Has anyone considered the fact that oil is a finite resource which is fast running out, by this I mean the easily recovered oil deposits in particular the middle east which, with current consumption could be depleted within 30 to 40 years.
Proven world reserves will last for another 120 years at current rates of consumption, but these reserves are difficult to extract or difficult to convert into fuel.
The Canadian Athabasca and Venezuelan Orinoco tar sand reserves are a typical example, although larger than the oil fields of the middle east they are particularly difficult to convert into fuel.
With recent finds in the Gulf of Mexico and around the Falkland Islands being an example of the lengths oil companies will go to to extract these reserves at huge cost, unless there is a discovery of a huge oil field which is easily recoverable fuel will remain expensive for the foreseeable future, consider the fact that the Government has a huge budget deficit and no major “easy” oil fields have been discovered for more than 40 years the best we can hope for is a stabilization in the price.
Protest all you want, nothing changes the fact that they aint making any more of the stuff.
They need to hurry up and build hydrogen vehicles that run on water; I reckon someone’s paying off the scientists not to develop this quickly. If we had this technology now, we could say bollox to the sand monkeys and their flying carpets.
mike68:
Has anyone considered the fact that oil is a finite resource which is fast running out, by this I mean the easily recovered oil deposits in particular the middle east which, with current consumption could be depleted within 30 to 40 years.
Proven world reserves will last for another 120 years at current rates of consumption, but these reserves are difficult to extract or difficult to convert into fuel.
The Canadian Athabasca and Venezuelan Orinoco tar sand reserves are a typical example, although larger than the oil fields of the middle east they are particularly difficult to convert into fuel.
With recent finds in the Gulf of Mexico and around the Falkland Islands being an example of the lengths oil companies will go to to extract these reserves at huge cost, unless there is a discovery of a huge oil field which is easily recoverable fuel will remain expensive for the foreseeable future, consider the fact that the Government has a huge budget deficit and no major “easy” oil fields have been discovered for more than 40 years the best we can hope for is a stabilization in the price.
Protest all you want, nothing changes the fact that they aint making any more of the stuff.
funny how they find more oil when they have been telling us for years, that it’s going to run out.
if we believed all the scaremongering from years ago, the world would have been in darkness ten years ago.
mike68:
Has anyone considered the fact that oil is a finite resource which is fast running out, by this I mean the easily recovered oil deposits in particular the middle east which, with current consumption could be depleted within 30 to 40 years.
Proven world reserves will last for another 120 years at current rates of consumption, but these reserves are difficult to extract or difficult to convert into fuel.
The Canadian Athabasca and Venezuelan Orinoco tar sand reserves are a typical example, although larger than the oil fields of the middle east they are particularly difficult to convert into fuel.
With recent finds in the Gulf of Mexico and around the Falkland Islands being an example of the lengths oil companies will go to to extract these reserves at huge cost, unless there is a discovery of a huge oil field which is easily recoverable fuel will remain expensive for the foreseeable future, consider the fact that the Government has a huge budget deficit and no major “easy” oil fields have been discovered for more than 40 years the best we can hope for is a stabilization in the price.
Protest all you want, nothing changes the fact that they aint making any more of the stuff.
funny how they find more oil when they have been telling us for years, that it’s going to run out.
if we believed all the scaremongering from years ago, the world would have been in darkness ten years ago.
If the oil was running out then the air transport industry is going to be in the zb a long time before anyone else is.But all I’ve heard from those zb’s is we must have more aircraft handling capacity in the south east,more runways and more planes to handle more passengers blah blah and just like the rail freight industry all done on untaxed fuel relative to road transport.
Fuel isn’t expensive now or for the foreseeable future IF zb road fuel tax was taken off of the zb stuff.It’s all about an unfair taxation policy being used to rig the transport market not the bs idea concerning the oil running out.
Seems to me that the forum is being infiltrated by a load of zb green/rail freight supporting zb’s.
But yeah right if the best we can hope for is ‘stabilisation’ of the price then why the zb does that ‘price’ have to be a lot more than it should be all because some zb’s like the greens,the government and the rail freight supporters say that’s what it has to be taxed at when it’s put in a truck not a train.Let alone the ‘price’ which it would be if this was one of the countries where they pay for a litre of fuel in cents not pounds.
Muckaway:
They need to hurry up and build hydrogen vehicles that run on water; I reckon someone’s paying off the scientists not to develop this quickly. If we had this technology now, we could say bollox to the sand monkeys and their flying carpets.
My son’s mate has just bought a Mazda -RX8 1.3cc fitted with the 13B-MSP Renesis engine which is duel-fuel - petrol -hydrogen. You may be aware of this but it seems the technology is there already. Maybe waiting for change over to hydrogen if and when governments/fuel companies agree.
Anyway many of the comments have digressed from the OP.
Is it possible that most if the drivers on the forum are not worried as to the long term affects that these unwarranted fuel rises will have on both the road transport industry and jobs, and are more concerned about the here and now. If so it is a dangerous course to continue along as many jobs will be lost to foreign competition. It’s your choice really either to let it take it’s course unchallenged or suffer the consequences in the future.
Muckaway:
They need to hurry up and build hydrogen vehicles that run on water; I reckon someone’s paying off the scientists not to develop this quickly. If we had this technology now, we could say bollox to the sand monkeys and their flying carpets.
My son’s mate has just bought a Mazda -RX8 1.3cc fitted with the 13B-MSP Renesis engine which is duel-fuel - petrol -hydrogen. You may be aware of this but it seems the technology is there already. Maybe waiting for change over to hydrogen if and when governments/fuel companies agree.
Hydrogen actually takes more energy to produce it than it can provide unless it’s a nuclear H bomb powered car.
I’d prefer a Vauxhall VXR 8 with dual fuel LPG capability thanks.
Solly:
Anyway many of the comments have digressed from the OP.
Is it possible that most if the drivers on the forum are not worried as to the long term affects that these unwarranted fuel rises will have on both the road transport industry and jobs, and are more concerned about the here and now. If so it is a dangerous course to continue along as many jobs will be lost to foreign competition. It’s your choice really either to let it take it’s course unchallenged or suffer the consequences in the future.
What you think mates?
The strange thing is that,unlike many of those in the road transport industry when it comes to the issue of road fuel taxation and intermodal work,you wouldn’t hear many pilots who’d agree with aircraft fuel being subject to road fuel type levels of taxation or saying that air freight should be sent by road,rail or sea instead because all of those are more fuel efficient than aircraft are.
The Airline industry is totally irrelevant in this thread, like the fisherman have a limit to international waters, the planes are in the skies above, when they land they pay huge fees to the airport authority which is taxed. I flew back from the states recently and we called into Zurich because the fuel was cheaper.
We do keep discovering oil reserves, but it is becoming much more expensive to retrieve it.
Anyway, back to this thread, again!
We have said it for long enough, a Friday night protest outside a wet and cold refinery gates will get you little publicity, it didn’t last time, there were barely two coachloads of protesters who had probably watched Jeremy Kyle earlier in the day. The driver can try to save as much fuel as he can by being economical, that gives someone pride in their work, meanwhile the boss can ask for a fuel surcharge. We know this wont happen because someone from the next company on the estate will undercut him. We don’t need the Eastern Europeans cutting rates, we are excellent at doing it ourselves.
Times have changed in transport, ideas have changed, when I worked in Germany they had a blanket ban on any journey over 300kms, it either went by train or barge and was shunted from the terminal by a local based driver. It wasn’t a new idea, they opened Gartcosh in Scotland up to intermodal work in the 70’s and John G Russell did all the onward haulage. Gartcosh and Ravenscraig Steelworks were linked to the southern ports.
In Europe, Germany, France, Italy and Switzerland have a working system for railfreight, we don’t come anywhere close.
Wheel Nut:
The Airline industry is totally irrelevant in this thread, like the fisherman have a limit to international waters, the planes are in the skies above, when they land they pay huge fees to the airport authority which is taxed. I flew back from the states recently and we called into Zurich because the fuel was cheaper.
We do keep discovering oil reserves, but it is becoming much more expensive to retrieve it.
Anyway, back to this thread, again!
We have said it for long enough, a Friday night protest outside a wet and cold refinery gates will get you little publicity, it didn’t last time, there were barely two coachloads of protesters who had probably watched Jeremy Kyle earlier in the day. The driver can try to save as much fuel as he can by being economical, that gives someone pride in their work, meanwhile the boss can ask for a fuel surcharge. We know this wont happen because someone from the next company on the estate will undercut him. We don’t need the Eastern Europeans cutting rates, we are excellent at doing it ourselves.
Times have changed in transport, ideas have changed, when I worked in Germany they had a blanket ban on any journey over 300kms, it either went by train or barge and was shunted from the terminal by a local based driver. It wasn’t a new idea, they opened Gartcosh in Scotland up to intermodal work in the 70’s and John G Russell did all the onward haulage. Gartcosh and Ravenscraig Steelworks were linked to the southern ports.
In Europe, Germany, France, Italy and Switzerland have a working system for railfreight, we don’t come anywhere close.
There’s nothing there which would provide any reasoning as to why road transport should be subject to road fuel taxation that both the air transport industry and the rail freight industries aren’t.You’re right there’s no point in picketting the refinery gates.It’s a political issue and the only way to sort it is to vote out any MP who supports the status quo regarding road fuel taxation.Simples.
However that still doesn’t answer the question as to why so many of those (who should be) on the side of the road transport industry in the issue seem to support that status quo rather than the idea of giving road transport a level playing field with rail and air in regards to fuel taxation .
Especially considering that the rail freight industry actually has the nerve to be complaining about the taxation levels of red diesel making it uncompetitive and I’ve not heard any support from those involved in the rail freight industry asking for more fuel taxation on rail transport and for that to then be passed on to it’s customers in the way that those like you are asking the road transport industry to do.So why the double standards and obvious hypocricy .
Muckaway:
I thought Wheel Nut had got this thread back on course again. He did, but…
I think my comments are (a lot) more relevant to the ‘course’ of the thread than Wheelnut’s,and many others’,ideas of just accept the situation and pass the costs of overtaxed road fuel on to the customer thereby making the industry uncompetitive,if not economically unviable,in regards to competition from the rail freight industry.
Muckaway:
And we alk know Carryfast that if someone said excrement was brown you’d argue it was blue until everybody got fed up posting otherwise.
In this case the OP has raised th issue that the excrement of road fuel taxation is definitely brown.Which I agree with.I think it’s all the rail freight supporters who are the ones saying that it’s blue.But instead of picketting the refineries my idea is to just argue with them and vote out any politician who agrees that it’s blue not brown.
Your all wasting your time carryfast will drive you round the twist because he gets all excited about big powerful cars. Must be trying to make up for something
Also he gets excited about long distance lorry driving as he couldn’t get a gig despite working in the heyday of British international haulage.
kr79:
Your all wasting your time carryfast will drive you round the twist because he gets all excited about big powerful cars. Must be trying to make up for something
Also he gets excited about long distance lorry driving as he couldn’t get a gig despite working in the heyday of British international haulage.
If you prefer small electric cars because anything else upsets you and scares you and driving trucks around the houses because that also upsets you and you can’t make it pay by driving them any further anyway,is your thing then you’ll fit in perfectly with the present system and we can obviously put you down as one of the supporters for keeping the status quo of £6 per gallon fuel.
But for someone who seems happy enough with it all why your questions on the ex pats topic about the possibilities zb’ing off to North America the land of long distances truck driving and big nasty scary V8 powered cars and cheap fuel .
When it’s obvious that you’d hate it when you got there and they started taking the zb out your small ricer Jap heap and send you back home when you tell them that you only want to drive a few miles up the road because you’d prefer it if the train does all the rest and that you think the North American governments should put road diesel up to £6 per gallon to help the environment and make it easier for the train companies to compete with road transport so as to help make you feel at home.
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