Carrying another HGV driver as passenger

stevieboy308:

robroy:

8wheels:
Some interesting things crop up when looking at this

‘‘Interesting’’ may be stretching it a bit. :laughing:

Amazement would be a better word, …amazed at how the job has been reduced to pedantic crap by those who make the rules, and those who enjoy discussing them, where a driver has to think twice about something as mundane as innocently riding passenger in a truck., as to whether or not he is doing wrong even if he has no intention of driving it, but only because he ‘‘could’’ drive it, or is qualified to do so :unamused:
Is it just me or what, who can not believe stuff like this today in the job.

Anyhoo, some of you seem to right across it, so I’ll leave you all to discuss it further . :neutral_face:

I wonder which other industries you get looked down on for knowing the regs? It usually works the other way!

Driving the truck is the easy bit, and being a truck driver isn’t just knowing how to drive a truck.

The industry is famous for massively running bent on the past, but now you’re complaining because of the regulation to stop it.

It’s really easy to find and read the regs, they’ve been online your years, but you’ve not read them but complain when there’s a rule you wouldn’t expect or don’t understand why it is like it is, put yourself in your old mindset and I’m sure you can work out why it is like it is.

You ain’t gonna change it, so you can keep moaning about it, or spend a little bit of time to learn it, I know it’s cool to moan about the regs though!

I know, not worth it, not interested, nearly retired, can’t wait to get out, best years are long gone…!

Start the reply with wow? :smiley:

I know, I’m what’s wrong with the industry :smiley:

Ok just for you…‘Wow’. :smiley:

Wind yer neck in mate, …who tf is ‘‘looking down on you’’
Rather than ’ moaning’ as you put it, I was more making an observation on how those that make these stupid bloody rules have drivers ■■■■■■■■ their pants over them, when there is no real need.
Just look at some of the questions on here from time to time…‘‘I’ve gone a minute over my time’’ (exaggeration btw) what should I do?

I’ve already pointed out I understand why (fines) and I was just making a point.
But thanks for explaining the definition of a truck driver for me anyway. :smiley:

I certainly ain’t complaining that we don’t run bent anymore, I’m saying that it has gone to the extreme opposite end of the spectrum, whereby some of this stuff has by passed common sense,
A happy medium is surely a better situation to work under.

It’s still an ‘‘innocent until proven guilty’’ state of play last time I looked, so if I’m innocently getting a lift, or maybe on a ride out even,.I don’t want to be bothered in case some over zealous copper or whoever is going to nick me for it.

As for learning the ins and outs and every little detail of all this stuff., I do quite fine thanks on my ‘‘need to know policy’’.proven by, as if my magic I almost never get an infringement,.(not that I’m too bothered if I do…sorry :blush: ) so I must be doing something right, I just don’t get all menstrual about it all, that is my point…(before you go off on another one,.I ain’t saying you do either. :unamused:)

ON TOPIC but slightly different scenario , ADR any passenger must put card in and have the qualifications to drive the vehicle .

Doesn’t it just take a post like this to bring out the people who take a rule and turn it upside down
First off all if the truck is stopped with two people and both have hgv licence but the driver that’s driving the vehicle is legal then the only legal thing that the copper is allowed to ask the passenger for is proof of identity
As for putting the second card in for other work what do you think the manual entry is for when starting work the next day
Talk about blowing things out of proportion,
Unbelievable

Bigtruck3:
Doesn’t it just take a post like this to bring out the people who take a rule and turn it upside down
First off all if the truck is stopped with two people and both have hgv licence but the driver that’s driving the vehicle is legal then the only legal thing that the copper is allowed to ask the passenger for is proof of identity
As for putting the second card in for other work what do you think the manual entry is for when starting work the next day
Talk about blowing things out of proportion,
Unbelievable

Read the rules, if someone follows your advice it’d a £300 fine for not having your card I. When you should.

It’s irrelevant if you agree with it or not, it’s irrelevant if you understand it or not, what is relevant is that the legislation says you have too,

To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

beefy4605:
To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

Ha!
None of them.
.
.
If the 6 are on holiday they would let the 7th driver put their card in.

(Glad no one has asked what if the 2nd man has had a couple of beers)

Franglais:

beefy4605:
To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

Ha!
None of them.
.
.
If the 6 are on holiday they would let the 7th driver put their card in.

Lets say they all work at the same firm
They are qualified
insured
and could be expected to take over the vechile if the driver gets sick .
my question still stands - who’s card in slot 2 ?

Franglais:
(Glad no one has asked what if the 2nd man has had a couple of beers)

If the second man has any sence he’ll keep his card in his pocket until he sobers up and his mouth shut .

beefy4605:
To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

Do you really think that’s a difficult question that means if there’s you don’t need to put your card in? Come on!

If there’s more drivers than slots who are being carried in the vehicle as part of their duties to be available to drive it if it becomes necessary, the obviously 1 puts their card in to slot 2 then if it becomes necessary they can take over the driving.

They can draw straws or tell the one who isn’t clued up some bs why it should be him, pays to know your stuff :smiley:

stevieboy308:

beefy4605:
To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

Do you really think that’s a difficult question that means if there’s you don’t need to put your card in? Come on!

If there’s more drivers than slots who are being carried in the vehicle as part of their duties to be available to drive it if it becomes necessary, the obviously 1 puts their card in to slot 2 then if it becomes necessary they can take over the driving.

They can draw straws or tell the one who isn’t clued up some bs why it should be him, pays to know your stuff :smiley:

If I was a coach driver on holidays my card would be on the table at home , if I have paid for a holiday I’d be f%&£ed if I’d be driving a coach .We covered this in a previous thread and my position has not changed and won’t .

If I’m getting a lift in a truck my card will be in my pocket .
If not employed by the owner of said truck I’m not insured to drive it . If something happens to the driver and the owner contacts me to drive his truck after he puts me on the insurance I’ll put my card in , do a manual entry to cover the time I’ve been sitting there and carry on - thats all thats required of me - I will not be hung , drawn and quartered over that . If we are stopped by police or VOSA so what I’m not breaking any laws - not employed not insured , not expected to drive - why would I have my card in the head ■■
Stop complicating a simple thing .

@beefy.
Bit of a ‘‘Wooosh’’ moment going on here I reckon. :smiley: .

Never mind mate,.I get your sense of humour as I’ve been laughing to myself all through this thread…,.I know I shouldn’t in case I upset somebody more serious than myself… but there ya go.

Anyhoo…I’d nominate this guy. :laughing:

(As long as he had a valid PSV licence and an up to date drivers card on his person of course…rules is rules :wink: )
youtu.be/NSdYh1W2KSE

beefy4605:

stevieboy308:

beefy4605:
To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

Do you really think that’s a difficult question that means if there’s you don’t need to put your card in? Come on!

If there’s more drivers than slots who are being carried in the vehicle as part of their duties to be available to drive it if it becomes necessary, the obviously 1 puts their card in to slot 2 then if it becomes necessary they can take over the driving.

They can draw straws or tell the one who isn’t clued up some bs why it should be him, pays to know your stuff :smiley:

If I was a coach driver on holidays my card would be on the table at home , if I have paid for a holiday I’d be f%&£ed if I’d be driving a coach .We covered this in a previous thread and my position has not changed and won’t .

If I’m getting a lift in a truck my card will be in my pocket .
If not employed by the owner of said truck I’m not insured to drive it . If something happens to the driver and the owner contacts me to drive his truck after he puts me on the insurance I’ll put my card in , do a manual entry to cover the time I’ve been sitting there and carry on - thats all thats required of me - I will not be hung , drawn and quartered over that . If we are stopped by police or VOSA so what I’m not breaking any laws - not employed not insured , not expected to drive - why would I have my card in the head ■■
Stop complicating a simple thing .

Read the post, at no point have I said if you’re in a vehicle you have a licence for then you must insert your card.

Really Rob, you think there’s been a woosh moment, come on.

robroy:
@beefy.
Bit of a ‘‘Wooosh’’ moment going on here I reckon. :smiley: .

Never mind mate,.I get your sense of humour as I’ve been laughing to myself all through this thread…,.I know I shouldn’t in case I upset somebody more serious than myself… but there ya go.

Anyhoo…I’d nominate this guy. :laughing:

(As long as he had a valid PSV licence and an up to date drivers card on his person of course…rules is rules :wink: )
youtu.be/NSdYh1W2KSE

Im now at a stage in my life where I don’t much care anymore . I’ve seen so much nonsence gradually creep into this industry over the last 25 years, I had a driver trainer / senior driver try to tell me that the new generation of bluetooth tachos would automaticaly send my speeding infringements to VOSA and the fines would be automatically issued - he had been on a training course and thats what he had been told . He wasn’t impressed when I asked him when Vosa had started issuing speeding tickets as as far as I knew that was the Polices job - he had no answer for that one and didn’t take it well in front of 10 of his junior drivers .
A little common sense is a wonderfull thing problem is in this industry it seems its not that common .

@Stevie
Yep, I did think there was a bit if ‘woosh’ going on tbh. :smiley:
No offence mate but maybe you should lighten up a bit eh?

I know we all ‘‘have to obey those that should be obeyed’’ and all that, in fear of them financially ■■■■■■ us, I get it, but life’s too short to take all this crap soooo serious, …we can still 'obey ‘’ but maybe treat it with a bit of laughable contempt at the same time to keep our sanity and let ‘‘them’’ see we know what is going on here.
Cheers.

beefy4605:

robroy:
@beefy.
Bit of a ‘‘Wooosh’’ moment going on here I reckon. :smiley: .

Never mind mate,.I get your sense of humour as I’ve been laughing to myself all through this thread…,.I know I shouldn’t in case I upset somebody more serious than myself… but there ya go.

Anyhoo…I’d nominate this guy. :laughing:

(As long as he had a valid PSV licence and an up to date drivers card on his person of course…rules is rules :wink: )
youtu.be/NSdYh1W2KSE

Im now at a stage in my life where I don’t much care anymore . I’ve seen so much nonsence gradually creep into this industry over the last 25 years, I had a driver trainer / senior driver try to tell me that the new generation of bluetooth tachos would automaticaly send my speeding infringements to VOSA and the fines would be automatically issued - he had been on a training course and thats what he had been told . He wasn’t impressed when I asked him when Vosa had started issuing speeding tickets as as far as I knew that was the Polices job - he had no answer for that one and didn’t take it well in front of 10 of his junior drivers .
A little common sense is a wonderfull thing problem is in this industry it seems its not that common .

:laughing: I know what you mean mate, the lunatics have taken over the asylum (as Terry Hall once said :smiley: ) in this job over the years, a lot of improvements, but 20x more utter bull crap and ■■■■■■■■…to put it politely,.and mostly for the sake of it with no REAL substance…

As I said I just tend to duck and dive and avoid all the crap and the perpetrators of said crap, but try and run as legal and straight as I can, but at the same time not take it too serious…but that’s just me in most things in life… :smiley:

beefy4605:

Franglais:

beefy4605:
To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

Ha!
None of them.
.
.
If the 6 are on holiday they would let the 7th driver put their card in.

Lets say they all work at the same firm
They are qualified
insured
and could be expected to take over the vechile if the driver gets sick .
my question still stands - who’s card in slot 2 ?

RobRoy is right…
:smiley:

I’m always right Frangers mate…you know that. :wink: :laughing:

stevieboy308:

beefy4605:

stevieboy308:

beefy4605:
To the OP - I told you this would get messy . lol

Now for the rule followers -
If 6 coach drivers decide to go on a coach tour - what do they do ?
All 6 are qualified to drive the coach the driver has his card in slot 1 , whos card goes in slot 2 ■■? Discuss :question: :question:

Do you really think that’s a difficult question that means if there’s you don’t need to put your card in? Come on!

If there’s more drivers than slots who are being carried in the vehicle as part of their duties to be available to drive it if it becomes necessary, the obviously 1 puts their card in to slot 2 then if it becomes necessary they can take over the driving.

They can draw straws or tell the one who isn’t clued up some bs why it should be him, pays to know your stuff :smiley:

If I was a coach driver on holidays my card would be on the table at home , if I have paid for a holiday I’d be f%&£ed if I’d be driving a coach .We covered this in a previous thread and my position has not changed and won’t .

If I’m getting a lift in a truck my card will be in my pocket .
If not employed by the owner of said truck I’m not insured to drive it . If something happens to the driver and the owner contacts me to drive his truck after he puts me on the insurance I’ll put my card in , do a manual entry to cover the time I’ve been sitting there and carry on - thats all thats required of me - I will not be hung , drawn and quartered over that . If we are stopped by police or VOSA so what I’m not breaking any laws - not employed not insured , not expected to drive - why would I have my card in the head ■■
Stop complicating a simple thing .

Read the post, at no point have I said if you’re in a vehicle you have a licence for then you must insert your card.

Really Rob, you think there’s been a woosh moment, come on.

Okay… so we have tractor units with 4 seats, Driver assessor and 3 company drivers. And only 2 slots for 4 drivers…are 2 going to get £300 FPNs if stopped!?

stevieboy308:

Bigtruck3:
Doesn’t it just take a post like this to bring out the people who take a rule and turn it upside down
First off all if the truck is stopped with two people and both have hgv licence but the driver that’s driving the vehicle is legal then the only legal thing that the copper is allowed to ask the passenger for is proof of identity
As for putting the second card in for other work what do you think the manual entry is for when starting work the next day
Talk about blowing things out of proportion,
Unbelievable

Read the rules, if someone follows your advice it’d a £300 fine for not having your card I. When you should.

It’s irrelevant if you agree with it or not, it’s irrelevant if you understand it or not, what is relevant is that the legislation says you have too,

The clue is in the headline, passenger