I dont think you need to put your card in unless you work for the same company. Trade plate drivers sometimes hitch hike are you telling me they should put their card in.
Sploom:
So,he should put his card in if he is with you,but who is responsible for this?
Can the driver get into trouble if the passenger doesnt put his card in?
Im talking about non double manning rules
Speaking to compliance team dealing in tachos.
Doing a driver rescue or giving a lift to another depot.
No you don’t need to use slot 2. As it then takes you into multi manning.
Just do a manual entry next time you insert your card.
If in a worse case scenario and you have to take over to drive vehicle, again do a manual entry.
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andy187:
Sploom:
So,he should put his card in if he is with you,but who is responsible for this?
Can the driver get into trouble if the passenger doesnt put his card in?
Im talking about non double manning rulesSpeaking to compliance team dealing in tachos.
Doing a driver rescue or giving a lift to another depot.
No you don’t need to use slot 2. As it then takes you into multi manning.Just do a manual entry next time you insert your card.
If in a worse case scenario and you have to take over to drive vehicle, again do a manual entry.
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Then your compliance team is very wrong then
andy187:
No you don’t need to use slot 2. As it then takes you into multi manning.
OK, it`s the compliance team, not you, but what does that mean?
There is no compulsion to take advantage of the 30 hours or other rules.
Q. (for your people) What is wrong with putting card in slot two?
stevieboy308:
Then your compliance team is very wrong then
I think so.
I know tacho rules and regs are supposed to be there for ours and the public’s ‘protection’ and to stop unscrupulous employers taking the ■■■■ …but ffs man. 
Reading this thread just illustrates how they have you all jumping through hoops to stay legal on petty and pedantic issues, and the repetion and regurgitation of their ‘rules terms’ has shown how they have succeeded in keeping us ‘‘in our place’’ loosely speaking.
I stop short at the use of the term brainwashing btw. 
Ok,.I fully understand it is all to do with the prevention and self preservation side of being financially raped by their lucrative ott, disproportional fines,.and I get all that,.I have been there myself…but.
Whatever happened to the days of discretion and common sense in this job?
Let me for arguments sake just illustrate a possible scenario loosely based on all this type of crap…
In the event of me stood in some lay by say, or at the exit slip road of an MSA, wanting a ride home or back to base, in the ■■■■■■■ rain, thoroughly wet through,.and one of our firm’s lot rock up, do I say…
‘‘Ooh tell you what mate,.I’d best stand here for another hour wet through until another truck from another firm stops,.as I respect the law, and my time is up.but I’ll need to put my card in slot 2, and by law I can’t, …so jog on pal’’
Aye right.
I don’t miss the ‘free for all’ part of the old days,…but I do miss the discretion, common sense,.and ‘‘real world’’ attitudes.
I get we have ‘‘moved on’’ but not necessarily for the better.
andy187:
Sploom:
Doing a driver rescue or giving a lift to another depot.
No you don’t need to use slot 2. As it then takes you into multi manning.Just do a manual entry next time you insert your card.
If in a worse case scenario and you have to take over to drive vehicle, again do a manual entry.
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Multi-manning rules are only applicable if there are two (or more) drivers involved for the whole shift (or for almost the whole shift - you can pick up your buddy any time in the first hour, but must be multi-manned for the rest of the journey).
Your “compliance team” need a kick up the backside.
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robroy:
Let me for arguments sake just illustrate a possible scenario loosely based on all this type of crap…
In the event of me stood in some lay by say, or at the exit slip road of an MSA, wanting a ride home or back to base, in the ■■■■■■■ rain, thoroughly wet through,.and one of our firm’s lot rock up, do I say…‘‘Ooh tell you what mate,.I’d best stand here for another hour wet through until another truck from another firm stops,.as I respect the law, and my time is up.but I’ll need to put my card in slot 2, and by law I can’t, …so jog on pal’’
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Are you being carried on the vehicle “to drive it if necessary”.
Are you being carried “as part of your duties”.
The answer to both questions is “No”, so you don’t fall under the definition of “a driver” of that vehicle for the duration of that journey. So no card needed.
It’s not really a case of jumping through hoops to comply to the nth degree - it’s more about grasping exactly what the law requires, doesn’t require, forbids and permits.
If you have that understanding, you’ll know whether what you’re thinking of doing (or have inadvertently done) is dodgy and why that is the case. You’ll then be far better equipped to deal with and mitigate any consequences that might arise.
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I appreciate the replies but really,my main worry was whether I had responsibilty for whether driver2 puts his card in or not.If its not my responsibilty,then I wont say anything.But no good asking the driver because 2 drivers will give yoy w different answers probably
Roymondo:
robroy:
Let me for arguments sake just illustrate a possible scenario loosely based on all this type of crap…
In the event of me stood in some lay by say, or at the exit slip road of an MSA, wanting a ride home or back to base, in the ■■■■■■■ rain, thoroughly wet through,.and one of our firm’s lot rock up, do I say…‘‘Ooh tell you what mate,.I’d best stand here for another hour wet through until another truck from another firm stops,.as I respect the law, and my time is up.but I’ll need to put my card in slot 2, and by law I can’t, …so jog on pal’’
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Are you being carried on the vehicle “to drive it if necessary”.
Are you being carried “as part of your duties”.
The answer to both questions is “No”, so you don’t fall under the definition of “a driver” of that vehicle for the duration of that journey. So no card needed.
It’s not really a case of jumping through hoops to comply to the nth degree - it’s more about grasping exactly what the law requires, doesn’t require, forbids and permits.
If you have that understanding, you’ll know whether what you’re thinking of doing (or have inadvertently done) is dodgy and why that is the case. You’ll then be far better equipped to deal with and mitigate any consequences that might arise.
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Ok…Sorry if I’ve picked you up wrong…but are you saying it is deemed legal for me to get a lift back in a same co vehicle when my time is up? and irrespective of whether or not I had to, or intended to put my card in.
I always thought that was not the case.
I did say my example was ‘loosely based’ on the actual scenario of the o/p,.and similar to, or along the lines of, rather than specific to.
So maybe that is where we are talking at cross purposes or if/when a misunderstanding occurred…unless of course I have completely missed your point. 
robroy:
Roymondo:
robroy:
Let me for arguments sake just illustrate a possible scenario loosely based on all this type of crap…
In the event of me stood in some lay by say, or at the exit slip road of an MSA, wanting a ride home or back to base, in the ■■■■■■■ rain, thoroughly wet through,.and one of our firm’s lot rock up, do I say…‘‘Ooh tell you what mate,.I’d best stand here for another hour wet through until another truck from another firm stops,.as I respect the law, and my time is up.but I’ll need to put my card in slot 2, and by law I can’t, …so jog on pal’’
.
Are you being carried on the vehicle “to drive it if necessary”.
Are you being carried “as part of your duties”.
The answer to both questions is “No”, so you don’t fall under the definition of “a driver” of that vehicle for the duration of that journey. So no card needed.
It’s not really a case of jumping through hoops to comply to the nth degree - it’s more about grasping exactly what the law requires, doesn’t require, forbids and permits.
If you have that understanding, you’ll know whether what you’re thinking of doing (or have inadvertently done) is dodgy and why that is the case. You’ll then be far better equipped to deal with and mitigate any consequences that might arise.
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Ok…Sorry if I’ve picked you up wrong…but are you saying it is deemed legal for me to get a lift back in a same co vehicle when my time is up? and irrespective of whether or not I had to, or intended to put my card in.
I always thought that was not the case.I did say my example was ‘loosely based’ on the actual scenario of the o/p,.and similar to, or along the lines of, rather than specific to.
So maybe that is where we are talking at cross purposes or if/when a misunderstanding occurred…unless of course I have completely missed your point.
You can’t be rescued by any means if you’re out of duty time
Roymondo:
andy187:
Sploom:
Doing a driver rescue or giving a lift to another depot.
No you don’t need to use slot 2. As it then takes you into multi manning.Just do a manual entry next time you insert your card.
If in a worse case scenario and you have to take over to drive vehicle, again do a manual entry.
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Multi-manning rules are only applicable if there are two (or more) drivers involved for the whole shift (or for almost the whole shift - you can pick up your buddy any time in the first hour, but must be multi-manned for the rest of the journey).
Your “compliance team” need a kick up the backside.
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Only once you’ve gone over 13 hours or 15 if you’ve a reduced daily rest available.
You’re multi Manning if there’s 2 drivers, neither, 1 or both could meet the criteria for the extended period from 24 to 30 hours
robroy:
… at the exit slip road of an MSA, wanting a ride home or back to base, in the ■■■■■■■ rain, thoroughly wet through,
That paints a picture for me of Carryfast on his way back from another happy customer and new car.
stevieboy308:
You can’t be rescued by any means if you’re out of duty time
Yep I did kinda know that, I was just seeing what Roymundo’s take on it was after I clarified that I meant ‘when my time was up’.
I thought a driver had been caught at a docks somewhere getting a lift from a mate who worked for a different company.
Point being, he had no intent to drive but the law suggested that he was available to so he was fined anyway.
I can’t remember the ins and outs but that the jist of it
8wheels:
I thought a driver had been caught at a docks somewhere getting a lift from a mate who worked for a different company.Point being, he had no intent to drive but the law suggested that he was available to so he was fined anyway.
I can’t remember the ins and outs but that the jist of it
But surely he wouldn’t be insured to drive the vehicle so couldn’t be available to do so.
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8wheels:
I thought a driver had been caught at a docks somewhere getting a lift from a mate who worked for a different company.Point being, he had no intent to drive but the law suggested that he was available to so he was fined anyway.
I can’t remember the ins and outs but that the jist of it
He wasn’t being carried in that vehicle as part of his duties to drive it if it becomes necessary though.
Someone with a d entitlement couldn’t go on a coach trip on a rest period if that was the case!
Could it have been a traveling once out of duty time issue?
Bloody hell, no more dodgey nights out then. 
8wheels:
I thought a driver had been caught at a docks somewhere getting a lift from a mate who worked for a different company.Point being, he had no intent to drive but the law suggested that he was available to so he was fined anyway.
I can’t remember the ins and outs but that the jist of it
I would think that the “ins and outs” would be important.
8wheels:
Some interesting things crop up when looking at this
‘‘Interesting’’ may be stretching it a bit.
Amazement would be a better word, …amazed at how the job has been reduced to pedantic crap by those who make the rules, and those who enjoy discussing them, where a driver has to think twice about something as mundane as innocently riding passenger in a truck., as to whether or not he is doing wrong even if he has no intention of driving it, but only because he ‘‘could’’ drive it, or is qualified to do so
Is it just me or what, who can not believe stuff like this today in the job.
Anyhoo, some of you seem to right across it, so I’ll leave you all to discuss it further . 
robroy:
8wheels:
Some interesting things crop up when looking at this‘‘Interesting’’ may be stretching it a bit.
Amazement would be a better word, …amazed at how the job has been reduced to pedantic crap by those who make the rules, and those who enjoy discussing them, where a driver has to think twice about something as mundane as innocently riding passenger in a truck., as to whether or not he is doing wrong even if he has no intention of driving it, but only because he ‘‘could’’ drive it, or is qualified to do so
Is it just me or what, who can not believe stuff like this today in the job.Anyhoo, some of you seem to right across it, so I’ll leave you all to discuss it further .
I wonder which other industries you get looked down on for knowing the regs? It usually works the other way!
Driving the truck is the easy bit, and being a truck driver isn’t just knowing how to drive a truck.
The industry is famous for massively running bent on the past, but now you’re complaining because of the regulation to stop it.
It’s really easy to find and read the regs, they’ve been online your years, but you’ve not read them but complain when there’s a rule you wouldn’t expect or don’t understand why it is like it is, put yourself in your old mindset and I’m sure you can work out why it is like it is.
You ain’t gonna change it, so you can keep moaning about it, or spend a little bit of time to learn it, I know it’s cool to moan about the regs though!
I know, not worth it, not interested, nearly retired, can’t wait to get out, best years are long gone…!
Start the reply with wow?
I know, I’m what’s wrong with the industry