Oh the irony, “ROG” an instructor and “tachograph”, knowing pig ■■■ about regulations. Perhaps you’re both dyslexic Or perhaps you’ve never read a legal or legasitive document before
Personnally I think it is unacceptable for the pair of you to spout such utter nonsence on a thread that well meaning but niave people might read and take your slant as gospel. Are you going to pay any fine incurred by your advice
Scotchbaz:
Personnally I think it is unacceptable for the pair of you to spout such utter nonsence on a thread that well meaning but niave people might read and take your slant as gospel. Are you going to pay any fine incurred by your advice
As we have already had the VOSA interpretation posted on here by someone from VOSA, someone who in fact trains other VOSA officers, there aren’t going to be any fines in the UK and pretty much makes tachograph’s and ROG’s slant indeed gospel in this country.
Scotchbaz:
Personnally I think it is unacceptable for the pair of you to spout such utter nonsence on a thread that well meaning but niave people might read and take your slant as gospel. Are you going to pay any fine incurred by your advice
As we have already had the VOSA interpretation posted on here by someone from VOSA, someone who in fact trains other VOSA officers, there aren’t going to be any fines in the UK and pretty much makes tachograph’s and ROG’s slant indeed gospel in this country.
Only problem here though is that the OP was going abroad !!!
I was glad it got resurected, i agree with Baz . Did Del ever get an answer back from the TC i wonder?
Mike-C:
Only problem here though is that the OP was going abroad !!!
Indeed he was, and the advice pretty much all the way through the thread is not to do it abroad. I had a conversation with two Belgian coppers last Thursday in Jabbeke srvices about this topic and their advice was more than 6 shifts without a weekly rest and you will be in trouble and they were surprised the UK authorities saw it differently. I’m going to ask Dutch and German officers first chance I get.
Mike-C:
I was glad it got resurected, i agree with Baz . Did Del ever get an answer back from the TC i wonder?
I think if he had he would have posted it, I’d be interested to know though.
Scotchbaz:
Personnally I think it is unacceptable for the pair of you to spout such utter nonsence on a thread that well meaning but niave people might read and take your slant as gospel. Are you going to pay any fine incurred by your advice
As we have already had the VOSA interpretation posted on here by someone from VOSA, someone who in fact trains other VOSA officers, there aren’t going to be any fines in the UK and pretty much makes tachograph’s and ROG’s slant indeed gospel in this country.
Only problem here though is that the OP was going abroad !!!
I was glad it got resurected, i agree with Baz . Did Del ever get an answer back from the TC i wonder?
All my flippancy aside, I really do believe that the various enforcement authorities around the EU need to get their heads together and come to a common contentious. To have agencies “interpreting” the regulations in differing ways does not bode well for the humble international trucker. I have fired off two emails, one to commercial vehicle enforcement at the DFT and another to VOSA asking them to clarify the situation publicly. That was on Wednesday and what a surprise, still no reply from either.
Scotchbaz:
I really do believe that the various enforcement authorities around the EU need to get their heads together and come to a common contentious. To have agencies “interpreting” the regulations in differing ways does not bode well for the humble international trucker.
Totally agree.
Scotchbaz:
I have fired off two emails, one to commercial vehicle enforcement at the DFT and another to VOSA asking them to clarify the situation publicly. That was on Wednesday and what a surprise, still no reply from either.
You might get better results from your MEP as it is an EU issue.
Could I take this opportunity to implore every member of TNUK to email their local MEP, the DfT, VOSA, local TC’s and local MP’s in the hope that we can bring this matter to a head. The more of us who do this, the more chance we have of getting a definitive answer, to what is in our industry, a very important question of legality. This issue is quite probably without president and in a much as TNUK is quite a good tool, this could well be the founders crowning moment of glory. All thanks to a legitimate question by “BuzzardBoy”, which has been exhaustively argued in these pages. So come on, lets get this sorted once and for all……
I actually had a query about this some time back and sought advice from Tachodisc
The law states you cannot work more than 6 consecutive days without a weekly rest, there is no limit to the amount of shifts you work during those 6 days as long as the legally required breaks and rest periods are taken and complied with.
If it means 7 cards are used or even 8 cards are used its legal, as long as it’s not more than 6 consecutive days, a day is defined as a 24 hr period not a shift.
In the days before the modern standard was set, there were at least 2 types of tachograph design. The Veeder Root and Lucas Kienzle used totally different cards that were not interchangeable, so in the case of a driver having to swap vehicles during a shift he would have to use 2 cards per day.
It doesn’t change the fact that EU law states you cannot work more than 6 consecutive days though
Davey Driver:
a day is defined as a 24 hr period not a shift.
Correct, and we know a new 24 hour period commences everytime you resume you duty after a weekly or daily rest period. So i’m thinking you have to take a weekly rest after six of these 24 hour periods. And that is in keeping with the previous statement of …“after no more than six driving periods”.
Thanks for the suggestion, I’ve just fired one off to Glenis Willmott MEP, and I wait with baited breath.