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insight:
To start off with I thought the thread was about information on moving to Canada not a my trucks better than yours. On this point I would like to make this comment No one in their right mind would buy a Merc engined truck unless they are looking at keeping it for life they have no resale value, parts are expensive and they are pigs.
But to get on with the thread. The comments made by the posters in the Maritimes from what I read they have been correct in what they say. Work there is poorly paid and they are the highest taxed in the country it is not the best place to move to unless you have no need to work.
I go there on a regular basis and speak to a few that have moved there and regret it they all have said that the province has made it impossible for them to move elsewhere by taking any savings they have had in the bank. Not only that I think it is a case of once bitten twice shy why risk even more cash tramping around looking for the milk and honey land. One poster said that he moved to the Maritimes 10 years ago I think I am right in saying that back then they had no pnp or lmo bulls*** happening so he would have to do it all on his(their) own backs which in my mind takes some guts. All of you that have moved over here on the pnp lmo schemes should hang your heads in shame , you come over with employment given to you with the safety net that you will get the airfare refunded to you IF you take a job from a Canadian. Do it at a rate lower than should be paid live in the truck and be grateful for it, Companies love this lets import bodies from abroad thing as they really don’t have to work at getting good old Nationals to do the driving bit and use them in the office. How come you hardly ever see a brit in the office it because the owners would rather have you mugs out there living in their trucks while making a good amount of cash from you.
The way I see it any information anyone can give to someone who is thinking of moving to Canada is good be that the truth (which seems to offend )some of you or the rose tinted glasses that the others seem to favour.
As for the comment that if you don’t like it you should back your bags and shove off back to the home country I for one and I’m not alone in this wish you all would then we might get a decent rate for the job because you lot would not be here doing it on the cheap.
Just in case I have upset any of you I really don’t give a ■■■■ and as a 57 year old Canadian with 30+ years of driving experience not a couple like most of you guys I have a right to make a comment.

:laughing: :laughing: All you have managed to do with your 1st post is prove how misinformed and ignorant you are of immigration schemes and employment laws in your own country so maybe as a 57 year old with 30 years experience you should do a little research on the subject if you wish to comment.

  1. MPNP does not pay any air fare, whether coming here or returning home (HRSDC does)
  2. No one is taking jobs from Canadians, to get a LMO a company must provide proof of advertising and making effort to first of all employ a Canadian.
    3.Employment laws prohibit a two tier pay structure so no one is doing it at a lower rate.
  3. You can make comment on any subject you wish but stop making yourself look foolish with your ignorance and maybe, just maybe you will get a decent job paying decent money :bulb: :unamused: :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:
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On the road again:

insight:
To start off with I thought the thread was about information on moving to Canada not a my trucks better than yours. On this point I would like to make this comment No one in their right mind would buy a Merc engined truck unless they are looking at keeping it for life they have no resale value, parts are expensive and they are pigs.
But to get on with the thread. The comments made by the posters in the Maritimes from what I read they have been correct in what they say. Work there is poorly paid and they are the highest taxed in the country it is not the best place to move to unless you have no need to work.
I go there on a regular basis and speak to a few that have moved there and regret it they all have said that the province has made it impossible for them to move elsewhere by taking any savings they have had in the bank. Not only that I think it is a case of once bitten twice shy why risk even more cash tramping around looking for the milk and honey land. One poster said that he moved to the Maritimes 10 years ago I think I am right in saying that back then they had no pnp or lmo bulls*** happening so he would have to do it all on his(their) own backs which in my mind takes some guts. All of you that have moved over here on the pnp lmo schemes should hang your heads in shame , you come over with employment given to you with the safety net that you will get the airfare refunded to you IF you take a job from a Canadian. Do it at a rate lower than should be paid live in the truck and be grateful for it, Companies love this lets import bodies from abroad thing as they really don’t have to work at getting good old Nationals to do the driving bit and use them in the office. How come you hardly ever see a brit in the office it because the owners would rather have you mugs out there living in their trucks while making a good amount of cash from you.
The way I see it any information anyone can give to someone who is thinking of moving to Canada is good be that the truth (which seems to offend )some of you or the rose tinted glasses that the others seem to favour.
As for the comment that if you don’t like it you should back your bags and shove off back to the home country I for one and I’m not alone in this wish you all would then we might get a decent rate for the job because you lot would not be here doing it on the cheap.
Just in case I have upset any of you I really don’t give a ■■■■ and as a 57 year old Canadian with 30+ years of driving experience not a couple like most of you guys I have a right to make a comment.

:laughing: :laughing: All you have managed to do with your 1st post is prove how misinformed and ignorant you are of immigration schemes and employment laws in your own country so maybe as a 57 year old with 30 years experience you should do a little research on the subject if you wish to comment.

  1. MPNP does not pay any air fare, whether coming here or returning home (HRSDC does)
  2. No one is taking jobs from Canadians, to get a LMO a company must provide proof of advertising and making effort to first of all employ a Canadian.
    3.Employment laws prohibit a two tier pay structure so no one is doing it at a lower rate.
  3. You can make comment on any subject you wish but stop making yourself look foolish with your ignorance and maybe, just maybe you will get a decent job paying decent money :bulb: :unamused: :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

Good reply,but I might add that if the idiots over here had not tolerated mileage pay over hourly for so long then just maybe recruiting new Canadian drivers into the industry wouldn’t be falling on its arse.
I did the long haul crap,sat around on docks unpaid,then PR fell in my lap and I sourced a company who appreciates their drivers.Hence nowadays,$50/day for trip inspections,driving paid by hub kms,paid fueling,paid loading/unloading,paid border crossings,paid holidays,and any other work is paid on a time delayed basis,which isn’t argued about.We struggle to recruit drivers in Western Canada purely due the the bad reputation the industry has,thanks to plonkers like insight/bred taking it the wrong way for too long. :laughing:

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Hey insight my good man please share some of your experiences with us newbies at the job would you, be good to hear em fella.

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fly sheet:
Hey insight my good man please share some of your experiences with us newbies at the job would you, be good to hear em fella.

Not suggesting it might be a dreaded Troll are you Mr Sheet :question:

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flat to the mat:
Good reply,but I might add that if the idiots over here had not tolerated mileage pay over hourly for so long then just maybe recruiting new Canadian drivers into the industry wouldn’t be falling on its arse.
I did the long haul crap,sat around on docks unpaid,then PR fell in my lap and I sourced a company who appreciates their drivers.Hence nowadays,$50/day for trip inspections,driving paid by hub kms,paid fueling,paid loading/unloading,paid border crossings,paid holidays,and any other work is paid on a time delayed basis,which isn’t argued about.We struggle to recruit drivers in Western Canada purely due the the bad reputation the industry has,thanks to plonkers like insight/bred taking it the wrong way for too long. :laughing:

Exactly! It never ceases to amaze me just what spineless ‘Yes Men’ many Canadian drivers are. They have the backbone of a damp daisy and will never stand up for their rights, especially truckers. Its all ‘yes sir’ ‘no problem sir, ill run bent just to sit and wait for no pay, thanks buddy!’ etc etc etc. If they’d have used their position in the years of driver shortage prior to our arrival to secure better pay and conditions like we did in the UK in the 90s then things wouldn’t be half as bad now.

The reason pay and conditions in long haul jobs in Canada are often so crap is because the good old Canadian boys with 30 years experience did sweet FA to get a better lot for themselves and just accepted rock bottom. Thats why no young Canadians want to do it, and we’re lured over here, usually with false promises by the large companies who are the worst of the worst. Its a drivers market here, yet practically every Canadian I’ve ever worked with in eastern Canada just accepts his lot in life like a docile pit pony and looks on in shock and horror when the British/Irish/Dutch/German drivers kick up a fuss for being treated like fools.

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robinhood_1984:

flat to the mat:
Good reply,but I might add that if the idiots over here had not tolerated mileage pay over hourly for so long then just maybe recruiting new Canadian drivers into the industry wouldn’t be falling on its arse.
I did the long haul crap,sat around on docks unpaid,then PR fell in my lap and I sourced a company who appreciates their drivers.Hence nowadays,$50/day for trip inspections,driving paid by hub kms,paid fueling,paid loading/unloading,paid border crossings,paid holidays,and any other work is paid on a time delayed basis,which isn’t argued about.We struggle to recruit drivers in Western Canada purely due the the bad reputation the industry has,thanks to plonkers like insight/bred taking it the wrong way for too long. :laughing:

Exactly! It never ceases to amaze me just what spineless ‘Yes Men’ many Canadian drivers are. They have the backbone of a damp daisy and will never stand up for their rights, especially truckers. Its all ‘yes sir’ ‘no problem sir, ill run bent just to sit and wait for no pay, thanks buddy!’ etc etc etc. If they’d have used their position in the years of driver shortage prior to our arrival to secure better pay and conditions like we did in the UK in the 90s then things wouldn’t be half as bad now.

The reason pay and conditions in long haul jobs in Canada are often so crap is because the good old Canadian boys with 30 years experience did sweet FA to get a better lot for themselves and just accepted rock bottom. Thats why no young Canadians want to do it, and we’re lured over here, usually with false promises by the large companies who are the worst of the worst. Its a drivers market here, yet practically every Canadian I’ve ever worked with in eastern Canada just accepts his lot in life like a docile pit pony and looks on in shock and horror when the British/Irish/Dutch/German drivers kick up a fuss for being treated like fools.

You both hit the nail on the head there :wink:

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Now then insight, you’re going to get my take on all this.

Firstly, if people want to go off on a tangent that is fine, as long as it is truck related. This is a trucking site first and foremost, it is also a forum, not a question and answer site :bulb:

Secondly if you are going to condone people for going off topic, it may be an idea if you didn’t do exactly that in the second line of your post :laughing:

Now, to the rest of it,

You said about The Maritimes having low pay/high taxes, that the Province had bled people dry, well that is complete and utter ■■■■■■■■ (testicles) the Province does not take money from people’s accounts, if someone has spent more than they’re earning, they only have themselves to blame, they may regret it, as you say, but nobody has had a gun to their head forcing them to do anything. Which is why forums like this can be useful, if somebody is considering moving to The Maritimes then reading some horror stories from ‘moaning’ Brits may make them look a bit harder and dig a little deeper, possibly making a better decision :bulb:

PNP Schemes do not offer any free flights, nor do they guarantee a wage. Also jobs are not being taken from Canadians, the purpose of the PNP scheme is to fill positions that cannot be filled with the existing workforce. You are correct in saying about companies doing it by paying drivers a low rate and having them live in the truck, but they are few and far between. The other companies that use the PNP scheme are not that great, after all if they were then they wouldn’t need to get staff from overseas, but even then there are Canadian drivers working at those companies, so what does that tell you :question: I’ll tell you what is says to me, and I speak from personal experience, it tells me that some Canadian drivers are complete idiots that will put up with crap that nobody should have to accept, but I’ve seen exactly the same with British companies, so don’t think I’m being racist, truck drivers are their own worst enemy, no matter where they’re born :wink:

So you are a 57yr old Canadian, well whoop de doo, does that give you any more right to have an opinion than anybody else? No it doesn’t, in fact unless you are an Aboriginal Native, you’re just as much of an immigrant as we are, just as much of an immigrant as the blokes that wear the wraparound stetsons, you may have been born in Canada, but so what, if a dog is born in a stable it’s still a dog, never a horse :open_mouth:

Comments like wanting us all to go home, could be viewed as racist, and we won’t tolerate that on this site, but actually I don’t think you’re a racist, I just think you’re scared, because the Brits are in town and we’re showing you lot up, because we’re better truck drivers than you lot :laughing:

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newmercman:

robinhood_1984:

flat to the mat:
Good reply,but I might add that if the idiots over here had not tolerated mileage pay over hourly for so long then just maybe recruiting new Canadian drivers into the industry wouldn’t be falling on its arse.
I did the long haul crap,sat around on docks unpaid,then PR fell in my lap and I sourced a company who appreciates their drivers.Hence nowadays,$50/day for trip inspections,driving paid by hub kms,paid fueling,paid loading/unloading,paid border crossings,paid holidays,and any other work is paid on a time delayed basis,which isn’t argued about.We struggle to recruit drivers in Western Canada purely due the the bad reputation the industry has,thanks to plonkers like insight/bred taking it the wrong way for too long. :laughing:

Exactly! It never ceases to amaze me just what spineless ‘Yes Men’ many Canadian drivers are. They have the backbone of a damp daisy and will never stand up for their rights, especially truckers. Its all ‘yes sir’ ‘no problem sir, ill run bent just to sit and wait for no pay, thanks buddy!’ etc etc etc. If they’d have used their position in the years of driver shortage prior to our arrival to secure better pay and conditions like we did in the UK in the 90s then things wouldn’t be half as bad now.

The reason pay and conditions in long haul jobs in Canada are often so crap is because the good old Canadian boys with 30 years experience did sweet FA to get a better lot for themselves and just accepted rock bottom. Thats why no young Canadians want to do it, and we’re lured over here, usually with false promises by the large companies who are the worst of the worst. Its a drivers market here, yet practically every Canadian I’ve ever worked with in eastern Canada just accepts his lot in life like a docile pit pony and looks on in shock and horror when the British/Irish/Dutch/German drivers kick up a fuss for being treated like fools.

You both hit the nail on the head there :wink:

from what I can see so far i agree here. No one is forced to be living in the unit once i get settled I’ll be home every weekend or so paid for border inspections and being laid over for more then one day. If i can make such a big move and make a living and able to afford a home why cant a Canadian?? Yes I have my flight supplied but thats by law and would be more then happy to pay for my own if need be. However dont forget to mention about the money we put back into the area we live in by paying for food hotel bills whilst training and yea ofcourse the money I pay to take my Canadian class 1 again all helping to create jobs in the area.

So we all stop deciding to make a better life for ourselves and all of a sundden peoples work start to slow down I think just maybe peoples wage fall, think you can see where this is going.

I am not taking a job from anyone there are positions that need filling and I’m gonna fill one of them.

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I don’t think that insight is referring to Hit and Run, there are a few firms out east that pay really crap wages for the first few months and have a bunch of drivers living in company supplied accomodation, Ayr Motor Express being one such company.

Work hasn’t slowed down out here, not at all, in fact it’s getting busier all the time, that’s why the Government is still allowing foreign workers over to drive trucks.

The original post was a wind up :wink:

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newmercman:
Now then insight, you’re going to get my take on all this.

Firstly, if people want to go off on a tangent that is fine, as long as it is truck related. This is a trucking site first and foremost, it is also a forum, not a question and answer site :bulb:

Secondly if you are going to condone people for going off topic, it may be an idea if you didn’t do exactly that in the second line of your post :laughing:

Now, to the rest of it,

You said about The Maritimes having low pay/high taxes, that the Province had bled people dry, well that is complete and utter ■■■■■■■■ (testicles) the Province does not take money from people’s accounts, if someone has spent more than they’re earning, they only have themselves to blame, they may regret it, as you say, but nobody has had a gun to their head forcing them to do anything. Which is why forums like this can be useful, if somebody is considering moving to The Maritimes then reading some horror stories from ‘moaning’ Brits may make them look a bit harder and dig a little deeper, possibly making a better decision :bulb:

PNP Schemes do not offer any free flights, nor do they guarantee a wage. Also jobs are not being taken from Canadians, the purpose of the PNP scheme is to fill positions that cannot be filled with the existing workforce. You are correct in saying about companies doing it by paying drivers a low rate and having them live in the truck, but they are few and far between. The other companies that use the PNP scheme are not that great, after all if they were then they wouldn’t need to get staff from overseas, but even then there are Canadian drivers working at those companies, so what does that tell you :question: I’ll tell you what is says to me, and I speak from personal experience, it tells me that some Canadian drivers are complete idiots that will put up with crap that nobody should have to accept, but I’ve seen exactly the same with British companies, so don’t think I’m being racist, truck drivers are their own worst enemy, no matter where they’re born :wink:

So you are a 57yr old Canadian, well whoop de doo, does that give you any more right to have an opinion than anybody else? No it doesn’t, in fact unless you are an Aboriginal Native, you’re just as much of an immigrant as we are, just as much of an immigrant as the blokes that wear the wraparound stetsons, you may have been born in Canada, but so what, if a dog is born in a stable it’s still a dog, never a horse :open_mouth:

Comments like wanting us all to go home, could be viewed as racist, and we won’t tolerate that on this site, but actually I don’t think you’re a racist, I just think you’re scared, because the Brits are in town and we’re showing you lot up, because we’re better truck drivers than you lot :laughing:

Blimey nmm he must be having a laugh. :open_mouth:

The fact is it was us who went there and then built it (and fought for it to stop the French getting it).It’s a British colony and that’s how it should have stayed just like Oz should have stayed British with no allowances for so called ‘independence’.

However it’s not all their fault because the British government were the ones who were keen enough to offload the places and give them sovereignty over,what should still be,our own colonies thereby stopping a real open labour market in the old commonwealth countries.

I should know because it was that issue that stopped me going there.I’d bet that insight would be happy enough to bring back those old immigration rules that existed then in which it wasn’t a case of employers having to show that they’d advertised the job first ‘before’ giving it to Brit it was a case of it had to ‘stay’ advertised in case/until a ‘Canadian’ wanted it assuming they’d allow us in at all.That’s a big difference to the situation now and it’s no surprise to me that the ‘Canadians’ probably want to turn the clock back by making their labour market a closed shop to Brits in what should still be our own place. :unamused: :imp:

Having said that,to be fair,if the British were any good at running our own country then obviously the Brits wouldn’t want to emigrate to Canada and Oz (unless they were deported there :laughing: ) and the colonials would all have wanted to come home instead of staying where they were and making the States and Canada and Oz what they are now.So there’s two sides to every story.While I’d have preferred a job doing distance work in North America for mileage pay than a job here doing zb local/multi drop or uk trunking for hourly pay which is one of the reasons why I tried to get there.It’s just that now they don’t seem to have enough work to keep the wagon rolling enough to pay a decent wage in many cases :question: .

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Just imagine if things hadn’t changed you could be a slave master now and spent your weekends shooting red Indians.

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kr79:
Just imagine if things hadn’t changed you could spent your weeks shooting red Indians.

I think you’re confusing working as a driver with a team of horses and a wagon,out west in the US,during the 19 th century, :open_mouth: with driving a truck there and back based in 20 th century Canada. :wink: :laughing:

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Carryfast:
It’s just that now they don’t seem to have enough work to keep the wagon rolling enough to pay a decent wage in many cases :question: .

Thats the problem with milleage pay. The driver is not in control of what miles he’s given, he’s at the complete mercy of the company/dispatcher and what work they happen to have or not have. I dont see why a company employee should be taking such a huge financial risk on behalf of a company, I’m not an owner-driver or self employed, the risk is not mine to take.
Reefer work in my experience is the worst thing to be on, on milleage pay as the waiting/loading/unloading times can be ridiculously long, and are more often than not. Add this to the fact that Maritimes companies pay generally lower milleage rates than those in central and western Canada, and the vast majority of our work isn’t even long-haul, but rather regional, then its a crap deal. I’m starting a what should be a proper long haul job next week, on dry vans but for any one thats reading, eastern Canada is not the place to earn a living on milleage pay unless you are VERY lucky and land your self one of the few decent jobs where you are on good consistent miles or have waiting times paid properly. Unfortunely those jobs are like rocking horse ■■■, because people like ‘Insight’ have done nothing in the last 30 years to achieve better conditions. Wether he’s a wind up merchant or not, everything that has been said in response to him still stands as the situation/problem is a very real one.

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To Mr Insight - ■■■■ of you old ■■■■■■■■ it’s a free world and everyone is entitled to travel/work anywhere they want if they’ve give chance for it. And, none of us ‘outsiders’ aren’t taking any jobs from locals, just ask from yourself would there be employment schemes in various countries if they would have enough domestic workforce…?

Sadly, I’ve been facing surprisingly vast amount of racism here in New Zealand… Out of all the places I’ve been, never thought of getting it in here but reckon it just takes a bit of time to settle in…

Personally, I don’t get some old ■■■■■ who are so much against foreigners in this industry. Obviously, there wouldn’t be need for us if there would be enough domestic workforce and especially professional drivers… Unfortunately OZ has made it almost impossible to emigrate as truckie but at the moment I’m more or less happy being in NZ. Bloody cold though… …after spending a year in Australia and majority of it in Queensland…

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prefix:
To Mr Insight - ■■■■ of you old [zb], it’s a free world and everyone is entitled to travel/work anywhere they want if they’ve give chance for it. And, none of us ‘outsiders’ aren’t taking any jobs from locals, just ask from yourself would there be employment schemes in various countries if they would have enough domestic workforce…?

Sadly, I’ve been facing surprisingly vast amount of racism here in New Zealand… Out of all the places I’ve been, never thought of getting it in here but reckon it just takes a bit of time to settle in…

Personally, I don’t get some old ■■■■■ who are so much against foreigners in this industry. Obviously, there wouldn’t be need for us if there would be enough domestic workforce and especially professional drivers… Unfortunately OZ has made it almost impossible to emigrate as truckie but at the moment I’m more or less happy being in NZ. Bloody cold though… …after spending a year in Australia and majority of it in Queensland…

It’s not a case of racism it’s just one of national interest which can be justified in some cases (like here) where it really is a case of the importation of cheap foreign labour,compared to the old British colonial states like Oz,Canada,and NZ where there isn’t a big unemployment problem like here and the work is there and should be open to indigenous Brits who’s origins are no different to those who now call themselves ‘Canadian’ ‘Australian’ and ‘New Zealanders’.That’s not the same thing at all as the situation here where the labour market has been thrown open to anyone regardless of where they originate from.

If it was really a ‘free world’,in which everyone was entitled to go wherever they want,then there’d be no point in having national boundaries and nation states.However the Brits have been brainwashed into thinking that the issue is always one of racism when it isn’t.There’s nothing wrong with different cultures and ethnic divisions being kept that way instead of the British government’s idea of forced integration of different ethnic groups all done for cheap labour.

However that’s not the same thing as the situation in which indigenous ethnic Brits are stopped from being able to live and work as they please in the ethnic British colonial states of OZ,NZ and Canada and then,to add insult to injury,often get treated like foreigners by our own indigenous people and their (now) independent governments,even if they do manage to be accepted for ‘immigration’ into (what should still be) our own colonies.

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Ok Carryfast, if that is true, then strictly speaking, we’re all Italians, because the Romans had their empire before the British did :open_mouth:

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That’s why Geoffrey is so find of two stroke Bedfords it’s his Italian blood :smiley:

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newmercman:
Ok Carryfast, if that is true, then strictly speaking, we’re all Italians, because the Romans had their empire before the British did :open_mouth:

Comparing the Roman occupation here all those years ago with our colonisation of OZ,NZ and North America is a bit like chalk and cheese.The fact is those places would be a lot different now if we hadn’t have gone there and colonised them.It would probably be the descendents of the different native american tribal groups who still run the place and OZ and NZ would still be run by the Aborigines and the Maoris. :open_mouth:

Whereas in the case of Britain the fact that a relative few Romans got here and then decided they didn’t like it,after trying to run the place for a few hundred years,and then all went home again,didn’t really make that much difference to the way the place eventually turned out.That’s why Britain,NZ,Oz,and Canada all speak English as their main national languages not Italian . :bulb:

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when are looking at making the move now then KR?

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The Italians did have a bit of influence on culture, especially in the West Midlands, specifically at the Lucas CAV factories, they made electrical products for vehicles there as only an Italian can :laughing: