The bloke who answered you has missed something I think. While it is true the extra shift on the Saturday could have been done on the same chart, 06:00 - 21:00 on Saturday is fine, your driver has had a daily rest period between the two Saturday shifts and the regulations clearly say a new 24 hour period starts on resuming work after a daily rest period.
If only you had said the second Saturday shift finished at 22:00, it would have been interesting to see his answer then. He has actually dodged answering whether 7 shifts between weekly rest periods is okay or not. He did however say
Anyway, your example of 7 charts in 6 days is right to a certain extent
so does this mean if it is only right to a certain extent it is also wrong to a certain extent? Or is it only because you didn’t use the same chart it is wrong, in his opinion?
We know it is okay to use more than six charts in six days, you could use 7, 8, 10, 12 or more if you used several different vehicles and they took different charts. Seven shifts in six days is the question and he dodged it.
So in summing up his answer introduces more questions and answers nothing.
Anyway, your example of 7 charts in 6 days is right to a certain extent - there’s no problem with the driving hours and rest times, but strictly speaking, your last 3 hours worth of driving on the Saturday should be recorded on the first chart for that day. A tachograph record is a record of a driver’s work for a 24 hour period, and in this case, that 24 hour period started at 0600 hours.
Why would you need to use the same chart as the first Saturday shift when you’ve clearly had a 9 hour reduced daily rest period before starting the evening shift ?
Anyway, your example of 7 charts in 6 days is right to a certain extent - there’s no problem with the driving hours and rest times, but strictly speaking, your last 3 hours worth of driving on the Saturday should be recorded on the first chart for that day. A tachograph record is a record of a driver’s work for a 24 hour period, and in this case, that 24 hour period started at 0600 hours.
Where did the plonka get that from - a 9 hour daily rest was taken before that so a new period of 24 hours starts
Anyway, your example of 7 charts in 6 days is right to a certain extent - there’s no problem with the driving hours and rest times, but strictly speaking, your last 3 hours worth of driving on the Saturday should be recorded on the first chart for that day. A tachograph record is a record of a driver’s work for a 24 hour period, and in this case, that 24 hour period started at 0600 hours.
Where did the plonka get that from - a 9 hour daily rest was taken before that so a new period of 24 hours starts
Hi rog
i mite be a 24 hour period but he is right about the fact that a chart last for 24 hours
Drivers shall use the record sheets every day on which they are driving, starting from the moment they take over the vehicle. The record sheet shall not be withdrawn before the end of the daily working period unless its withdrawal is otherwise authorized. No record sheet may be used to cover a period longer than that for which it is intended. When, as a result of being away from the vehicle, a driver is unable to use the equipment fitted to the vehicle, the periods of time indicated in paragraph 3, second indent (b), (c) and (d) below shall be entered on the sheet, either manually, by automatic recording or other means, legibly and without dirtying the sheet.
Yes, a chart CAN last for 24 hours and no more but a new one is used following a daily or weekly rest period - I suppose you could change the chart at every 24 hour point but why would you want to
sorry to drag this up from the depths of time but did delboy revcieve his other email answer?
im asking as we were talking about this the other day at work.
an example would be
finsish previous week at 1530 on saturday
start monday at 1000 (day 1) reduced rest of 43.5 hours
day 1 start at 1000 shift until 2100, remove tacho
day 2 start at 0800 shift until 2100, remove tacho
day 3 start at 0900 shift until 1300, remove tacho
start at 2200 shift until 0700, remove tacho,
day 4 start at 2000 shift until 2130, remove tacho
day 5 start at 0630 shift until 1930, remove tacho
day 6 start at 0700 shift until 1700, remove tacho and start full weekly rest incl compensation of 1.5 hours from previous week total rest (total rest 59 hours before shift start of new week)
all driving hours and daily breaks have been complied with and even all WTD breaks have been done correctly.
in total only 6 24 hour periods ‘used’ but 7 cards used!
Lee G:
day 6 start at 0700 shift until 1700, remove tacho and start full weekly rest
Starting on Day 1 at 1000 means that your next weekly rest MUST start no later than 1000 on Day 7.
As you finished at 1700 on day 6 then that easily fits with 17 hours to spare.
17 hours!! - you could get another 8 hour shift in if you had 9 hour reduced daily rest available
That would make 8 cards legal in one week (but the weekly rest would need to be adjusted from your original)
Simple rule - you have 144 hours (6 X 24hours) from when you start after a weekly rest period to when you must start the next weekly rest period - as long as the daily rest periods and other EU + RT(WTD)R regs within that 144 hours are complied with then do what you want.
A thought to ponder - would this question still be asked if using a DIGI
Both analogue and DIGI have the same rules.
Lee G:
is that the conclusion we have come to on here or is that from the ‘masters or the regs’ Vosa (and i use that term loosely)?
From the VOSA expert -
geebee45 FROM HERE:
Must admit to getting totally lost trying to follow the different answers to the question. Hopefully this will clarify the situation;
Absolutely nothing wrong with having 7 ‘charts’ for 6 ‘days.’ A couple of things we have to make clear;
we are talking about a journey run under the EU rules contained in Council Regulation (EC) 561/2006. Between each ‘daily driving period’ there is a ‘daily rest period’ which will be at least 11 hours, or where allowed 9 hours. The total driving in the fixed week (00:00 Monday to 24:00 the following Sunday) does not exceed 56 hours. The total of work & driving in the fixed week cannot exceed 60 hours. Between the end of the weekly rest and the start of the next weekly rest there may be a maximum of six 24 hour periods (144 hours) or put it another way; if you end a weekly rest at 06:00 Wednesday you must start your next weekly rest no later than 06:00 on Tuesday the following week.
This pattern of having more cards than days is typical of short shifts with not very much driving in them, used to see it with some market traders.
Lee G:
is that the conclusion we have come to on here or is that from the ‘masters or the regs’ Vosa (and i use that term loosely)?
Its far from the conclusion we have come to , but seeing as its only likeley to be VOSA who do the reporting for prosecution and its taken as gospel they say its ok then you’re highly unlikeley to be prosecuted for it.
Mike-C:
Another thought to ponder…if the regs mean you must have a weekly rest period after 144 hours , why don’t they say that?
I thought they did -
561/2006:
Article 8. 6.
A weekly rest period shall start no later than at the end of six 24-hour periods from the end of the previous weekly rest period.
I know my maths aint perfect but according to me and my calculator 6 X 24 = 144
Mike-C:
Another thought to ponder…if the regs mean you must have a weekly rest period after 144 hours , why don’t they say that?
I thought they did -
561/2006:
Article 8. 6.
A weekly rest period shall start no later than at the end of six 24-hour periods from the end of the previous weekly rest period.
I know my maths aint perfect but according to me and my calculator 6 X 24 = 144
ROG, i’m sure your maths is great but they are two very different statements. In your calculation you omitted the equasion that a 24 hour period begins when you start work.
Lets go round the mulbery bush, the mulbery bush, the mulbery bush !!!
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I’m running a book on it this time, and the smart money is saying that there’ll be a slippering. 