mazzer:
Well at least there will now be one extra council house available in London for a deserving low income family, over 110k salary a year and living in social housing hypocrite
So are you saying that if you earn over a certain amount, you should have to move out?
I’m a london bus driver, and I wished we had someone like bob as our union leader.
Plenty on here moan about what drivers are getting paid, and yet, when a group of people, backed by their union leader get good terms and conditions, the same drivers moan.
As my grandad always said ‘the working man is his own worst enemy’…
Yes he should have moved out and let someone into that house who was in greater need , council housing is subsidised by all of us and while I have no great problem with my taxes being used to help the less well off I don’t think it is right that they are used to subsidise someone on that level of salary. If he was to pay the going rate and it cost him around 25k in rent not to much of a dent in a salary of anything between 110k or 145k depending on whose figures you use
I think your very hypocritical when tax payers money is used to subside Thatcher and her ilks privatised power companies rail and public transport if it’s private let the shareholders dip their hands in their deep pockets when they need investment I don’t see why my taxes should go towards their obscene profits
By the way I’m a shareholder in the company I work for and we don’t get no handouts from the taxpayer
So I don’t think one mans rent is going to make a scratch on the taxpayer compered to what’s creamed off by wealthy power and public transport companies
George@ASDA driver:
I also am not militant. I hate the idea of striking and I’m not a labour supporter either.
Al I wanted was fairness within the entire ASDA network. Compared to other depots, our depots Ts&Cs we’re appalling. The only way to sort it was bringing the depot into line via union recognition. It worked. FACT.
I can’t even think of a negative occasion the GMB has caused. And I hope I don’t in the future.
I could stop paying my subs anytime I want. But the true fact is, 1 days sick nearly pays for the entire years subs!!! Or 1/4 hour overtime per week. It’s nothing.
I can be proud I was part of the team who helped changed the depot.
The anti union leeches who will still gladly take the extra pay can’t!
Incidentally the same people who moan about the job!
You aren’t a labour supporter, that’s fair enough, did you know part of your subs goes towards the labour party? Something I opted out of when I had to be in a union, money went to a charity instead. They don’t usually explain that bit.
Again, why if the Ts&Cs are so bad would you accept them in the first pace? Did they promise one thing at interview & then change it when you started?
As I’ve said before, why don’t ASDA pay all their workers the same? Because they don’t have to is the simple answer. Why, if you ask for support from other depots, do you get nothing? Because they have their pay sorted & aren’t interested in helping out their colleagues. Why don’t the gmb try & get parity for their members countrywide? Because they are scared to lose what they have & they know their membership would not stick together, that’s how good they are.
If Maggie was so unpopular how come she was re elected, and then once she was gone the country still wanted the Tories in? Preferring them to an unelectable labour party too aligned with the unions. Yet as soon as bliar & his cronies get in the unions are drooped like a hot stone. They spent the next 3 terms systematically distancing themselves from the unions until you get a situation now where the leadership cannot even bring themselves to comment on the passing of a union leader.
We are all all equal now, apart from regionalised hourly rates, and understandably so!! It’s a NATIONAL deal as I have already said. Otherwise known as parity which you insist we don’t get.
We’ve had reps from depots all over the country helping us recognition, so loads of help there thanks.
I accepted my Tc&Cs 12 years ago not knowing the vast differences across the country at other depots. Besides, we all strive for something better don’t we? It’s human nature.
I’m not sure where you get your info or if you are ex ASDA, but things are not what you think they are. Far from it.
waddy640:
So Mr Crow was such a wonderful person, he looked after his members interests.
He was typical of most union officials I have encountered with the, what’s in it for me attitude?
Bear in mind that every time his members withdrew their labour and halted public transport the biggest losers were the travelling public. There were probably many that could not get to work due to lack of transport and therefore were not paid. Hence the saying “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer”.
Just a small point that has conveniently been overlooked.
It is the selfish attitude of so many individuals these days, I’m alright so stuff the rest of you.
I think you should take your Rose tinted glasses off it was Thatcher that made this country a bunch of I’m alright Jack people
Who don’t care who they tread on as long as they look after number 1 and could get there snouts deep in to the trough whilst the majority suffered
She created a separate region called London where if you lived north of Watford you were forgot about
She inspired a dog eat dog society she did more damage to this country than any union Adolf Hitler included and that damage can’t be undone
Just look at the me me me society that we live in no one gives a monkeys anymore down to her selfish spiteful way of politics and my friend remember when you join the endless list of being in fuel poverty just remember who sold off the family silver so she line her cronies pockets
At least one thing she’s sweating her vile body down below shovelling the vast amounts of coal keeping her master and creator nice and warm
History started long before Thatcher and so did bus and rail strikes.
DrivingMissDaisy:
Much as I admired and agreed with our trip to the falklands in '82 every venture since then has been a politicians ego trip:
I’m sorry but that’s complete buttocks. Several have been ego trips yes but we’ve also been involved in some very worthwhile operations, the Balkans and Sierra Leone for two. Besides, many would argue that The Falklands was Maggies ego trip. After all it won her an election.
I’m no fan of Maggie Luke but her response to the Generals’ invasion was the correct option. The ego trip was Galtieris". As for the others I think they were motivated by the scent of Maggies’ success more than anything. Every war is someones’ ego trip…
Wasn’t Galtieris decision to invade the Falklands partly encouraged by defence cuts in the UK that lead to the removal of ships patrolling the Falklands and if he’d waited a few more months wouldn’t we have sold or scrapped the 2 aircraft carriers that were vital to the operation to get the Falklands back?
waddy640:
So Mr Crow was such a wonderful person, he looked after his members interests.
He was typical of most union officials I have encountered with the, what’s in it for me attitude?
Bear in mind that every time his members withdrew their labour and halted public transport the biggest losers were the travelling public. There were probably many that could not get to work due to lack of transport and therefore were not paid. Hence the saying “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer”.
Just a small point that has conveniently been overlooked.
It is the selfish attitude of so many individuals these days, I’m alright so stuff the rest of you.
I think you should take your Rose tinted glasses off it was Thatcher that made this country a bunch of I’m alright Jack people
Who don’t care who they tread on as long as they look after number 1 and could get there snouts deep in to the trough whilst the majority suffered
She created a separate region called London where if you lived north of Watford you were forgot about
She inspired a dog eat dog society she did more damage to this country than any union Adolf Hitler included and that damage can’t be undone
Just look at the me me me society that we live in no one gives a monkeys anymore down to her selfish spiteful way of politics and my friend remember when you join the endless list of being in fuel poverty just remember who sold off the family silver so she line her cronies pockets
At least one thing she’s sweating her vile body down below shovelling the vast amounts of coal keeping her master and creator nice and warm
History started long before Thatcher and so did bus and rail strikes.[/quote
And strikes still went on after her fall from disgrace
And there we have it…bang, bang, you’re dead ta very much Maggie!
Did I miss something? Don’t understand that comment at all.
Much as I admired and agreed with our trip to the falklands in ‘82 every venture since then has been a politicians ego trip that wouldn’t have been possible without the unquestioning obedience of those who’ve taken the Queens’ shilling. Whilst having as much fondness for our wonderful armed forces as anyone else, I do wonder in what direction the guns will be pointed if the brown stuff really hits the fan? I’ve little doubt Brother Crow would have had an opinion on the matter and I suspect I would have agreed with him.
Right got you. No wars would be fought if it wasn’t for the unquestioning obedience of the Armed Forces, if you take that logic on then it’s the soldiers fault we fight in the first place, if we didn’t volunteer then there would be nobody to fight & therefore no wars.
The irony, for me, is that I only went into the Army because the engineering factory I worked at were going to make us redundant, priced out of the market due to high costs & inability to guarantee delivery times due to a militant workforce, and as a young husband & father I needed a job. Oddly enough the last thing you think of when joining is that you might have to go & fight.
waddy640:
So Mr Crow was such a wonderful person, he looked after his members interests.
He was typical of most union officials I have encountered with the, what’s in it for me attitude?
Bear in mind that every time his members withdrew their labour and halted public transport the biggest losers were the travelling public. There were probably many that could not get to work due to lack of transport and therefore were not paid. Hence the saying “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer”.
Just a small point that has conveniently been overlooked.
It is the selfish attitude of so many individuals these days, I’m alright so stuff the rest of you.
I think you should take your Rose tinted glasses off it was Thatcher that made this country a bunch of I’m alright Jack people
Who don’t care who they tread on as long as they look after number 1 and could get there snouts deep in to the trough whilst the majority suffered
She created a separate region called London where if you lived north of Watford you were forgot about
She inspired a dog eat dog society she did more damage to this country than any union Adolf Hitler included and that damage can’t be undone
Just look at the me me me society that we live in no one gives a monkeys anymore down to her selfish spiteful way of politics and my friend remember when you join the endless list of being in fuel poverty just remember who sold off the family silver so she line her cronies pockets
At least one thing she’s sweating her vile body down below shovelling the vast amounts of coal keeping her master and creator nice and warm
History started long before Thatcher and so did bus and rail strikes.
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And strikes still went on after her fall from disgrace
If you feel that Thatcher caused all this then why didn’t Blair and Brown change things, the reason is that it didn’t suit there lifestyle.
As I recall the likes of Harold Wilson, James Callaghan were both well heeled land owners so it isn’t a recent phenomena.
The socialist policy was that we should all live in council houses and then the state could control us. Mr Benn was a strong advocate of this despite coming from a wealthy background himself.
I believe that socialism and communism have a great deal in common.
DrivingMissDaisy:
Much as I admired and agreed with our trip to the falklands in '82 every venture since then has been a politicians ego trip:
I’m sorry but that’s complete buttocks. Several have been ego trips yes but we’ve also been involved in some very worthwhile operations, the Balkans and Sierra Leone for two. Besides, many would argue that The Falklands was Maggies ego trip. After all it won her an election.
I’m no fan of Maggie Luke but her response to the Generals’ invasion was the correct option. The ego trip was Galtieris". As for the others I think they were motivated by the scent of Maggies’ success more than anything. Every war is someones’ ego trip…
Wasn’t Galtieris decision to invade the Falklands partly encouraged by defence cuts in the UK that lead to the removal of ships patrolling the Falklands and if he’d waited a few more months wouldn’t we have sold or scrapped the 2 aircraft carriers that were vital to the operation to get the Falklands back?
Yes I remember that about the defence & removal of the two ships that patrolled the waters of the Falklands.They were a deterent,I also remember a journalist interviewing a Falkland Islander and he said " As soon as they cut those 2 ships from patrolling these waters the Argies will invade " he was spot on !
waddy640:
So Mr Crow was such a wonderful person, he looked after his members interests.
He was typical of most union officials I have encountered with the, what’s in it for me attitude?
Bear in mind that every time his members withdrew their labour and halted public transport the biggest losers were the travelling public. There were probably many that could not get to work due to lack of transport and therefore were not paid. Hence the saying “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer”.
Just a small point that has conveniently been overlooked.
It is the selfish attitude of so many individuals these days, I’m alright so stuff the rest of you.
I think you should take your Rose tinted glasses off it was Thatcher that made this country a bunch of I’m alright Jack people
Who don’t care who they tread on as long as they look after number 1 and could get there snouts deep in to the trough whilst the majority suffered
She created a separate region called London where if you lived north of Watford you were forgot about
She inspired a dog eat dog society she did more damage to this country than any union Adolf Hitler included and that damage can’t be undone
Just look at the me me me society that we live in no one gives a monkeys anymore down to her selfish spiteful way of politics and my friend remember when you join the endless list of being in fuel poverty just remember who sold off the family silver so she line her cronies pockets
At least one thing she’s sweating her vile body down below shovelling the vast amounts of coal keeping her master and creator nice and warm
History started long before Thatcher and so did bus and rail strikes.
[/quote
And strikes still went on after her fall from disgrace
If you feel that Thatcher caused all this then why didn’t Blair and Brown change things, the reason is that it didn’t suit there lifestyle.
As I recall the likes of Harold Wilson, James Callaghan were both well heeled land owners so it isn’t a recent phenomena.
The socialist policy was that we should all live in council houses and then the state could control us. Mr Benn was a strong advocate of this despite coming from a wealthy background himself.
I believe that socialism and communism have a great deal in common.
I’m neither a socialist or communist
I do believe though that everybody as the right to a decent life not just the elitists I’ve never liked Blair or Brown has both of we’re nearly as bad as Thatcher they couldn’t undo a lot of damage she’d done cos of all EU laws which her party signed up to and which we’ve never been given the right to vote on or repel
The state should be in control of certain things like Water and Energy companies as with public transport
and Health and welfare
Other things no
DrivingMissDaisy:
Much as I admired and agreed with our trip to the falklands in '82 every venture since then has been a politicians ego trip:
I’m sorry but that’s complete buttocks. Several have been ego trips yes but we’ve also been involved in some very worthwhile operations, the Balkans and Sierra Leone for two. Besides, many would argue that The Falklands was Maggies ego trip. After all it won her an election.
I’m no fan of Maggie Luke but her response to the Generals’ invasion was the correct option. The ego trip was Galtieris". As for the others I think they were motivated by the scent of Maggies’ success more than anything. Every war is someones’ ego trip…
I didn’t say it wasn’t the right thing to do, I was just point out the failings in your post. A lot of them had nothing to do with Thatchers success. Ask most people about what we did in Sierra Leone and they wouldn’t know we did anything. Thatcher defending the Falklands was as much to do with her own self interest as anything else.
There are no failings in my post. It was obviously a generalisation but nevertheless, essentially accurate in it’s conclusion.
I think you’re getting the difference between facts and opinion confused. Its all just opinions. Yours, mine, anyone’s, who’s to say which one is right. If indeed any of them are. Generalisations are very rarely accurate
And there we have it…bang, bang, you’re dead ta very much Maggie!
Did I miss something? Don’t understand that comment at all.
Much as I admired and agreed with our trip to the falklands in ‘82 every venture since then has been a politicians ego trip that wouldn’t have been possible without the unquestioning obedience of those who’ve taken the Queens’ shilling. Whilst having as much fondness for our wonderful armed forces as anyone else, I do wonder in what direction the guns will be pointed if the brown stuff really hits the fan? I’ve little doubt Brother Crow would have had an opinion on the matter and I suspect I would have agreed with him.
Right got you. No wars would be fought if it wasn’t for the unquestioning obedience of the Armed Forces, if you take that logic on then it’s the soldiers fault we fight in the first place, if we didn’t volunteer then there would be nobody to fight & therefore no wars.
The irony, for me, is that I only went into the Army because the engineering factory I worked at were going to make us redundant, priced out of the market due to high costs & inability to guarantee delivery times due to a militant workforce, and as a young husband & father I needed a job. Oddly enough the last thing you think of when joining is that you might have to go & fight.
Genghis Khan wouldn’t have got far without an army, would he? Alexander the Great would only have been Alexander Who? without his army. Dictators/politicians start wars but armies fight 'em!
DrivingMissDaisy:
Much as I admired and agreed with our trip to the falklands in '82 every venture since then has been a politicians ego trip:
I’m sorry but that’s complete buttocks. Several have been ego trips yes but we’ve also been involved in some very worthwhile operations, the Balkans and Sierra Leone for two. Besides, many would argue that The Falklands was Maggies ego trip. After all it won her an election.
I’m no fan of Maggie Luke but her response to the Generals’ invasion was the correct option. The ego trip was Galtieris". As for the others I think they were motivated by the scent of Maggies’ success more than anything. Every war is someones’ ego trip…
I didn’t say it wasn’t the right thing to do, I was just point out the failings in your post. A lot of them had nothing to do with Thatchers success. Ask most people about what we did in Sierra Leone and they wouldn’t know we did anything. Thatcher defending the Falklands was as much to do with her own self interest as anything else.
There are no failings in my post. It was obviously a generalisation but nevertheless, essentially accurate in it’s conclusion.
I think you’re getting the difference between facts and opinion confused. Its all just opinions. Yours, mine, anyone’s, who’s to say which one is right. If indeed any of them are. Generalisations are very rarely accurate
Genghis Khan wouldn’t have got far without an army, would he? Alexander the Great would only have been Alexander Who? without his army. Dictators/politicians start wars but armies fight 'em!
Thats true but if nobody turns up its not much of a battle is it. I remember when ken livingstone wanted to disband the armed forces & instead defend the country, when nessessary, by using a workers cooperative, a down tools in the factory & pick up guns sort of deal. I wonder how that would have worked out, or what St bob would say about that.
Genghis Khan wouldn’t have got far without an army, would he? Alexander the Great would only have been Alexander Who? without his army. Dictators/politicians start wars but armies fight 'em!
Thats true but if nobody turns up its not much of a battle is it. I remember when ken livingstone wanted to disband the armed forces & instead defend the country, when nessessary, by using a workers cooperative, a down tools in the factory & pick up guns sort of deal. I wonder how that would have worked out, or what St bob would say about that.
It would be nice if the world situation permitted the disbanding of armed forces. Won’t be happening in my lifetime but the point is still the same. Stop looking at it from a national point of view and take a worldwide view on what I’m saying.
cav551:
‘…the two loudest voices keeping the Right in check and accountable have gone…’
That old chestnut of a left/right dynamic has changed, matey.
The hitherto loud voices have been replaced by secret EU whisperers that vaguely represent no-one in particular whilst greyly presenting broadly communist, unaccountable, unaudited (for decades), hugely expensive destruction upon us who fund a proportionately mega-chunk of it.
‘…Accountability…’ was killed-off years ago.
What’s that if not a major success for ‘the left’ whilst ‘the (supposed) right’ gawps-on spell-bound by the riches that their Big Boys enjoy as we prole’s are manipulated by ‘diversity is great’ bolleaux
If the EU was so offensive to ‘the left’ they would have said so - but their muted silence surely indicated their broad approval of EU being our Big Brother Keeper until we wake-up to it’s insideous poison
