Agency drivers blacklist-

[daxi]

I asked.

This needs defining & a full explanation.

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What additional information can be added to incidents, does this include if the driver was blameworthy?
· A_ Type of accident e.g. RTA, Fatality and yes it will include Considered Blameworthy or not

Who decides if its a blameworthy accident or not & do you record who made this decision so that you can defend this data in court ?.

De Poel did not respond.

I asked

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Rikki-UK wrote:
Response for the DTI

In their opinion (on the information I gave them) de Poel is acting as an employment Business under section 13.2 of The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003

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De Poel wrote.

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Is de Poel a member of the REC?
· A- No de Poel is not an agency.

So have you checked your legal position & can you provide us with evidence from the DTI to prove you are operating legally ?.

De Poel did not answer.

I asked.

Rikki-UK wrote:
The plot thickens

I have had an interesting conversation with a recruitment consultant for a franchisee of a major Driver Agency… I have promised not to reveal their identity or the agency involved.

A member here has drawn their attention to this thread, and asked them to confirm that they use de Poel.

This question was passed to the agencies head office and as a result the franchisee was told that involvement with de Poel is a matter of contract between the agency and one of its clients (a major logistic company) and in order to supply drivers they HAVE to submit the details to the database

They have been informed that due to this thread and therefore the possibility of drivers refusing to have their details entered on the database, thereby "reducing our available pool of drivers to ****** ( a major logistics company) "

They are to inform all new drivers that in order to process their timesheets they have to submit certain details to de Poel, with no mention of the add database.

The form drivers are to sign simply states they will let ******** (the agency) submit their details to de Poel.

They have no information sheets issued to them for giving to the prospective agency driver explaining the database. information held on it, or how they can view the information

This person has never been informed of any PIN system, and has certainly never supplied a driver with a PIN number

The person who phoned me told me as far as he understood, all they had to do was supply the client with the name and drivers licence number/NI number of the driver they were intending to place with the client, and the client would use this to confirm wether the driver was acceptable to them!

Is this agency breaking the DPA ?.
What actions are De Poel taking ?.
Do you know who the agency are ?
Are you contacting all the drivers NOW, to inform them of this agencies actions ?
If drivers are being lied to get them placed on your data base aere you in breech of the DPA ? .

De Poel did not answer.

I asked

Can you explain why in the first contacts with this site your company told us that it was not your place to contact the drivers but you said it was a legal requirement ? & does this mean that your company staff are breaching the DPA ?.

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De Poel did not answer.

If De Poel are not honest enougth or morally capable of answering questions how can we trust them with data ?.

[wiretwister]

de Poel Director:
…snip…Do your records come from central office records or local office records?

A - NA
…snip…
Once more many thanks and keep on trucking!!

They must come from one or the other. Which is it please?

[wiretwister]

de Poel Director:
…snip…2) Do you hold on your database records for employees of your clients who have been introduced by an agency?

A - No

That is simply not credible. Many companies, my own included, are now using agencies as recruitment consultants who bear the trial period while employed by the agency so as to save the time and cost of interviewing, inducting, supplying uniform etc only to have people leave before the trial period ends.

de Poel Director:
…snip…3) Do you now, or do you intend to hold records of client employees even if they have not been introduced by an agency?

A — No not under the add system. As de Poel develops a wide range of products this may become the case if for example we developed a web based personnel records system.

So that would be a no but, yes but, no but… and about as credible as Vikki Pollard.

[daxi]

Information is a two way street. If De Poel likes holding information on us then please be aware that we are able to trace home addresses of directors etc.
For those interested in doing so so try here.
snip-biz.co.uk/available_reports.asp

[saratoga]

7 days without a response from them. Do you think they’ve got bored with us now ■■

[brit_pete]

Rikki. have we heard from the nice well written person who is representing, de poel, or are they doing a we will keep our heads down
like the ostrich ,and hope it all blows over and so then carry on.

[rikki-uk]

De Poel have logged in and do keep an eye on this thread

I agree they are hoping that this will all blow over, however the bad news is that it wont More digging/research is being done, and some friends also comtemplating on bringing the whole issue to a wider audience…
alas I can say no more at present

[marcustandy]

Rikki-UK:
More digging/research is being done, and some friends also comtemplating on bringing the whole issue to a wider audience…
alas I can say no more at present

Excellent news, especially for those (few?) in our industry that haven’t yet discovered TrucknetUK!!

[ollie]

Although I dont do agency work, this De Poel company worry’s me.

In particular the ability to ‘inadvertantly’ file incorrect information, can have a devastating outcome on the individual concerned.

In 1971 some ‘[zb]’ assumed my identity and took out an ‘Access’ card (the 1st credit card I think?), the person was subsequently caught and put away after running up huge bills.

Despite my innocence in this matter, the damage was done to my credit rating. No matter how many times ‘my file was amended’, the damage was done and the whole thing ‘mushroomed’ out of control. Even now, 34 years later I still have problems as a result of incorrect information being passed on from one party to another.

So, can De Poel guarantee not to ‘accidentaly’ enter incorrect information into it’s database? And if it does, well by the time this ‘duff info’ has been passed on to a third party - it’s too late.

The whole set up of this company is questionable, there are issues being breached in respect of the data protection act, human rights issues and the forming of a ‘closed shop’.

At the very least, De Poel’s database is dangerous. At worse it is catastrophic to any unfortunate soul that is ‘wronged’.

Too obvious.L.

[mike_bartlett]

Maybe we should compile an employment agency blacklist, send them into me and i’ll gladly upload them onto a website

Lets face it, they may think that the sun shine out of their bum, and that the whole world would starve if not for employment agencies, but we know as drivers that’s not the case is it

How about the one that on it’s own homepage mentions the word “Honesty” I registered with them before christmass with promises of £9 pr hr + time and a half after eight, the first week of employment they had a problem with their computer so I was not paid, but they said “just continue what you are doing and we’re pay you next week” well that week comes up and yes I’ve only got £8 per our flat rate so I have the ordassity to complain, and they say that all their drivers get £8 and any other promises were imagined by me
I won’t say who they were but they have a similar name to a service offered by a postal delivery firm

We all know that agencies speak in code when advertising for drivers, so here’s some examples of what you might expect

Temp to Perm = Due to constant staff turn-over (know one can stick job for more than a week) you’ll soon be offered a full time position.

Immediate Starts = Certainly not this week or the next, phone back during School Summer Holidays and/or Christmass.

Due to continued expansion = We’ve just completed a new contract due to other agencies having left premises, due to work being so appalling every driver refused to do it.

Must be Flexible = In know way will we have the hours your looking for.

Class 11 Multi drop + Collections = Dustman.

£17per Hr OR Top earner last week £917.89 = Our Area manager is visiting directly next week, so we’re making outlandish claims in an attempt to fill our books with drivers.

Urgently Required = Read above but add also our jobs are on the line.

Berk’s = Coventry and Leicester office have vacancies but not Berkshire.

[smcaul]

Mike Bartlett:
We all know that agencies speak in code when advertising for drivers, so here’s some examples of what you might expect

Temp to Perm = Due to constant staff turn-over (know one can stick job for more than a week) you’ll soon be offered a full time position.

Immediate Starts = Certainly not this week or the next, phone back during School Summer Holidays and/or Christmass.

Due to continued expansion = We’ve just completed a new contract due to other agencies having left premises, due to work being so appalling every driver refused to do it.

Must be Flexible = In know way will we have the hours your looking for.

Class 11 Multi drop + Collections = Dustman.

£17per Hr OR Top earner last week £917.89 = Our Area manager is visiting directly next week, so we’re making outlandish claims in an attempt to fill our books with drivers.

Urgently Required = Read above but add also our jobs are on the line.

Berk’s = Coventry and Leicester office have vacancies but not Berkshire.

Superb, I like it.

On another point, Rikki has already started a thread which lists those agenecies that use DePoel.

[Lucy]

Mike Bartlett and CM…I’ve split this topic off into Bully’s Bar from your post/s onwards, as it was 95% off topic!!!

[cm]

Lucy:
Mike Bartlett and CM…I’ve split this topic off into Bully’s Bar from your post/s onwards, as it was 95% off topic!!!

Thanks Lucy, not entirely surprised, did wonder when I read it.

[duncan]

Mike Bartlett:
Maybe we should compile an employment agency blacklist, send them into me and i’ll gladly upload them onto a website

Lets face it, they may think that the sun shine out of their bum, and that the whole world would starve if not for employment agencies, but we know as drivers that’s not the case is it

How about the one that on it’s own homepage mentions the word “Honesty” I registered with them before christmass with promises of £9 pr hr + time and a half after eight, the first week of employment they had a problem with their computer so I was not paid, but they said “just continue what you are doing and we’re pay you next week” well that week comes up and yes I’ve only got £8 per our flat rate so I have the ordassity to complain, and they say that all their drivers get £8 and any other promises were imagined by me
I won’t say who they were but they have a similar name to a service offered by a postal delivery firm

I read Mike’s posting and the since we are called 1st Class Drivers which is pretty close to a service offered by a postal delivery firm and the second word on our website is honesty (because we believe in it and it is important to us). I was worried that he might be refering to us or if he wasn’t other people might assume he was! So I sent him this private message.

----start of message-----
Hi Mike,
I read your posting on the Depoel forum and just wanted to find out if it was my company 1st Class Drivers Ltd (we are based in the North of England) that you are talking about.

Your comment "I won’t say who they were but they have a similar name to a service offered by a postal delivery firm " and the fact that we have “Honesty” on our website indicates that it may be.

I notice from you other post that you mention Bracknell as your base so I’m hoping that it isn’t us, but if it is, could you give me some further info about your problem and I will investigate it further.

Regards

Duncan Horsfall
MD

— end of message ----

Unfortunately he hasn’t yet replied (Mike I never check to see if I have any Trucknet messages either). I have checked our records and we do not have any drivers with the surname “Bartlett” registered so I don’t believe it is us but you never know, so Mike if you read this please let me know if you were referring to us, if so I will investigate your allegations and try to put right anything we have done wrong. If it is not us I would appreciate it if you would clarify to the forum that it is not us.

So was this a case of mistaken identity? or a fair complaint. A number of agencies use “1st Class”, “First Class”, “1st Drivers”, “Class Drivers” Unfortunately it is difficult for us to stop them, without changing our name to Jubleofletters Drivers we are going to get imitators or just people starting a business elsewhere and unintentially picking a name similar to ours. This can lead to confusion.

This also highlights the concern I have with Depoel over mistaken identity. If it is this difficult with companies names how about Paul Smith, Dave Jones or Mark Wright. If somebody mistakenly puts a black mark on our company name it is not good, but it is not going to put us out of business next week. If somebody puts a black mark on the wrong John Smith he might struggle to pay his mortgage next month. I can read this forum and reply to anything I disagree with. What come back has a driver got if he is Blacklisted from the depoel database. The first time he knows about it is when he isn’t getting any work. So he contacts his agency who if they are any good, are going to tell him the truth and give him Depoels contact details. Who will charge him for the privilege of viewing the information they hold on him. When this eventually arrives in the post he then will have to respond to Depoel to try and set the record straight. How long is this going to take and how is he going to feed his kids while he waits?

And just in case your name is unusual and you think you should be safe. What about the Donkey doing a clerical error (computers don’t make mistakes) who attaches a complaint to the wrong driver because they were both called “Stefan”. Or a complaint about Anybody Barnes going to the first A. Barnes on the list. I’m sure they will have safeguards but like all companies they will be running to a budget and will keep staff to a minimum.

Duncan Horsfall
MD
www.1stclassdrivers.co.uk

[mike_bartlett]

Duncan:
I notice from you other post that you mention Bracknell as your base so I’m hoping that it isn’t us,

That’s the thing about being an HGV driver you work all over the place, like Northampton for example

Duncan:
This also highlights the concern I have with Depoel over mistaken identity. If it is this difficult with companies names how about Paul Smith, Dave Jones or Mike Bartlett

Precisely

[duncan]

Hi Mike,

I’ve checked again and I don’t believe you have worked for us, but given a clue I’m like a dog after a bone! A quick search on Yell and

I found these people who are nothing to do with us

First *********
Northamptonshire
(name and full address removed just incase it isn’t them, but I’ve sent you the details in a private message)

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I also found this company which is another one I didn’t know about.

1st Class********
Berkshire
(name and full address removed just incase it isn’t them, but I’ve sent you the details in a private message)

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We are

1st Class Drivers Ltd
24, Queen St, Morley, Leeds, West Yorkshire
LS27 9BR
Tel: 0113 253 6878
Classification: Employment Agencies

We operate in the Sheffield, Leeds and Manchester areas

This proves my point about the danger of mistaken identity, it is unfortunate for me that it is my company you appear to be confusing with another.
Hopefully no long term damage to our reputation will be done but I would appreciate it if you could clarify that it is not my company you are refering to on the forum.

I would also like to tell you that apart from confusing my company with another I agree with your comments on your post and the unethical way most driving agencies operate stinks. But we are trying to break the mould, I know you are not in our area but please take a look at our website we are very clear on the benifits we offer, we treat our drivers (most of them are also our employees) with respect, honesty and keep our promises. If you ever see one of our drivers in a truck stop (blue uniform gold badge with steering wheel logo) ask him if our company is any good.

Sorry to you all going off topic a bit but we have worked hard to build our reputation. But just think how you would feel if your name was blackened even if by mistake!

Regards

Duncan Horsfall
MD
1st Class Drivers Ltd.
www.1stclassdrivers.co.uk

[mike_bartlett]

Duncan:
First *********
Northampton
(name and full address removed just incase it isn’t them, but I’ve sent you the details in a private message)

Yes it was these, what a pack of ■■■■■■■ they are

Sorry for the mix up (err my error)

[duncan]

Mike Bartlett:
First *********
Northampton

Yes it was these, what a pack of [zb] they are

Sorry for the mix up (err my error)

No problem Mike I don’t hold grudges It is easy to confuse names that are similar, we all do sometimes, it fact you have just proved my point!

Duncan:
This also highlights the concern I have with Depoel over mistaken identity. If it is this difficult with companies names how about Paul Smith, Dave Jones or Mark Wright. If somebody mistakenly puts a black mark on our company name it is not good, but it is not going to put us out of business next week. If somebody puts a black mark on the wrong John Smith he might struggle to pay his mortgage next month. I can read this forum and reply to anything I disagree with. What come back has a driver got if he is Blacklisted from the depoel database. The first time he knows about it is when he isn’t getting any work. So he contacts his agency who if they are any good, are going to tell him the truth and give him Depoels contact details. Who will charge him for the privilege of viewing the information they hold on him. When this eventually arrives in the post he then will have to respond to Depoel to try and set the record straight. How long is this going to take and how is he going to feed his kids while he waits?

Imagine if Depoel were successful in controlling a large percentage of agency work and you were blacklisted on their list.

Edmund Burke:
The greater the power the more dangerous the abuse.

Duncan Horsfall
MD
1st Class Drivers Ltd.
www.1stclassdrivers.co.uk

[dafmad]

Well I’m glad to see this one brought up again, cos I didn’t seem to get much a response when I tried to bring it to you lots attention. trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p … ght=#48691
Excellent keep em running.

[fred_kanka]

Yea,Exactly!
Someone uses his power to make you doing illegal and reports a Problem whit his Driver if you dont go his Way.
Just see my new Topic about my Problem yesterday Evening.
I mean,if needed will most one do the Job as Recwired,but when i can do the Job legal,to getmade doing a Offence makes my sad and bad
I wouldnt say if someone could give a copy of that Law,but,they couldn,t
trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10800

Conor:
Send them this e-mail - I have.

Dear Sir,

My name is Mr.xxxx xxxxxx, my address is xxxxxxxxxxx

I am employed as an agency driver. I notice from your website that you intend to hold personal information about agency drivers.

From the following webpage:
depoelconsulting.com./add.htm

you intend to make this information publicly available for a subscription fee.

I HEREBY GIVE NOTICE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO HOLD ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ME.

Further to this, under the Data Protection Act, you are legally required to disclose all information you have on me should I demand to see it within 40 days of any request. I intend to exercise my rights under the Data Protection Act. Please forward the contact details of your Data Protection Officer so that I may submit a request in writing.

Services such as yours are despicable and I do not want any information about me held by yourselves. I am taking all possible steps to ensure as many drivers hear about this and also withdraw permission for you to hold information about them.

Yours truly,