BOWIE i think 
shade:
:roll:Look back through and nobody has said anything anti ee until orys pops up and hijacks the thread as usual.
Anyone else not bother reading anything Orys posts anymore ?
What was this thread about again ?
BOWIE DAY but not his finest hour . Re Orys , the bloke should be canned from the site for all his anti British tripe !!!
shade:
Anyone else not bother reading anything Orys posts anymore ?
Orys, the defender of Eastern Europe and it’s natives, who lives in…Scotland 
I don’t get it, if Poland is such a fantastic place, why does he not live there 
Could it be that it is some kind of masochistic tendancy He lives each day in misery because he enjoys the pain of living outside of the Utopia thet is modern day Poland
Or could it be…That living in Scotland is better than living in Poland 
I just can’t understand why Orys would see a post about a Latvian being a slight on his country, I thought he was from Poland? I thought they were two different countries?
It would be a bit like me getting offended by a story about a drunken Frenchman. I would have to be very easily offended. 
newmercman:
shade:
Anyone else not bother reading anything Orys posts anymore ?Orys, the defender of Eastern Europe and it’s natives, who lives in…Scotland
I don’t get it, if Poland is such a fantastic place, why does he not live there
Or could it be…That living in Scotland is better than living in Poland
Posts like this are very numerous, and they are boring. But it’s not that they are so predictable. They are boring, because they are so stupid.
People of some kind here tend to pick only good things that I say about Poland and try to ridicule me, like you do, that I have rose tinted glasses. The same people tend to pick just the bad things I say about UK and try to accuse me of offending Britain - as flat to the mat who accusing me of Anti British.
Then they put these two together and place this question “If you say Poland is so superb and Britain is so crap, why you live here and not there”. That question is completely stupid, because it’s based on two false assumption: that I say Poland is superb in any way, and Britain is crap in any way, which is not true. I don’t think Poland is fantastic place, I just think (unlike some others) that it’s a completely normal country with all its advantages and disadvantages. And altough it’s not superb, it’s far from being completely crap. There are good things in Poland and bad things in Poland, just as there are good things in UK and bad things in UK.
All what I do is to try to bring balance. I am not against showing truth about Poland - just as Switchlogic’s reportage in BBC4 shows that there are some racist people there as well - as long as it is truth. If the article is false, trying to portray Poland in bad light - like the Sun article, and maybe the Mail article, if it’s not the same one, I will oppose it.
And in the same way I am not going to pretend that Britain is fantastic in every way, because it’s not and you know it as well as I do. And I can’t see a reason why I am not allowed to say this obvious fact that there is many great things in Britain, but there are also some not-so-great things.
But I don’t need to tell you that, as you (just like flat to the mat) live across the water, and you know that moving countries is not the decission based on one factor and that there are several you have to take into consideration. Your question, I assume, as you are intelligent man, is only a provocative one, as you know what my answer is, as you made the same decission yourself: you ballanced all the factors that are important for you, and you decided that at this very moment, driving american rig is better way to go for you. It does not means that you think Britain is totally crap, and US is superb in every way.
Harry: it was in general about attitude to Eastern Europe and Latvia is from the same part of the country. If you had similar attitude to the Dutch drivers for example, my reaction could be similar, but as Switchlogic proved, your attitude to Dutch people is different.
EDIT: And btw, Harry, I never said that I am offended. It’s rather Flat to the mat who thinks that it’s offensive if someone says his observation about something. If any feeling, I feel sorry for yous (the trucknet community) that you filter all knowledge about EE by this prejudice. It’s not good for you, first, because you loose a lot (you’ve been in that part of the world many times, and you said yourself, that you liked it and that people there are nice) and because it might harm you: if your goverment had ANY idea about this part of Europe, you would never allow all migrants here, because you would know what to expect.
I can feel my ■■■■ boiling akin to molten lava so I’m off to the pub . Just thought I’d post to stop Orys McCain from having the last word , see ya 
flat to the mat:
I can feel my ■■■■ boiling akin to molten lava so I’m off to the pub . Just thought I’d post to stop Orys McCain from having the last word , see ya
Touche? 
I am sorry, I did not wanted to upset you, enjoy your beer
orys:
Harry: it was in general about attitude to Eastern Europe and Latvia is from the same part of the country. If you had similar attitude to the Dutch drivers for example, my reaction could be similar, but as Switchlogic proved, your attitude to Dutch people is different.
My attitude towards a drunken Dutch driver who did a U-turn on a motorway would be exactly the same as that towards a drunken Latvian. Or a drunken Englishman. Or a drunken Pole.
It’s not me who plays the Race Card here.
OMG Orys, chill the ■■■■ out dude 
I have no idea what ■■■■ you were spouting in your response to me, but I can guarantee that it would be brown in colour and smell of ■■■
I did read the word predictable before I lost the will to live, well back at ya 
Orys you ask for everything you get, as Switchy tried to point out to you, if you didn’t react everytime then you wouldn’t have as much to react too, but people only have to say anything that hints at anti EE’ness and you go off alarming, not only do you fuel the flames, most of the time you start the fire
You may think my questions were silly, but I do have a point, the impression that you give is that you will not have a bad word said about anyone of anything east of Germany, as you rightly say, I’m an immigrant too, I’m also fiercly proud of my heritage, so much so that I do not consider myself to be British, nor even English, when asked I tell people I’m a Londoner, I always will be, but I also accept that my home town is not the best place in the world and that other people are entitled to their opinion of the place, whatever that may be
Sometimes, when someone is slagging London off it really gets my goat, but I find that if I leave them to it, they eventually make themselves look stupid without my help, you should give it a try
orys:
Posts like this are very numerous, and they are boring. But it’s not that they are so predictable. They are boring, because they are so stupid.
FFS pot,kettle,black
Harry Monk:
My attitude towards a drunken Dutch driver who did a U-turn on a motorway would be exactly the same as that towards a drunken Latvian. Or a drunken Englishman. Or a drunken Pole
I know, and I am perfectly the same.
My point is that if that was a drunken Dutch driver or drunken Englishman who did it, the trucknet would say “drunken IDIOT made this and that”. If it’s Eastern European nationality, there is that need to stress his nationality here. This is what I am here at.
newmercman:
You may think my questions were silly, but I do have a point
I am chilled, don’t worry. I say openly if something is wrong, and you will find it few posts up. I already explained why this question makes no sense.
If you had a point, the very same question would apply to you: why you moved, if you like London so much?
Sometimes, when someone is slagging London off it really gets my goat, but I find that if I leave them to it, they eventually make themselves look stupid without my help, you should give it a try
I don’t want people to stay stupid if they are stupid on something, my aim is that they learn something. Maybe I am doing it in a way that won’t get to everyone, but if I did nothing, I would have no results at all.
Orys, whatever my views on London, other people will have their own, they may be at odds with mine, but they’re just opinions and at the end of the day they mean nothing
It wouldn’t matter how many positives I was to come up with about London, there will always be people who will find negatives, some will be true, others will just be the meaningless crap that people often say, no matter what I say, they will not change their opinions
So I would never try to change that, that’s where you’re going wrong, you’re trying to convert the unconvertable and as such all you’re doing is giving yourself an ulcer
newmercman:
Orys, whatever my views on London, other people will have their own, they may be at odds with mine, but they’re just opinions and at the end of the day they mean nothingIt wouldn’t matter how many positives I was to come up with about London, there will always be people who will find negatives, some will be true, others will just be the meaningless crap that people often say, no matter what I say, they will not change their opinions
So I would never try to change that, that’s where you’re going wrong, you’re trying to convert the unconvertable and as such all you’re doing is giving yourself an ulcer
But if someone said “London is the town in northern Siberia, far beyond arctic circle, and all Londoners are drinking a lot of Vodka and chasing polar bears” and then started to judge you basing on that wrong assumption, you would propably try to set his facts straight? This is off course exaggerated example, but this is simply what I am trying to do: judge me as you wish, but first put your facts straight
orys:
you would propably try to set his facts straight?
He’s already said he wouldn’t because if you leave them to it the inevitably make themselves look stupid in the end.
Advice I reckons you should take. Besides, you’re not actually Latvian
Orys, if someone thinks London is in Siberia (I’m guessing you’re generalising here and insinuating that by and large most people are ignorant when it comes to former Warsaw Pact countries, hence the Siberia reference ) then I would not waste my breath trying to tell them otherwise, would it really make a difference to my life Nope, not one bit
A wise man once told me that he learned a lot more from listening than by talking and a lot more from reading than by writing, of course you need to choose who you listen to and what you read very carefully to make this theory work ( see my post at the top of the page to get my point )
Do zobaczenia
newmercman:
A wise man once told me that he learned a lot more from listening than by talking and a lot more from reading than by writing, of course you need to choose who you listen to and what you read very carefully to make this theory work ( see my post at the top of the page to get my point
You missed my point again: It’s not me who needs to learn somethng on this particular subject (as for other ones, as you can see from my activity, I am just listening as you say. You don’t find me talking about driving artics or British politics).
And as for Siberia, I told you that it’s exagerated example, it was completely abstract, I did not meant any second meaning to it.
Miej siÄ™ dobrze!
orys:
newmercman:
A wise man once told me that he learned a lot more from listening than by talking and a lot more from reading than by writing, of course you need to choose who you listen to and what you read very carefully to make this theory work ( see my post at the top of the page to get my pointYou missed my point again: It’s not me who needs to learn somethng on this particular subject (as for other ones, as you can see from my activity, I am just listening as you say. You don’t find me talking about driving artics or British politics).
And as for Siberia, I told you that it’s exagerated example, it was completely abstract, I did not meant any second meaning to it.
Miej siÄ™ dobrze!
And that’s you missing the point again.
We are all trying to tell you. We don’t want YOU to lecture/inform/change our bloody minds about anything.
turnip:
And that’s you missing the point again.
We are all trying to tell you. We don’t want YOU to lecture/inform/change our bloody minds about anything.
Last time I checked, reading me was not mandatory
Orys, let me break my statement down for you, then you may see what I mean
Listen before you speak, or read before you write, this way you can make a judgement on the person you’re dealing with, if they’re an idiot, then you’ll be wasting your time, anything you say will be ignored
In respect of the internet, if someone is posting purely for a reaction from you (a troll) then if you write in response, without reading what is not written, but what you can read from a comment if you read it proplerly, well then you’re just giving them what they want, which is to get you all fired up and you fall for it everytime
Can we have a poll …
Is Orys boring ?
or
Is Orys bloody boring ?
Think I will go back to reading Carryfasts posts …