal example being as follows :
1995 get i got caught exceeeding 100mph in my car on the M25 at 4am in the morning . No contest , bang to rights . Go to Court . At the time i already had 6 points ( all speeding
My appointed Court Solicitor said i should just plead guilty and keep my mouth shut . If i had took his advice i would probably got 6 months !
Take all your paperwork to Court with you , show them that it was a genuine mistake and ask the Bench for leniency…oh , and with all due respect , don"t be afraid to kiss ■■■ to the Bench in Court , the more " Sir / ma"m " comments you throw in the mix the more it looks/sounds like you are genuinly worried for the consequences etc …
These are all my views mate…Good Luck my friend
If I were a magistrate, and someone with previous for the very same offence turn up before me with that old ■■■■■■■■, they’d be getting clonked around the head with the “Bumper book of law” in short order.
We had a driver get pulled by plod and test 35microgrammes for alcohol with their breathalyzer. Right on the borderline. This would have got a normal driver let off, as they’d get the benefit of the doubt. Then they saw on his licence that he was a pro driver however, and he ended up getting a one year ban instead…
And no, the employer wasn’t prepared to give the guy a year off on holiday either. Ended up on a desk job instead.
Its OK to judge me on my post Winseer , " previous for the same offence " , " didn"t learn from the prevoius offence " etc etc…but did it cross your mind that maybe the previous offences may well have been 3/4 years earlier and still showing on my licence ? Or that i may have been unlucky and got caught before doing 32 in a 30 or such like ? I guess not
And as for the " holiday " . i was caught driving to his yard , to drive his truck after one of his BETTER drivers failed to turn in , so maybe he just felt he"d do me a favour as i had/was doing him one 
Anyway , dont matter now , its all in the past 
I had to go to court last April after an accident the previous November whereby I came over the brow of a hill on a National Speed Limit road and collided with a broken down vehicle parked in lane 1. I was summonsed for Careless Driving.
I contacted my union and they arranged for a solicitor to represent me free of charge as my licence was at risk.
On the solicitors advice I pleaded Guilty at the first opportunity, and the solicitor did a fantastic job of representing mitigation.
Because of the mitigation the Magistrates were minded to fine £130 plus 6 penalty points rather than a ban, HOWEVER, as I pleaded guilty at the first chance they had to reduce the penalty by 1/3, so I was fined £90 and given 4 penalty points.
Im still ■■■■■■ off that I was prosecuted as, short of driving at 30 mph on a NSL dual carriageway, i couldnt have avoided an idiot that, instead of pulling into a layby, overshot and dumped his motor in a live lane, BUT given I was prosecuted I reckon the outcome was palateable.
limeyphil:
When i go to court i’m usually trying to get off with something.
I’ve not been to court since I was 17 years old. Law breaking “going straight through hurdles” doesn’t appear to be working too well for you and I reckon you’re too stupid to work out it costs you more in solicitors, time off work and fines than the extra few quid you think you’re making by trying to be an Arthur Daley.
To the OP: You need to make a strong case of how the points and an IN code will prevent you getting employment AND CAUSE SEVERE FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY FOR YOUR FAMILY. Not for you, for your family. When deciding sentencing, the magistrate has to take into account collateral damage and if you can’t work because of such an offence code and this could result in your family losing their home etc that will be taken into account. They won’t care about any personal hardship to you but as I said, they have to take into account the impact on your wife and kids if they’re under 18.
Its OK to judge me on my post Winseer , " previous for the same offence " , " didn"t learn from the prevoius offence " etc etc…but did it cross your mind that maybe the previous offences may well have been 3/4 years earlier and still showing on my licence ? Or that i may have been unlucky and got caught before doing 32 in a 30 or such like ? I guess not
And as for the " holiday " . i was caught driving to his yard , to drive his truck after one of his BETTER drivers failed to turn in , so maybe he just felt he"d do me a favour as i had/was doing him one
Anyway , dont matter now , its all in the past
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Good job I’m not a magistrate I guess. Not because of any bad judgement, but because there just ain’t enough justice infrastructure to deal with the dispensing of the law as I would have had it. You’d have to be damned unlucky indeed to have been endorsed for speeding 3 times all for being “just over the limit” in the recent past. Napoleon didn’t want ‘Rich’ Generals or ‘well-connected’ generals - he just wanted ‘Lucky’ ones.
Has the driver and Churchill Insurance been hard done by in this case too?
(I agree with the huge payout and 100% blameworthiness put upon the driver, or rather their insurer.)
Rob K:
Explain to me then how an SP30 from July 2009 was no longer showing on my new licence in September last year after sending it in for an address change? Maybe a mistake by DVLA you might say, but if that’s the case then they’ve made the same “mistake” on 3 prior occasions dating back to 1997 as well because each time they have removed the points between the 3-4 year period.I remember when that link was posted on a Vauxhall owner’s forum some time ago there were similar arguments along with anecdotal evidence from others that had also experienced the same as myself. ‘Official’ the link may be but I’ll stick with my own personal experience thanks.
The reason they were on for 4 but only valid for 3 was (I believe) to help with verification of the driver’s record if they went to court. As it’s now on computer and much more easily checked there’s no reason for the 4 years so the above would make sense.