Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30.
WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE & EU DRIVERS’ HOURS RULE — QUICK GUIDE
WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE - BREAKS
Before 6 hours duty expires you must take a minimum break of 15 mins
If you work more than 6 hours, but do not exceed 9 hours you must take another minimum break of 15 mins
30 MINS IN TOTAL
If you work more than 9 hours, but do not exceed 12 hours, you must take another minimum break of 15 mins 45 MINS IN TOTAL
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30.
WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE & EU DRIVERS’ HOURS RULE — QUICK GUIDE
WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE - BREAKS
Before 6 hours duty expires you must take a minimum break of 15 mins
If you work more than 6 hours, but do not exceed 9 hours you must take another minimum break of 15 mins
30 MINS IN TOTAL
If you work more than 9 hours, but do not exceed 12 hours, you must take another minimum break of 15 mins 45 MINS IN TOTAL
For the working time regulations you need to have a 15 minute break before going over 6 hours working time not before reaching 6 hours duty time.
If you work more than 9 hours working time you need to have a total of 45 minutes break/breaks regardless of whether or not you go over 12 hours working time.
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
WTD mucker , must have arf hour every 6 hrs worked , that’s what’s been picked up there : )
Nope
Actrosman:
nick2008:
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
you broke the WTD as long as you did over 6hrs with only 18 mins probably
Guess I’ll get another point today then as I only had 22 mins break on the way back in a 6.5hr shift…and that’ll be another piece of paper they’ll want me to sign saying ‘has the infringement been a explained to you’!! Duly filed in the shredder! Can’t wait for next week when I’m in the Big Comfy Chair for my ‘talk’ on the subject by a bloke who thinks the minimum daily rest for drivers is 45 minutes…and apparently holds an International CPC
Yep. Between 6 and 9hrs must have 30 mins of break - minimum 15 before exceeding 6hrs working time, but must have 30 in total if working between 6 and 9hrs.
Winseer:
There are no odd seconds - only whole minutes rounded up from when you actually stopped. Be stationary at 4:29 - or else.
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You wanna try driving some more modern trucks! Mine is two years old and has a tacho that measures in seconds
Hmm. I do indeed drive these 59-62 plates that yet appear to have these old fashioned tachos of which you speak… I’ve not driven a 64 plate yet I must admit.
I’ve not seen a tacho that measures in seconds yet either.
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
WTD mucker , must have arf hour every 6 hrs worked , that’s what’s been picked up there : )
Nope
Actrosman:
nick2008:
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
you broke the WTD as long as you did over 6hrs with only 18 mins probably
Guess I’ll get another point today then as I only had 22 mins break on the way back in a 6.5hr shift…and that’ll be another piece of paper they’ll want me to sign saying ‘has the infringement been a explained to you’!! Duly filed in the shredder! Can’t wait for next week when I’m in the Big Comfy Chair for my ‘talk’ on the subject by a bloke who thinks the minimum daily rest for drivers is 45 minutes…and apparently holds an International CPC
Yep. Between 6 and 9hrs must have 30 mins of break - minimum 15 before exceeding 6hrs working time, but must have 30 in total if working between 6 and 9hrs.
You should know this crap by now Actrosman
So with the breaks I’ve had, I can’t see where I’ve done wrong…minimum 15 before 6 hrs, shift finished before 9hrs so the 2nd bit isn’t needed or have I read on here wrongly?
Winseer:
There are no odd seconds - only whole minutes rounded up from when you actually stopped. Be stationary at 4:29 - or else.
:
You wanna try driving some more modern trucks! Mine is two years old and has a tacho that measures in seconds
Hmm. I do indeed drive these 59-62 plates that yet appear to have these old fashioned tachos of which you speak… I’ve not driven a 64 plate yet I must admit.
I’ve not seen a tacho that measures in seconds yet either.
Oh, fair enough. They make a huge difference that’s for sure. I just assume they were fitted to all new trucks. We even fitted them to older trucks they were that much better.
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
WTD mucker , must have arf hour every 6 hrs worked , that’s what’s been picked up there : )
Nope
Actrosman:
nick2008:
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
you broke the WTD as long as you did over 6hrs with only 18 mins probably
Guess I’ll get another point today then as I only had 22 mins break on the way back in a 6.5hr shift…and that’ll be another piece of paper they’ll want me to sign saying ‘has the infringement been a explained to you’!! Duly filed in the shredder! Can’t wait for next week when I’m in the Big Comfy Chair for my ‘talk’ on the subject by a bloke who thinks the minimum daily rest for drivers is 45 minutes…and apparently holds an International CPC
Yep. Between 6 and 9hrs must have 30 mins of break - minimum 15 before exceeding 6hrs working time, but must have 30 in total if working between 6 and 9hrs.
You should know this crap by now Actrosman
So with the breaks I’ve had, I can’t see where I’ve done wrong…minimum 15 before 6 hrs, shift finished before 9hrs so the 2nd bit isn’t needed or have I read on here wrongly?
Yeah mate, you’ve read wrongly.
If you work BETWEEN 6 and 9hrs, then you require 30 mins break, doesn’t matter if you WORK 6hrs 2 mins, you’d still need 30 mins break.
So, minimum 15 mins before 6hrs, and another minimum 15 mins before you finish - this must have some ‘other work’ or ‘driving’ separating it from the end of your shift.
In your example above, you’re literally getting an infringement for 8mins, because you’ve had 22mins break, 6hrs 30 - 22 mins # 6hrs 08 mins… Still over 6hrs though, so needs another 15 mins break.
Daft I know, but that’s the law - well, Working Time Directive anyway, nobody really gives a crap about it.
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
you broke the WTD as long as you did over 6hrs with only 18 mins probably
You can take 15mins at 6hrs WTD and work an additional 3 hrs before required another break
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
you broke the WTD as long as you did over 6hrs with only 18 mins probably
You can take 15mins at 6hrs WTD and work an additional 6 hrs before required another break
Actrosman:
I had one the other week for only taking an 18 minute break in a 7.5hr shift…card in at 19:00, break started at 23:32 & finished at 23:50 (obviously) with only 3hrs 40 driving…Booked off at 01:30. Our in-house system gave me 1 point for that…get to 6 and I get councilling!
You fell foul of the WTD laws, because you’d done over 6 hours work and were therefore required to take a minimum of 30 minutes break. Fifteen of these must be taken before (or when) the first six hours is up; had you taken a 30 minute break instead of 18 I think you’d have been OK.
Edit; just noticed that Coffee has posted something above which seems to contradict what I’ve been told by our in-house Gestapo. Can you clarify please?
Actrosman:
Edit; just noticed that Coffee has posted something above which seems to contradict what I’ve been told by our in-house Gestapo. Can you clarify please?
If you take a 15 minute WTD break at 6 hours work then thE next WTD break will be required after another 6 hours work or before the end of the shift, whichever comes first. There is no requirement anywhere in the WTD regs to take a break before exceeding 9 hours work.
So…going on my example and what Coffee has said, by NOT taking another 15 minimum break before I finished at 01:30 and what I read over in the Safety, Law & WTD area (where there is a reply via email on a similar matter in the '6hr break thread) I fall foul of ‘the rules’ because, although I haven’t worked up to 9hrs, I need the other 15 before I finish my shift (even though I will be starting my D/R) and not as I see it 'I will be finished before 9hrs is up so therefore, I won’t need to have another break ‘even though it says I can have then next 15 at a later time, as long as my breaks total 30mins within 9hrs’? Long and short of it is…do I need that extra 15, even though I’m only on duty for another 1.5 hours? And our lot don’t specify in taking 30 in one hit
Actrosman:
So…going on my example and what Coffee has said, by NOT taking another 15 minimum break before I finished at 01:30 and what I read over in the Safety, Law & WTD area (where there is a reply via email on a similar matter in the '6hr break thread) I fall foul of ‘the rules’ because, although I haven’t worked up to 9hrs, I need the other 15 before I finish my shift (even though I will be starting my D/R) and not as I see it 'I will be finished before 9hrs is up so therefore, I won’t need to have another break ‘even though it says I can have then next 15 at a later time, as long as my breaks total 30mins within 9hrs’? Long and short of it is…do I need that extra 15, even though I’m only on duty for another 1.5 hours? And our lot don’t specify in taking 30 in one hit
Cheers for that Wayne…what a croc! 30 in Leigh Delamere e/b in future then, hour and 5 from there to base, allow 15-20 on paperwork and start 17.5 hour (or so) daily rest!!
Actrosman:
Edit; just noticed that Coffee has posted something above which seems to contradict what I’ve been told by our in-house Gestapo. Can you clarify please?
If you take a 15 minute WTD break at 6 hours work then thE next WTD break will be required after another 6 hours work or before the end of the shift, whichever comes first. There is no requirement anywhere in the WTD regs to take a break before exceeding 9 hours work.
Thanks. But it seems that you DO need to take another break of at least 15 minutes before the end of the shift anyway, regardless of whether or not you’ve completed six hours on the second bit.
I’ve fallen foul of this one myself; with having to comply with this AND driving regs, is it any wonder that we get confused? The most farcical situation I’ve been in so far, is having to stop and take a 15 minute WTD break just before getting back to my base, having been held up by traffic. Effectively this meant that allowing for the total duration of the stop (slowing down, stopping lorry, changing mode then pulling away again) I spent twenty minutes more twiddling my thumbs in a crappy FM day cab in a layby and twenty minutes less at home with my feet up having a proper rest. Like many of you we get points for infractions and it just gives the suits an excuse to make your life a misery in the name of “compliance”. I’d have much more respect for it if there had actually been any prosecutions for breach of WTD regs.
It’s no wonder we sometimes consider the law an ■■■.
Actrosman:
Edit; just noticed that Coffee has posted something above which seems to contradict what I’ve been told by our in-house Gestapo. Can you clarify please?
If you take a 15 minute WTD break at 6 hours work then thE next WTD break will be required after another 6 hours work or before the end of the shift, whichever comes first. There is no requirement anywhere in the WTD regs to take a break before exceeding 9 hours work.
Thanks. But it seems that you DO need to take another break of at least 15 minutes before the end of the shift anyway, regardless of whether or not you’ve completed six hours on the second
Yeah, that’s what I said. The next break will be after another 6 hours work OR the end of the shift, whichever comes first.
If I had taken 18 minutes and knowing I was going to do over 6 hours work, but not reach 4.5 hours driving, I would have just let that go to 30 minutes and be done with it.
If you are lucky enough to drive an MAN, your tachograph will add a whole minute of driving time, for every part minute that you move. This may sound trivial, and I forgive you your shrug of ‘so what’.
But think what that means when you are forced to stop/ start, like in a queue, say at a RDC.
You stop on arrival, and the tachograph is into a minute. That is added (rounded up) to your time. You stop in the queue. The queue moves up, you start driving, for what, 50 foot? Less than 10 seconds? The clock runs. When you next move for a minute, the tachograph will add two.
This week I started outside Coca Colas Wakefield depot, straight in, hook up trailer, straight on bay, straight out, out of gate, 32 minutes driving time on the tachograph…
