Judging by what is happening in France with these illegals I think DCPC should include unarmed combat, weapons training, martial arts and search techniques.
viking7000:
Judging by what is happening in France with these illegals I think DCPC should include unarmed combat, weapons training, martial arts and search techniques.
I always found that when they saw me tapping a baseball bat on the steering wheel while driving towards the ferry terminal had the desired effect. 
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.
Out of interest, did you?
DCPC’s going nowhere, for those that want an easy life the simplest thing to do is bite your lip, accept it’s a waste of money and get on with it.
Olog Hai:
robroy:
it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.Out of interest, did you?
Why, when, where, and how I did or did not get my DCPC is not up for discussion bud, suffice to say.
Olog Hai:
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.Out of interest, did you?
DCPC’s going nowhere, for those that want an easy life the simplest thing to do is bite your lip, accept it’s a waste of money and get on with it.
Those with a vested interest in supporting the training industry and weak people who’ve handed money over, for something they agree is a waste if time, are fond of repeating this mantra but the only strong reason against it being scrapped is the people who have already forked out and wasted time on it and this didn’t stop them as far as mechanics and fitters were concerned.
Come Christmas there will only have to be a few supermarket shelves looking a bit empty and it will either be gone or postponed quicker than you can say general election coming.
Before anyone starts on again about how they know a driver that isn’t an expert on hours regs and needs training, the whole thing was never about any idea that existing drivers needed more training it was about attracting more young drivers into the industry. It has not done so and there must be a suspicion it has actually been a further deterrent.
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.
This is incorrect… The Dutch deadline has always been Sept. 2016 for their LGV drivers. No extension - just a different deadline to the UK & most other EU Member states!!!
Daz1970:
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.This is incorrect… The Dutch deadline has always been Sept. 2016 for their LGV drivers. No extension - just a different deadline to the UK & most other EU Member states!!!
Yeh that’s right bud, but if you look back I did say in the next post that I could (and as it turned out did 
) pick him up wrong. 
It turned out that it was that Dutch drivers would not face an offence for DCPC enforcement for about 2 years or so after UK drivers will, and not as many drivers had completed it as in the UK he thought. (obviously because of this I suppose.)
So EVEN I am wrong sometimes 
, something for Conor to jump on anyway 
robroy:
Daz1970:
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.This is incorrect… The Dutch deadline has always been Sept. 2016 for their LGV drivers. No extension - just a different deadline to the UK & most other EU Member states!!!
Yeh that’s right bud, but if you look back I did say in the next post that I could (and as it turned out did
It turned out that it was that Dutch drivers would not face an offence for DCPC enforcement for about 2 years or so after UK drivers will, and not as many drivers had completed it as in the UK he thought. (obviously because of this I suppose.)
So EVEN I am wrong sometimes
No worries - nobody’s perfect, it’s a common misconception that other countries have ‘extended’ their DCPC deadlines and UK drivers always feel ‘hard done by’. The reality is this EU Directive allowed a certain amount of flexibility at the outset - giving all EU member states the chance to vary the start date of DCPC Periodic Training. The date the DCPC needs to be completed is 5 years from that start date.
The UK ‘window’ opened in Sept. 2008 for PCV drivers & Sept. 2009 for LGV drivers. Germany, Holland and a few others used the latest available (I think!!) start dates of Sept. 2010 for PCV & Sept. 2011 for LGV. Therefore ALL drivers should have their DCPC by Sept. 2016. There is a full list on-line, I’ll look for a link.
Interestingly Norway & Switzerland (non-EU Member states) are doing DCPC voluntarily!!! Mad I know!!!
Here’s the link for the full doc. ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safe … ers_en.pdf
See Annex (on page 15)
Some countries have a complicated system in place relating to DCPC Periodic Training, using criteria such as driver’s date of birth & driver licence number, in an attempt to stagger the training - making the UK version straight-forward by comparison!!
robroy:
Olog Hai:
robroy:
it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.Out of interest, did you?
Why, when, where, and how I did or did not get my DCPC is not up for discussion bud, suffice to say.
I see. Message received loud and clear…
Own Account Driver:
Olog Hai:
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.Out of interest, did you?
DCPC’s going nowhere, for those that want an easy life the simplest thing to do is bite your lip, accept it’s a waste of money and get on with it.
Those with a vested interest in supporting the training industry and weak people who’ve handed money over, for something they agree is a waste if time, are fond of repeating this mantra but the only strong reason against it being scrapped is the people who have already forked out and wasted time on it and this didn’t stop them as far as mechanics and fitters were concerned.
Come Christmas there will only have to be a few supermarket shelves looking a bit empty and it will either be gone or postponed quicker than you can say general election coming.
Before anyone starts on again about how they know a driver that isn’t an expert on hours regs and needs training, the whole thing was never about any idea that existing drivers needed more training it was about attracting more young drivers into the industry. It has not done so and there must be a suspicion it has actually been a further deterrent.
Easy to make assumptions isn’t it? I’ve not paid a penny towards any DCPC training, nor will I be in the future for the simple reason that I don’t need to.
Ive done all mine, and not 1 bit off 1st aid!!!
the company where I work do the tacho cpc every year as the others, especially the health and safety and the efficient driving, are a complete waste of space. wont go into the whys and why nots as im sure most of you already know why
robroy:
muckles:
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.The Dutch like some other Countries, such as Germany have always had a 2016 deadline for HGV drivers, the lack of uptake of courses in those Countries is probably because the deadline is to far away for most to worry. bit like the UK a couple of years ago.
Yeh ok, maybe I got the version wrong mate, I thought that their deadline was similar to ours, but the phone conversation with the Dutch lad was in the pub with a couple of pints of Smiths on board at my end and God knows how many bottles of Grolsch at the other end
No problem with the misunderstanding, and a few pints of something alcoholic is probably the best way to have any conversations about the DCPC,
Olog Hai:
Own Account Driver:
Olog Hai:
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.Out of interest, did you?
DCPC’s going nowhere, for those that want an easy life the simplest thing to do is bite your lip, accept it’s a waste of money and get on with it.
Those with a vested interest in supporting the training industry and weak people who’ve handed money over, for something they agree is a waste if time, are fond of repeating this mantra but the only strong reason against it being scrapped is the people who have already forked out and wasted time on it and this didn’t stop them as far as mechanics and fitters were concerned.
Come Christmas there will only have to be a few supermarket shelves looking a bit empty and it will either be gone or postponed quicker than you can say general election coming.
Before anyone starts on again about how they know a driver that isn’t an expert on hours regs and needs training, the whole thing was never about any idea that existing drivers needed more training it was about attracting more young drivers into the industry. It has not done so and there must be a suspicion it has actually been a further deterrent.
Easy to make assumptions isn’t it? I’ve not paid a penny towards any DCPC training, nor will I be in the future for the simple reason that I don’t need to.
Yes, well there’s another person on here happy to proffer their views and hasn’t been behind the wheel of a truck in five years.
Daz1970:
robroy:
Daz1970:
robroy:
I spoke to a Dutch driver mate of mine, he told me that the DCPC deadline has been extended in the NL, as there are so many drivers at this point in time that will be unable to meet it. It appears that these guys did not bow to the pressure, it’s a pity drivers in the UK did not follow the example.This is incorrect… The Dutch deadline has always been Sept. 2016 for their LGV drivers. No extension - just a different deadline to the UK & most other EU Member states!!!
Yeh that’s right bud, but if you look back I did say in the next post that I could (and as it turned out did
It turned out that it was that Dutch drivers would not face an offence for DCPC enforcement for about 2 years or so after UK drivers will, and not as many drivers had completed it as in the UK he thought. (obviously because of this I suppose.)
So EVEN I am wrong sometimesNo worries - nobody’s perfect, it’s a common misconception that other countries have ‘extended’ their DCPC deadlines and UK drivers always feel ‘hard done by’. The reality is this EU Directive allowed a certain amount of flexibility at the outset - giving all EU member states the chance to vary the start date of DCPC Periodic Training. The date the DCPC needs to be completed is 5 years from that start date.
The UK ‘window’ opened in Sept. 2008 for PCV drivers & Sept. 2009 for LGV drivers. Germany, Holland and a few others used the latest available (I think!!) start dates of Sept. 2010 for PCV & Sept. 2011 for LGV. Therefore ALL drivers should have their DCPC by Sept. 2016. There is a full list on-line, I’ll look for a link.
Interestingly Norway & Switzerland (non-EU Member states) are doing DCPC voluntarily!!! Mad I know!!!
I think there were concerns they would lose potential drivers to neighbouring countries as the driving jobs would be perceived as more prestigious. The authorities really did (possibly still do) believe that the DCPC qualification makes lorry driving a significantly more attractive job to young people.
I would imagine that an ex driver who, like myself, hasn’t driven a truck for several years due to a change of job (11+ in my case but still have a class 2) would surely learn SOMETHING from the DCCP? In that time the hours have changed , digi tachos have come in,(not a clue about those!) POA has landed, you can no longer use ‘other work’ when driving around a quarry etc so I would certainly benefit from it if I choose to take it. You can never know everything, no matter what you think, however it does appear to be a drawn out affair and not cheap either so I can see why some of the older lads are reluctant to do it.
Pete.
windrush:
I would imagine that an ex driver who, like myself, hasn’t driven a truck for several years due to a change of job (11+ in my case but still have a class 2) would surely learn SOMETHING from the DCCP? In that time the hours have changed , digi tachos have come in,(not a clue about those!) POA has landed, you can no longer use ‘other work’ when driving around a quarry etc so I would certainly benefit from it if I choose to take it. You can never know everything, no matter what you think, however it does appear to be a drawn out affair and not cheap either so I can see why some of the older lads are reluctant to do it.Pete.
They would probably tell you something about all that stuff. Whether or not it is correct would be a different matter. If you were going back to work as an employed driver the best people to provide the right training for the job is the company that’s employing you to do it.
That is a big weakness with DCPC that it runs a very real risk of muddying the water, with unrelated info, for drivers that are doing the job perfectly safely already. Despite being a big cheerleader for DCPC even the FTA concede this has often been the case.
Own Account Driver:
Yes, well there’s another person on here happy to proffer their views and hasn’t been behind the wheel of a truck in five years.
Yeh he has gone a bit quiet aint he
Give me a second and I will set out some bait
Right here goes.
I think there is no need for DCPC as I have done this job for bloody years and know everything about it,… by the way can anybody tell me if I can do a 15 hour spreadover/10hr driving every day for 7 days■■?
That should bring him out
robroy:
‘…Be careful what you wish for as it could come back and bite you on the arse…’
Excellent point, Rob
The state that it’s currently in adequatley demonstrates that with all variables (as associated with diversity - eg, democratic; socio-political; one-limbed; learning difficulties; partially-sighted; hearing impaired, etc) being even considerately factored-in, I reckon an EU-wide DCPC is destined to surely always be an inedibly grey, hopeless and expensive soup - even though it may mean well 
I mean, I ‘mean well’ too - but see how I rattle dudes on here