If you looked a bit deeper than the sun and daily mail you would know Bob Crow and Tony Benn were both extremly anti EU.
Both embraced the best of socialism good livings for working class people although i wouldnt agree on state run industury as much as they would i believe the utilities and rail should be state run.
Much rather there brand of socialism than the labout party of the last 30 years.
waddy640:
gazsa401:
waddy640:
So Mr Crow was such a wonderful person, he looked after his members interests.He was typical of most union officials I have encountered with the, what’s in it for me attitude?
Bear in mind that every time his members withdrew their labour and halted public transport the biggest losers were the travelling public. There were probably many that could not get to work due to lack of transport and therefore were not paid. Hence the saying “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer”.
Just a small point that has conveniently been overlooked.
It is the selfish attitude of so many individuals these days, I’m alright so stuff the rest of you.
I think you should take your Rose tinted glasses off it was Thatcher that made this country a bunch of I’m alright Jack people
Who don’t care who they tread on as long as they look after number 1 and could get there snouts deep in to the trough whilst the majority suffered
She created a separate region called London where if you lived north of Watford you were forgot about
She inspired a dog eat dog society she did more damage to this country than any union Adolf Hitler included and that damage can’t be undone
Just look at the me me me society that we live in no one gives a monkeys anymore down to her selfish spiteful way of politics and my friend remember when you join the endless list of being in fuel poverty just remember who sold off the family silver so she line her cronies pockets
At least one thing she’s sweating her vile body down below shovelling the vast amounts of coal keeping her master and creator nice and warmHistory started long before Thatcher and so did bus and rail strikes.
Godwins Law!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law
Crow & Benn dead, all it needs is Ken Livingstone for a tripple whammy.
Nigel Farage and Melanie Phillips for leaders of our country.
roughyed:
Now Tony Benn has died. Typical socialists , one out all out!!
That is so funny! Title of thread reminds of this old joke… about the poor scouser whose wife has died. He rings paper to place obituary, and can only afford three words, so asks the ■■■■■■■ phone to put ‘Jane is dead’ in paper. Girl takes pity on him and gives him three more words for free, so he says, put ‘Jane is dead…fiesta for sale’
mike68:
Thereal-john:
Im embarrassed by some of the narrow minded idiotic views on here, and what’s worse they’re off fellow drivers. Sad little men leading sad little lives.Agreed, it’s little wonder pay in transport is so low, the sad truth is £7.00 an hour is more than many of them are worth.
mike 68,if thats how you feel even though you are a senior member,stay off the site,simple as that,we are all entitled to our opinion,if you do not like it,TOUGH
truckman20:
mike68:
Thereal-john:
Im embarrassed by some of the narrow minded idiotic views on here, and what’s worse they’re off fellow drivers. Sad little men leading sad little lives.Agreed, it’s little wonder pay in transport is so low, the sad truth is £7.00 an hour is more than many of them are worth.
mike 68,if thats how you feel even though you are a senior member,stay off the site,simple as that,we are all entitled to our opinion,if you do not like it,TOUGH
And so is he…don’t let the door hit yer arse on the way out! 
Slackbladder:
what I do find more telling is the distinct lack of labour luvvies coming forwards to praise him.
That says more about them than him…the new Conservatives.
mazzer:
Well at least there will now be one extra council house available in London for a deserving low income family, over 110k salary a year and living in social housing hypocrite
96k is the latest figure in the Indy. A mortgage on those earnings would just about buy my 3 bed terrace in SE London. Hardly the high life,is it?
kr79:
‘…If you looked a bit deeper … you would know Bob Crow and Tony Benn were both extremly anti EU…’
In the original 1970’s context as a Common Market when the UK anticipated exotic fruit & fancy-dan French cheese on shop shelves, that is true. However:
kr79:
‘…Both embraced the best of socialism …’
Which on a pan-European scale - complete with it’s controlling civil servants (foisting the DCPC, kilometers, litres, uncontrolled immigration, etc, undemocratically upon us), is what exists with the EU now.
But has it resulted in the ‘…best…’ of socialism 
Both Crowe & Benn arguably became politically redundant when the EU, by Socialising the whole of Europe, became bigger than them to wholly digest the meek, guilt-ridden, corrosive & uber-liberal BBC enabled UK along with it.
Faceless grey suits in Brussels (or is it Strasbourg this week?) replaced their raging firebrand methodology: That’s why no-one will replace either Crowe or Benn - because there is no need to 
As their left wing, 1920’s borne, General Strike heritage dictated to them, both individuals eventually accepted the EU, what with its pseudo-communist regime baring down upon us despite financial migrants coming to the UK taking low skill/boring jobs that home grown, UK individuals consider beneath them.
Meanwhile, the UK’s disenfranchised ‘unemployed’ seem, along with other reasons too, sulky because they can’t have computer game designer/celebrity/easy-life jobs.
FFS, today’s UK, EU sycophantic politicians (Milliband, Balls, Clegg, Cameron, etc) can’t even stimulate the UK’s own to become qualified to drive UK lorries - they gleefully import them in order to further swell their already millionaire pockets 
DrivingMissDaisy:
Slackbladder:
‘…distinct lack of labour luvvies coming forwards …’‘…the new Conservatives…’
They together represent the Pro EU, Lib/Lab/Con UK majority of the electorate
However, being loyal to their tribalism all three parties underplay and frequently pooh-pooh that truth as it isn’t foremost on this or that week’s pro-EU & often BBC led agenda 
DrivingMissDaisy:
Slackbladder:
what I do find more telling is the distinct lack of labour luvvies coming forwards to praise him.That says more about them than him…the new Conservatives.
Hardly new, they’ve been inseparable since bliar & his conmen.
to mike68,i had a dig at you because of what i thought you said on the bob crow post,i now realise i got it wrong big time and would like to apologise ref idiotic views,sad little men,i now see it was thereal-john who posted it so again apologies
truckman20:
to mike68,i had a dig at you because of what i thought you said on the bob crow post,i now realise i got it wrong big time and would like to apologise ref idiotic views,sad little men,i now see it was thereal-john who posted it so again apologies
and to thereal-john i will say this,it is a forum where drivers are entitled to their views whether right or wrong even though you are a senior member you should respect that without insulting other drivers,if you do not like respecting such views without feeling the need to insult then stay off this site,its as simple as that
Happy Keith:
DrivingMissDaisy:
Slackbladder:
‘…distinct lack of labour luvvies coming forwards …’‘…the new Conservatives…’
They together represent the Pro EU, Lib/Lab/Con UK majority of the electorate
However, being loyal to their tribalism all three parties underplay and frequently pooh-pooh that truth as it isn’t foremost on this or that week’s pro-EU & often BBC led agenda
Most of the UK population I speak to would pull out of this ■■■■ led EU monstrosity tomorrow if we were ever given the vote after being led in by the lying pompous Heath Tory government
truckman20:
truckman20:
to mike68,i had a dig at you because of what i thought you said on the bob crow post,i now realise i got it wrong big time and would like to apologise ref idiotic views,sad little men,i now see it was thereal-john who posted it so again apologiesand to thereal-john i will say this,it is a forum where drivers are entitled to their views whether right or wrong even though you are a senior member you should respect that without insulting other drivers,if you do not like respecting such views without feeling the need to insult then stay off this site,its as simple as that
I would just like to point out senior member doesn’t mean much. Anyone with over 25 posts I think would make you senior. As you were
Happy Keith:
kr79:
‘…If you looked a bit deeper … you would know Bob Crow and Tony Benn were both extremly anti EU…’In the original 1970’s context as a Common Market when the UK anticipated exotic fruit & fancy-dan French cheese on shop shelves, that is true. However:
kr79:
‘…Both embraced the best of socialism …’Which on a pan-European scale - complete with it’s controlling civil servants (foisting the DCPC, kilometers, litres, uncontrolled immigration, etc, undemocratically upon us), is what exists with the EU now.
But has it resulted in the ‘…best…’ of socialism
Both Crowe & Benn arguably became politically redundant when the EU, by Socialising the whole of Europe, became bigger than them to wholly digest the meek, guilt-ridden, corrosive & uber-liberal BBC enabled UK along with it.
Faceless grey suits in Brussels (or is it Strasbourg this week?) replaced their raging firebrand methodology: That’s why no-one will replace either Crowe or Benn - because there is no need to
As their left wing, 1920’s borne, General Strike heritage dictated to them, both individuals eventually accepted the EU, what with its pseudo-communist regime baring down upon us despite financial migrants coming to the UK taking low skill/boring jobs that home grown, UK individuals consider beneath them.
Meanwhile, the UK’s disenfranchised ‘unemployed’ seem, along with other reasons too, sulky because they can’t have computer game designer/celebrity/easy-life jobs.
As Bob Crow was a schoolboy in the 70s when the UK entered the common market i dont think he had much of a veiw on it.
If you took your nose out of the daily mail you would know Crow had spoke against the EU this year and last year pointing out it was damaging the british working people life with the import of cheap labour and theres no way you can run europe sucsessfully through one government.
gazsa401:
Happy Keith:
DrivingMissDaisy:
Slackbladder:
‘…distinct lack of labour luvvies coming forwards …’‘…the new Conservatives…’
They together represent the Pro EU, Lib/Lab/Con UK majority of the electorate
However, being loyal to their tribalism all three parties underplay and frequently pooh-pooh that truth as it isn’t foremost on this or that week’s pro-EU & often BBC led agenda
Most of the UK population I speak to would pull out of this ■■■■ led EU monstrosity tomorrow if we were ever given the vote after being led in by the lying pompous Heath Tory government
I would agree with this. It will be interesting to see what happens after the dust has settled after the next general election, given the Tories have promised a referendum on it, labour have dithered over it in a no, yes, well maybe, definitely not, possibly way.
They all tell lies, we know they do it yet we still put them into power. Until a viable alternative comes along we are stuck with it.
Slackbladder:
gazsa401:
Happy Keith:
DrivingMissDaisy:
Slackbladder:
‘…distinct lack of labour luvvies coming forwards …’‘…the new Conservatives…’
They together represent the Pro EU, Lib/Lab/Con UK majority of the electorate
However, being loyal to their tribalism all three parties underplay and frequently pooh-pooh that truth as it isn’t foremost on this or that week’s pro-EU & often BBC led agenda
Most of the UK population I speak to would pull out of this ■■■■ led EU monstrosity tomorrow if we were ever given the vote after being led in by the lying pompous Heath Tory government
I would agree with this. It will be interesting to see what happens after the dust has settled after the next general election, given the Tories have promised a referendum on it, labour have dithered over it in a no, yes, well maybe, definitely not, possibly way.
They all tell lies, we know they do it yet we still put them into power. Until a viable alternative comes along we are stuck with it.
We’ll never got one mate because it’s like most things in this country if it was left to the people to vote we’d pull out tomorrow
It’s the same with Capital punishment I no it’s a taboo subject but that would probably get voted in too but the powers that be think we’re not intelligent enough to make decisions
DrivingMissDaisy:
mazzer:
Well at least there will now be one extra council house available in London for a deserving low income family, over 110k salary a year and living in social housing hypocrite
96k is the latest figure in the Indy. A mortgage on those earnings would just about buy my 3 bed terrace in SE London. Hardly the high life,is it?
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happy for you if your wages are such that you can look at 96k and say it isn’t a decent amount, would say that most people on here would beg to differ. Knock 25k from 96k and he is still earning a similar sum to an MP hardly on a poverty income.
There is a lot of anti union feeling on here which is probably justified due to the situation in the 70s.
However the basic concept of a union is to represent employees and protect them from unfair treatment by unscrupulous employers, and at the same time improve pay and conditions.
Nobody can argue that in theory this is a good concept from our point of view. However the trade unions have lost their way, same as the Labour Party, which in fact, as far as I know, originated from the Trade Unions.
As for Crow love him or hate him or his political views, he did not let down the people that he represented. If we had somebody similar to him representing us,… and as long as we were behind him, as most of Crow’s members were, we would not be working 15 hr days for one, nor working those 15 hr days for what equates in real terms for 10 hr wages as most of us do now.
He was in a no win situation with the Council house thing, people say his house could be better suited to some dead leg on the dole with 10 kids on one hand, but on the other hand if he moved to a million pound house, which rightly or wrongly he could more than likely afford, he would be accused of betraying his roots and being out of touch.
There is no way that I would like to go back to the 70s situation, but don’t knock the guy for representing and backing the working family man, because the sort of guys that do are a rarity these days.