I would appreciate any advice that anyone can give me. i have to go to court next month for allowing my son to drive my car without the correct insurance. After speaking with a solicitor i have been told that u will receive 6-8 points plus a fine. As the endorsement will be an in10 i know that most haulage companies will not employ me. The solicitor has said that the court might be prepared to swap the 6-8 points for a short ban. which would mean that the punishment is served and in the past than having 6-8 points on my licence for 3 years and removed after 4 years. In your opinions what would make me more employable the 6-8 points or a previous passed ban. i am not working for anyone at the moment. Please no smart sarcastic remarks. im returning to work after a back op and this has tyrned into a nightmare. many thanks Glyn.
send off for a duplicate licence. You’ve lost your clean one . 
Take the points, but use your clean one for employment purposes.
The “short ban” will probably be 6 months. No points on return, but it’ll still say IN10, ban 6 months. so no benefit really.
How on earth can you be given points if he was driving your car ? It’s either he drove it with you permission and then it’s down to him when he gets caught or as I would have said, he took it without my permission. OK, he could be charged with anauthorised taking of a vehicle but I don’t see how you can get points either way ■■?
Take the points if you can, lots of employers won’t even consider a banned driver whatever the offence.
Besides It’s not like you were speeding or driving without due care, a good solicitor would mention to the court that you need your vocational license for your livelihood six points are usually accepted (in my experience) by the majority of employers.
The alternative being a short ban (usually 28 days) will remain on your license for 4 years, easy choice.
sundial:
I would appreciate any advice that anyone can give me. i have to go to court next month for allowing my son to drive my car without the correct insurance. After speaking with a solicitor i have been told that u will receive 6-8 points plus a fine. As the endorsement will be an in10 i know that most haulage companies will not employ me. The solicitor has said that the court might be prepared to swap the 6-8 points for a short ban. which would mean that the punishment is served and in the past than having 6-8 points on my licence for 3 years and removed after 4 years. In your opinions what would make me more employable the 6-8 points or a previous passed ban. i am not working for anyone at the moment. Please no smart sarcastic remarks. im returning to work after a back op and this has tyrned into a nightmare. many thanks Glyn.
don’t quote me but I think you get this IN12
Insurance offences
Code IN10
Aiding, abetting, counselling or procuring offences
For these offences, the codes are similar, but with the number 0 on the code changed to 2.
For example, code LC20 (driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence) becomes code LC22 on your licence if you have helped someone to do this.
Just to clear something up, your points would be on your license for 4 years, not 3.
Kerbdog:
How on earth can you be given points if he was driving your car ? It’s either he drove it with you permission and then it’s down to him when he gets caught or as I would have said, he took it without my permission. OK, he could be charged with anauthorised taking of a vehicle but I don’t see how you can get points either way ■■?
Kerbdog, they both get done for this offence as he permitted the use of the vehicle.
OP, I think your solicitor is talking out of his backside when he says the court may swap the points for a ban, the penalty is as you state 6 - 8 points and a fine of up to £5000.
Thats correct it is an in12. I put in10 as more people are familiar with this code. they both carry the same punishment. thanks for pointing it out.
Kerbdog:
How on earth can you be given points if he was driving your car ? It’s either he drove it with you permission and then it’s down to him when he gets caught or as I would have said, he took it without my permission. OK, he could be charged with anauthorised taking of a vehicle but I don’t see how you can get points either way ■■?
If you permit someone to use your car if they’re not insured you can indeed get points yourself.
GBPub:
OP, I think your solicitor is talking out of his backside when he says the court may swap the points for a ban
So do I.
Im sure the solicitor would know what the possibilities are. the magistrate cannot give me less than 6 points as thats the mandatiry minimum. if the magistrate thinks that there are mitigating circumstances he can alter the points. crazy as it sounds he can increase it to a short ban which would mean in affect youre coviction is in the past. it seems crazy to me to think that a ban would be better but i just wanted to know peoples views.
if you take a ban your have some thing on it to say why you were banned
Disqualified for 56 days or more
If you’re disqualified for 56 days or more you must apply for a new licence before driving again.
You might also have to retake your driving test or take an extended driving test before getting your new licence. The court will tell you if you have to do this at your hearing.
Disqualified for less than 56 days
Your paper driving licence or counterpart document will be stamped by the court and given back to you. This is called ‘short period disqualification’.
You won’t need to renew your licence. The stamp shows the disqualification period and you can use the same licence again once this is over.
I would have thought that saying it was TWOC but you are not pressing charges would have kept you in the clear ■■?
GBPub:
Kerbdog:
How on earth can you be given points if he was driving your car ? It’s either he drove it with you permission and then it’s down to him when he gets caught or as I would have said, he took it without my permission. OK, he could be charged with anauthorised taking of a vehicle but I don’t see how you can get points either way ■■?Kerbdog, they both get done for this offence as he permitted the use of the vehicle.
OP, I think your solicitor is talking out of his backside when he says the court may swap the points for a ban, the penalty is as you state 6 - 8 points and a fine of up to £5000.
They may actually do that. The penalty is at the magistrates discretion, I have received a short (6 week) ban for speeding, in lieu of the 3 points I should have had. Likewise, if you have mitigating circumstances, you may walk away without points. It all depends on the magistrates, and how you conduct yourself in court. And having a solicitor doesn’t always help.
ROG:
I would have thought that saying it was TWOC but you are not pressing charges would have kept you in the clear ■■?
would you do that to your son
that a criminal record
My mate got 3months inside for a similar thing. Anyway good luck.
mrpj:
GBPub:
OP, I think your solicitor is talking out of his backside when he says the court may swap the points for a banSo do I.
It’s becoming quite common nowadays. I’ve no idea why. A mate of mine has just got his licence back on the same deal.
It shows he was banned, but no points. So what’s the point of taking the ban? 
A ban looks worse on your licence than points, surely?
SuffolkLad:
They may actually do that. The penalty is at the magistrates discretion, I have received a short (6 week) ban for speeding, in lieu of the 3 points I should have had. Likewise, if you have mitigating circumstances, you may walk away without points. It all depends on the magistrates, and how you conduct yourself in court. And having a solicitor doesn’t always help.
Were you almost there on totting up or was it rather excessive speed?
Suffolklad thanks for your reply. what you have said sounds similar to what the solicitor said. after the 6 weeks does the offence stay on your licence. Has the ban affected your job. the solicitor actually said it would be no benefit to have him and said the magisteate might be more sympathetic if i spoke for myself. thanks Glyn.
ROG:
I would have thought that saying it was TWOC but you are not pressing charges would have kept you in the clear ■■?
The problem is that the Police will still prosecute anyway, their attitude being that they prosecute on behalf of society, not the victim. I’ve known people in the same position who have tried this avenue and it just doesn’t work.