Busy Mr Trump

It’s clear what Ukraine wants. All of it’s territory back. End of war. Security from future invasion. Simples.

But what does putin want? he hasn’t actually made any clear concrete claims other than:

Blockquote “We must choose for ourselves a peace option that will suit us and that will ensure peace for our country in the long term,” Putin told a group of Russian women who have lost loved ones during the three-year war in Ukraine."

He has said Ukraine has to give up the terroritory it’s lost so far, but also give back any it’s taken from Russia. And for Ukraine to forget joining NATO or should that now be WETO as clearly the US has cleared out of nato.

So yous saying Ukraine doesn’t want peace, that’s empty. That’s intellectually challenged. Ukrainians hardly want to keep dying when they’re not freezing or starving or bleeding.
Of course they want peace. But putin has yet to offer even clear terms, let alone acceptable terms. And now since the US has clearly turned off military support, putin can now afford to be even more vague and slimy about his demands. He is the one that doesn’t care about his soldiers or civilians. Just rent more from North Korea on the never never card at a shilling a week.

In a fair fight between gentlemen boxers, if you knock your opponent down, you step back and let the ref count.

But this isn’t a fair fight. Putin is incapable of gentlemanly conduct, it’s an anathema to his culture of lie, cheat and stab everyone in the back. If Ukraine and their allies say OK, putin back to your corner for a break, instead of let’s get the ■■■■■■■ while he’s breathless and bleeding. Only one thing will happen. While putin is resting in his corner, he will be stuffing a cast iron anvil into one glove and some fine pepper on his other glove. He will come back fighting even more dirty, with even more desire to win at any costs.

The west needs to make putin bleed hard enough and long enough for some of his own team to decide to tie his laces together and push him over. He is a liability and will eventually fall, but the longer he stays slugging it out, the more damage he causes.

If you have a killer dog on the loose do you
A:) shoot it dead the minute you can
or
B:) wait till it feels tired and then give it a nice meal of pedigree chum, a soft blanket to rest on and erm wait?

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Very well said

For Ukraine and its people, that light is a long and heavy double heaed train.

Wow ! …:flushed_face:
A purely hell raising and motivational statesman like speech mate, …(no.sarcasm either, I mean that btw)

So thats it then,…

My hackles are up,.

I’m motivated,

I’m totally wired.

I’m up for it…

Bring it on man,

Keep out of my way for yer own good when I am like this :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: .

(Yep…now I AM being sarcastic :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:)

The only answer, is WAR.

Forget compromise, (or appeasement as many are rightly or wrongly calling it) forget the much better option of peace and damage limitation, (it’s Trump ffs… it can’t possibly work) …forget talking and trying to settle a virtually impossible situation.
Bring on WW3 :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

So how many of you who are most vocal will be standing right beside me on the front line?..

Hello?

Hellllooo…?

Even Franglais ???

Where have you all gone? :flushed_face:

Yep…I’ve been here before.:roll_eyes: :joy:

See you’s in hell, that is where I’ll definitely be going .:joy:

Dont make promises you cannot keep.

See you in…
5 4 3 2 …

Here’s a Hollywood style take on the situation.:grin:

In a nutshell.

Absolutely,.as I said a rousing speech.
So where do YOU say we/they go from here then?
I’ve gave you my take on it.

Im a little worried about him. His way of looking at things and arguing has changed. He used to at least comprehend what you were saying and put forward a reasoned argument articulately.

You can’t be too careful :joy::joy:

I was agreeing with adamale not the Trump parody , which I haven’t yet watched.

Bollox.
Listening to too much Russian propaganda.

That comes from the same camp that predicted Ukraine would fall in 3 days. 3 weeks later? 3 months later?
3 years later and those predictions are still wrong

“The Russian Bear” proved itself to be a mangy old beast.
It can and is inflicting a lot of damage, but
listen to Ben Wallace on BBC R4 Today about 08hrs10 this morning (link to follow)
About 40% of GDP going on the war against a small country. Raging inflation.
Buying foreign soldiers to use as cannon fodder.

Predictions of the defeat of Ukraine were wrong before, so why are they right now?

Franglais you do seem to mention the BBC Radio 4 morning show a lot in your posts :smile:

Yep…we ALL know you are always right and see things different to us mere mortals.:roll_eyes:
So answer my question what is the next move to sort the situation you aint happy about.

You laughingly compared it with England in 1940…

Different ball game mate, Hitler did not hold an arsenal of weapons of Armageddon up his sleeve,.the US had not washed it’s hands of the situation, …in fact they later came on the scene and bailed us out, but wanted the money back, as now,.and rightly so.

So what is your solution that you appear to be so much of an authority on…perhaps you should set yourself up as a consultant.

Yes I do.
They often have a lot of important guests, such as to-day Ben Wallace, ex-Tory Minister of Defence, and ex Scot’s Guards to be questioned about Ukraine.
The interviewers always ask probing questions too.

:joy:
Yep, and it and the answers aint pre written and rehearsed, and it aint biased in any way, it is completely spontaneous…it’s the BBC after all is said and done…Rule Brittania.
Get real man.:joy:

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In fairness I haven’t listened to it. Maybe I should and report back.

Go back and read your history books.
In 1940, although Roosevelt may have been sympathetic the US was not in the war.
It only joined after the Axis powers declared war on it.

In this case it is for us not not “wash our hands” of the situation.
We needed support back then, and, one way or another, yes we did get help from the US. Now it is for us to help another country in need.

Go back and read your history books again.
Hitler had successfully swept across country after country. He was far, far, more successful than Putain has been.
I agree that Putain has nuclear power, but what does that mean to you? We must do whatever he says whenever he says, because of that?
Just as well roll up into a ball and give up in that case.

Another straw man…
I am no expert. Like many others here I do listen to experts, and also to karen-offa-facebook.
Generally the experts seem to make more sense, so I give links to and repeat their views.
Just like I did with Ben Wallace this morning.

What expertise do you profess to say that the war is unwinable?

The interviewee knows the topic, but not the questions. Nior the follow up questions.
Johnson pulled his Gov Ministers from appearing because they were frit.

@md1987
Link to programme Today today.
if two hours of news is too much :wink: Ukraine topic from 1hr10, report and interview with Ben Wallace.