Busy Mr Trump

Yep dead right on all counts with your opening paragraph…cheers.
Yeah I heard a news report of a group of Russian soldiers who murdered a young boy in front of his mother, went on to camp outside in her garden and were taunting her…I would imagine that she would want blood rather than appeasement.

It depends on how you interpret this proposed treaty, is it really appeasement, or lateral thinking and self preservation on Trumps behalf…he owes Zelensky nothing.
I get that it aint pretty, and maybe I dont exactly agree with it, but what is the alternative? carrying on with a pointless expensive war?

Trump has already said he is pi55ed about funding billions towards a foreign war, so he sure as hell has no intention of continuing to financially participate in it,…so he either pulls out and lets Putin take all the resources, (because realistically any European army will be useless against the Russians) or he devises some treaty to get his money back, with some assets on top for his trouble.

I aint like Franglais clutching his pearls thinking… ‘‘Oooh this is morally wrong and I’m offended on their behalf’’ :roll_eyes: …I get it that at heart Trump is a hard nosed ruthless businessman, with ruthless methods, so he is looking after his own country and his own personal interests.

Please ffs dont anybody try and argue with ME over this point, I cba with the childish level some of the haters are displaying, and I have already said I do not neccesarilly agree with his actions.
So dont waste your time using me as an excuse to put up more childish jibes against Trump, it is starting to get a bit pathetic, and I have already said I aint his fan.
Cheers.

Oh get over it man!

I’m wondering if you would have said the same during the blitz in many British cities, certainly my Mum and Grandparents weren’t saying that as we sheltered in our cellar in Manchester. It isn’t a pointless war if the alternative is being ruled by a maniacal tyrant like Putin.

You must have a very very low opinion about Europeans if you think that 18 (is it?) European nations couldn’t resist a reluctant army of conscripts who can’t get past the smallest invaded portion of its neighbour in 3 years of trying. The phrase Paper Tiger seems to have been invented especially for them.

I certainly don’t have a low opinion of Europeans per se. What I do have is an extremely low opinion of the effectiveness of any European army! Can you imagine it? An army designed by committee, an army created to tick all the relevant boxes of inclusivity and social awareness? Jeez, I’d rather fight an enemy with the cast of Gladiators at my back rather than the wet, liberal and woke transgender malcontents that this proposed army will be filled with!

Oh so you do want to argue about it with me after all even though I explained (or tried to) which direction I was coming from on it.

No I maybe would not have said that if I had been around in the blitz, I aint a pacifist, and at the time the Americans were baling us out in lend lease, and would come into the war a few months later anyway.
Without the US we would have been done for.
At the time, the air bombing was the first phase of a full scale invasion…Blitz, Blitzkreig Lightning War, a tactic used many times by the Nazis.

In this case it is a reversal, the Americans will withdraw their funding, and have zero intention of joining the war.

Do you actually want Europe to be in a full scale war with Russia?..seriously?:flushed:
That is worse than matey favouring a world recession over any aspect of Trump success.

Are you that fond of Ukraine and seeing Putin defeated at the cost of thousands of more than likely British deaths?
The Army has not got those numbers or resources anyway, so it would be a conscript Army.
Fair play if Russia was invading UK but I do not want the likes of my own 2 lads killed in a war that does not concern us…
My opinion (low or otherwise) is irrelavant on this, but speaking as a realist (yet again) a damage limitation peace move is by far a better option.

To stress yet AGAIN …I aint saying it is fair, life isn’t, neither am I saying I agree with it.

Thats an aspect of it that I did not think about.
Our troops at the front armed to the teeth doing the buisness and getting all the flak, with a battalion of European non binarys, backing them up.:joy:

“Trump has already said he is pi55ed about funding billions towards a foreign war”

It’s true that the US contributed a lot of money, but so has the EU, as a whole, the EU actually passed the US in terms of funding the Ukrainian army.

I fully agree with you that the sooner this all stops, the better it is. But if half of the Ukraine is going to be Russian from now on, does that mean that Putin will stop then? No guarantees at all, and it seems Trump is only interested in the stuff in the ground that he can dig up apparently.

Of course there are no guarantees I keep saying…That’s life.

War and indeed what is passed off as diplomacy, can be, and is a dirty buisness, and usually unfair to one party.

Is half Russian (however arguably unfair) not better than total occupation, with the sh.storm that usually goes with that scenario?..and tbf I can not see it being anywhere 50%.

If a continuation of a bloody war is the alternative, then you decide what you think is best.

The rest you mention is a bridge to be crossed when met, the future is always uncertain in these types of cases anyway, especially when a mad assed character like Putin is involved.
Add Trump to the mix,both with nuclear weapons, and all we can do is strap ourselves in.:smile:

If it comes to welcoming genuine refugees to this country, so be it that is what the asylum seeking system is all about, but not before we get rid of quite a number of pi55 taking bogus ones first .

Yup, a lot of the working classes feel like the labour or democratic parties they voted for most of their lives, have abandoned them.

Can’t say I disagree with them, and a lot of parties leaning to the left, still wonder why they’ve lost so many voters. Makes you wonder in what sort of bubble they live in…

Yeah in my own family, my Mam 92, my Dad 88,.and my Auntie 88, all lifelong Labour voters, all say they feel utterly betrayed by this shower, along with many of their friends.

Realistically maybe they wont be around for next election, maybe Starmer is banking on that,… didnt one of his ‘right honourable’ :roll_eyes: MPs actually say he 'Hoped old people would die before next election?..that in it’s self is a measure of them.

Then they alienate the actual working classes branding them far right at the drop of a hat.

Money squandered on mad assed lefty woke schemes, diversity this, quotas that, money wasted on illegal immigrants, or future Labour voters as I prefer to call them…(amongst other things ) all that alone would fund the heating allowance stolen from pensioners,.and while all this crazy and downright unnecessary spending goes on, all Starmer slavers about is… ‘the last govt’ and his ‘black kin hole’.:roll_eyes:
All this sh involves us and our families directly and immeadiately ffs…it is worth debating and working out.

And what is the main topic of contention on here?
Not this pi55 take of a govt led by the joke who is Keir Starmer, …but a foreign govt led by Donald Trump across the Atlantic.
:joy:

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The American drivers have a strict rule on their site, all politics has to be confined to the one section and I have never even read the word Trump mentioned in the year I have been a regular there.

But the odd jokey reference does creep in, this was a recent exchange which must be close to the edge of what is permitted. Canadians are teased a bit but nothing serious.

Rugerfan said:

That’ll change once you guys are states 51-58

you mean once Oregon is the 12th province after Washington is #11 and California is #13!

to which someone replied:
beastr123 said:

you mean once Oregon is the 12th province after Washington is #11 and California is #13!
And someone else said:

Err, I heard that Denmark was buying California. :rolleyes:![;)](https://www.thetruckersreport.com/
Spardo said:

No, they just want the San Francisco bay. Said they’re gonna name it “ the western warm water port of Greenland”

truckingindustryforum/styles/default/xenforo/clear.png “Wink ;)”)

Another take on Trump which is much more disturbing:

There is something rancid in America, a slow, creeping rot that smells like cold McDonald’s fries, aerosol hairspray, and the unmistakable musk of a country too sedated to recognize its own hostage situation. For years, the idea that Donald Trump was compromised by Russia was dismissed as paranoid fantasy—just another wild-eyed conspiracy theory, another overblown headline in the endless saga of American political dysfunction.

But now, two former Soviet intelligence officers—Alnur Mussayev and Yuri Shvets—are saying it outright: Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987, groomed as an asset, and remains under Russian control to this day.

And the worst part? He’s already back in the White House.

That’s right, America. You did it. You walked face-first into the banana peel of history, slipped, and fell straight into the arms of Vladimir Putin. Trump was kicked out in 2020, spent four years plotting his comeback, and now he’s returned, like a bloated, orange cockroach that just won’t die. The Kremlin’s favorite stooge is running the country again, and this time, he knows exactly how to stay in power.

If you think this is just another round of the Trump Show, you’re not paying attention. This isn’t politics anymore. This is treason. This is foreign subversion. This is a g*ddamn coup in slow motion.

Let’s break it down, nice and simple.

Alnur Mussayev isn’t some Twitter conspiracy theorist with a tinfoil hat and a podcast. He’s the former head of Kazakhstan’s National Security Committee, which means he knows exactly how Russian intelligence works—because he was part of the system. And what he’s saying should make every American’s blood run cold.

According to Mussayev, Trump was identified, recruited, and compromised by the KGB in 1987 during his first trip to Moscow. They saw him for what he was: a narcissistic, greedy, attention-starved buffoon who could be easily manipulated. The KGB flattered him, promised him business deals, and planted the seeds of political ambition in his empty little head. And from that moment on, he was their man.

But Mussayev isn’t alone. Former KGB major Yuri Shvets said the exact same thing in 2021: Trump was cultivated by Soviet intelligence because he was an easy mark—too stupid to realize he was being played, too egotistical to care. They saw him as a useful idiot—a man who could one day be nudged into power, a walking, talking Trojan Horse for Russian interests.

And now? The plan has worked. Trump spent four years in office weakening America from within, got booted out, and now he’s back for round two.

If you had told the American public in 1962 that a Soviet-backed asset would one day sit in the White House, they would have burned Washington to the ground before letting it happen. But today? Nobody seems to care.

The media treats this like just another wacky subplot in the never-ending Trump reality show. Congress is too busy fighting over meaningless culture war nonsense to do anything about it. And the American public? Exhausted. Numb. Checked out. Years of scandals—Russia collusion, Ukraine blackmail, classified documents, tax fraud, sexual assault, an attempted coup—have fried the country’s brain like an overcooked steak at Mar-a-Lago.

Trump has done the impossible. He has committed so many crimes, so openly, so brazenly, that none of them matter anymore.

And now, with Mussayev’s revelation that Trump is an active foreign asset, we have finally reached the point where the biggest political scandal in American history is met with a collective shrug.

This is how democracy dies—not with a bang, but with a g*ddamn eye-roll.

This is the part where the skeptics start clutching their pearls. “Oh, come on,” they say. “If Trump were really a Russian asset, wouldn’t there be more proof?”

To which I say: Are you blind, or just willfully stupid?

Let’s go through the evidence, shall we?

Trump spent his entire first term doing exactly what Russia wanted. He attacked NATO, calling it “obsolete” and threatening to pull the U.S. out. He tried to blackmail Ukraine into manufacturing dirt on Joe Biden, because weakening Ukraine helps one man and one man only: Vladimir Putin. He pulled U.S. troops out of Syria, handing power over to Russian forces. He picked fights with Canada and Europe while cozying up to dictators.

Even now, in his second term, he is more openly pro-Putin than ever. He has made it clear that he will not protect NATO allies from Russian aggression. He is actively dismantling America’s alliances, just as Russia planned. And while Americans scream at each other over whether Target should sell rainbow t-shirts, Trump is quietly selling the country to the Kremlin.

At some point, you have to stop calling it a coincidence and start calling it what it is: treason.

The United States is running out of time. If Trump serves out this term without being removed, America as a functioning democracy is finished.

The media needs to wake up. Enough with the “Trump fatigue” excuse. This is not just another scandal—this is the single greatest infiltration of American power in history. Journalists need to dig into Mussayev’s claims, demand declassification of intelligence files, and treat this like the national emergency that it is.

Congress needs to subpoena Mussayev immediately. His testimony must be public, and every document he has should be reviewed. If there is proof that Trump has been compromised since the 1980s, the American people need to know.

The Justice Department needs to stop pretending that Trump is just another politician. If there is evidence that the sitting president of the United States is working in Russia’s interests, he must be removed from office and prosecuted for espionage.

And the American public? You have one last chance. This is not about Republican vs. Democrat. This is not about taxes, gas prices, or whatever nonsense outrage is dominating the news today. This is about whether the United States remains a sovereign nation, or if we spend the rest of the century as a Russian client state with a golf course.

The sheer volume of Trump’s corruption, the blatant nature of his crimes, the mountain of evidence that should have ended his political career a hundred times over—none of it mattered. He survived it all, not because he was innocent, but because he drowned the country in so much scandal that nothing stuck.

But this time, it’s different. If Mussayev and Shvets are right, this isn’t just another chapter in the endless Trump circus. This is the culmination of a decades-long Russian intelligence operation to install an asset in the White House.

There is no coming back from this. If America lets Trump serve out this term without removing him, then the United States as a democratic republic is finished. The country won’t collapse overnight. There won’t be tanks in the streets. Instead, the destruction of democracy will happen in slow motion—buried under lawsuits, propaganda, and corruption so blatant that people stop caring.

If America lets this happen—if Trump is allowed to complete his mission—then Putin wins. The West crumbles. And the people who could have stopped it will look back, years from now, and wonder how they let it happen.

Good night, and good luck. Because if people don’t wake up, America is going to sleepwalk straight into its own funeral.

Thanks to: https://www.facebook.com/FearAndLoathingCloserToTheEdge

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The Byline Times article alleging Trump’s KGB recruitment is here.

And a little reminder about Russian involvement in UK politics?

Johnson dumping his security detail and going to a party with an ex(no such thing) KGB agent.
Later of course he elevated Evgeny Lebedev to the Lords in spite of security concerns.

Ok, ok,…but apart from that what do you really think of him? :joy::joy:

I thought the ‘Hookers in the hotel room with the 2 way mirrors’’ was good,… but this is another level.:grin:

It would make a bloody good book,… definitely a succesful movie, I’d be getting in there quick to capitalise.

I note the language, the terminology, the adjectives you use in your theory, that clearly illustrate that you aint exactly running the 'Donald Trump fan club …, you certainly do not pull your punches. :joy:

However I love a good conspiracy theory,.and this is up there with the best…

But seriously for a minute…
Do you genuinely actually believe it?

Ok lets break the source of this down…
So a bloke from Kazakhstan (aint that where Borat is from …it int him is it? :smile:) and an ex Russian KGB guy started this off,.
How reliable in terms of truth and authenticity are they, and .what are their individual agendas?

Is it concern and fear for the American people? and does the KGB guy now favourthe ‘Free world’ over the rabid communism in which he has been indoctrinated?..
Or is he just a traitor to his country?..
Hardly a qualification for integrity.

So is it just Trump that is a KGB member, or is the rest of his …I don’t know the terminology, as I do not have a lot of interest in US politics…sorry.
I know it aint cabinet or parliament, but the US equivalent? ,… is it ‘Senate’?.., pardon my genuine and embarrasing ignorance on all this stuff, …
So are they all in on all this also, have they also ALL been recruited as sleepers until the big day Trump was elected?

And what is the evidence of all this KGB infiltration and meddling so far? Especially during his last term of office?
I aint an espionage expert in the same vein as Ian Fleming, but I would have thougjt they would have jumped in with the ‘killer blow’ with maximum consequences when they saw that Trump was sure as hell not going to make a second term.:thinking:

I know a President does not solely make decisions, and that they are a team of associates and advisors to consult first, do they also walk around in Cossack hats and call themselves Ivan at weekends on their days off like some sort of guilty pleasure?

I also know the CIA have a large say, and constsntly monitor the US security situation…(Hey c’mon I’ve seen every episode of ,‘Homeland’ :sunglasses::joy: ) so the higher echelons of that organisation are all reds also’?
Jeezus H Christ…It’s worse than I thought :face_with_hand_over_mouth:
Sorry for the p.takes but I just can not take this stuff seriously .:wink:

As I say I aint an expert by any stretch, nor am I fan of Trump, but I aint for jumping on the anti Trump bandwagon either.

I much prefer to keep a (very) open mind about him and some of the stuff he does,… which can be questionable, and that I do not always agree with by any means.
Believe that last bit or not, I really do not give a one…

But nor do I believe nor want to believe, everything I read about people I hate, of ehich thete are one or two, purely because it makes me feel a whole lot better about hating em. :thinking:
Edited 2x for spelling.

Edit…Oh sweet Jesus :grin:
Just noticed Franglais has swallwed all this stuff and all, …with his links.:joy:.
Kinda says it all for me does that.:joy:

And now Boris is also a Russan spy into the bargain.
The plot thickens eh?
:joy::joy:

“Hitler said; the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it”

Now don’t get me wrong, I know enough about metallurgy to know the Twin Towers fell as they did, quite correctly, and not because of controlled demo charges. So I’m not suggesting I agree with the film entirely. But it is a wee bit of a coincidence that Rik Mayall died just a year after that film.

It also seems strange how many right leaning political types around the world, are now suddenly jumping into bed with Putin when previously Russia had been a pariah state, a bunch of commies. Now bizarrely a growing number of US republicans among others are rushing to becomes best friends with Putin. The main link between all these people is either the obscene wealth they already have, or the clear desire to obtain obscene wealth.

Trump minions have already taken steps to diminish the credibility, powers and role of the CIA, starting with that ridiculous business over the attempted assassinations. So who is gonna believe a few disgruntles ex CIA folk revealing more intelligence about Russian links to Trump supporters. Except ex CIA staffers have being trying to spill the beans ever since 911.

The CIA is little like how it is depicted in Homeland, if the book I read by a senior CIA chap is anything to go by. Even before Trump, the US president could and did shut down any intelligence gathering operation that “annoyed” them.

In the book I read, the author said his unit collected a wealth of data that showed Bush was aiming in the wrong direction and by invading Iraq the second time, immense harm was done to regional stability. Sure Saddam was an evil tyrant ■■■■ but as history has shown, it’s become even worse.

Boris a spy? Well we do have a habit of breeding spies in our top universities, mainly Cambridge, but in the race Oxford has been rowing faster recently and could catch up. Maybe Boris will be the tip of that iceberg.

Though at the end of the day I fear that traditional spying is largely redundant now that google et al have spy cameras and microphones in almost every home and business in the country. We’ve managed to see Orwell’s idea of TVs that spy on us, and raised him personal spy cameras installed on each of us a.k.a the smartphone.

And the head of the CIA? Has just been changed to a Trump supporter.

The heads of the US armed forces? Purged, because they are not Trumpian enough, and a junior General fan-boy has been made boss.

Who is the traitor to his country? He is certainly not a Putain acolyte.
But is Putain the legitimate national leader?

If a dictator runs a country, who are the patriots?
Those who support the man at the big desk? Or those who oppose him?

Is Trump a dictator? No.
But given half a chance he would be one.

Already he is putting his people in positions of power. His last term he did a good job at making more Trumpian Judges in the Supreme Court. This term he will have them on his side.
Yesterday he was again talking about running for a 3rd term. Against the (current) constitution of course.

Unlike the UK there is no permanent professional upper Civil Service. I
POTUS chooses his senior advisors himself.
It might be a good idea if the POTUS chose experts, and those who would not be afraid to tell the boss when he was wrong.
Ask anyone who has worked for/with Trump if he fits that description…go on guess…

Sorry, but nothing strange at all.
You nail it on the last lines…money…

Nothing at all to do with national pride, the good of fellow citizens, etc… They may be talked about a lot, but the real goal for Putain, Trump, Musk, and others is money and power for themselves.
Nations and people are pawns in the game.

We do need politicians, but we need them to be restricted in personal power.

We need systems to limit the power of Presidents, to stop them becoming dictators. So far the US constitution has worked, let’s hope it not weakened by those who reckon they can get a ride on Trump’s coat tails.

I don’t think Johnson has a small camera, and leaves micro dots in hollow trees. But I do think he listens to, and is heavily influenced by, his Russian buddies (donors).
Those who have worked with Johnson say he is disorganised and changes direction all the time (the wonky shopping trolley) so if there are lots of Russian leaning friends around him, then he will of course be influenced by them.

i should stop betting myself a pizza on this crap ill end up like jabba the hut. just the other day i said that the named press companies were guilty of makeing stuff up about boris and they were probably named because they were going to make stuff up about trump and now one of them has said he is a kgb spy :rofl:

no evidence or anything just the official line so no research done or common sense applied. just think for a nano second if trump was a kgb spy do you not think the fbi cia nsa and all the other three letter acronyms they have would of known and do you think that they would of let him become president.