ukweedkiller:
the company where I work do the tacho cpc every year as the others, especially the health and safety and the efficient driving, are a complete waste of space. wont go into the whys and why nots as im sure most of you already know why
Efficient driving is never a waste of space because there’s lots of lorry drivers who don’t know how to drive economically and have only been saved to some extent by automatic boxes becoming the norm.
Conor:
‘… Efficient driving is never a waste of space…’
Maybe for O/D’s, but purely fuelwise (although I know other factors exist) it has become a waste for me in my corporate slug, eg:
1 The combo goes even slower with me saving maybe a teaspoon: The company pumps drip more than I save
2 It must surely wind up & obstruct other road users even more by my faff
3 It gets me home later
4 It earns scant thanks (not that we ever work for those, eh)
5 “Fuel bonus”? What fuel bonus? (- although lead-booted klutzes assessed as “red” apparently get a PC kicking)
6 Conclusion is that given that I accept being only a tiny ■■■ within the profit generating mechanism, the effort aint worth the nause of being a sniggered-at company idiot
“…Know what you can do (eg, get home sane)
Know what you can’t do (eg, expect the UK transport industry & its bean-attendants to shrug off their abusive hypocrisy)
And vive le difference…”
Anon
I know a few lads who haven’t even done a module yet,one is convinced the deadline is going to be extended…I think a few blokes are going to get caught out with this.
On a plus point iv finished mine and in my experience it all depends which training school you use as to what you learn.
yorkshire terrier:
,one is convinced the deadline is going to be extended.
Which is never going to happen, they have already had 5 years to do something about it.
The same ■■■■■■■■ was spouted in the bus and coach industry.The deadline was not extended and a few guys were caught with their pants down.If you intend to remain a commercial driver you had better get it done.
It’s been on the cards since 2002. After 14 years to prepare for it do you really think they’ll extend it?
Just last year there were various posts from all the billy big balls saying how they weren’t going to do it. These same people are now realising it is happening and don’t have the money or can’t find the courses to do it. Tough luck to them.
m1cks:
It’s been on the cards since 2002. After 14 years to prepare for it do you really think they’ll extend it?
Just last year there were various posts from all the billy big balls saying how they weren’t going to do it. These same people are now realising it is happening and don’t have the money or can’t find the courses to do it. Tough luck to them.
Yes the firm iv just done my last module with are now nearly fully booked up.
I’m not a big fan of the dcpc but if the training was done the right way I’m sure most of us could benefit
If the DCPC was reduced from 35hrs to say at least 20hrs so courses would only be 4hrs long tops there would be a better chance of more drivers taking in relevant info to them, and storing it, then the current 7hrs where it just goes in one ear and out the other,as people just become bored & switch off
But that would mean less money for government(robbing upload fees @£43.75 per person 5x 7hrs) and less money to the training providers So i don’t see that happening , Another example how this DCPC isn’t about making the roads safer
example a DCPC training centre charges £50.00 each 7hr module and a class can hold say 15 people
So each full class makes the government £131.25 (£8.75 x15) per each 7hr module
And makes the training provider a total of £618.75 for a class of 15 people each 7hrs module, before running costs ect,
And for the full 35hrs each driver would make them £206.25 after the upload fees are deducted .Example for 15 drivers &35hrs = £3093.75
Of course this amount increases the higher the fee per module and numbers in each class, it’s definitely a numbers game
alamcculloch:
The same ■■■■■■■■ was spouted in the bus and coach industry.The deadline was not extended and a few guys were caught with their pants down.If you intend to remain a commercial driver you had better get it done.
It’s not really the same as the bus and coach, in reality. There are still a surprising number of restricted licence operators with significant fleets that have either not even heard of DCPC, do not think it applies to them or, as the original legislation intended, expected driver’s to organise their own training and they have not.
It’s past the point of no return. If it doesn’t create issues that are visible to the shopping public in September it certainly will at Christmas. I think we will almost certainly be looking at either a blind-eye turned to not having it, extension of grandfather rights or I still would not rule out it being massively reformed or scrapped entirely.
Didn’t like doing it but… I have done a first aid course which may prove very handy one day. I now have a forklift certificate which I wouldn’t have bothered with. I did learn some bits I didnt realise on the tacho course If I’m honest I do more daily checks than I ever used to. So on that basis I suppose it’s not been a total waste.
Good or Bad who cares, glad ive done my 35 hours so i can carry on doing what i love (dont know why 
) to earn a decent wage after September!!!
tommy t:
‘…If the DCPC was reduced from 35hrs to say at least 20hrs…’
Such stuff would have been addressed if a proper Training Needs Analysis been carried out for UK-specific needs.
Because that basic aspect was brushed aside (by a lick-spittle conveyor belt of UK pro-EU Governments) our professional (shall we poncily call it?) “development” has been neglected, abused & stuffed
midlifetrucker:
Didn’t like doing it but… I have done a first aid course which may prove very handy one day. I now have a forklift certificate which I wouldn’t have bothered with.
I can maybe see why a first aid course could apply generally to a DCPC, but a FLT course? or was it for a kooiap/moffet truck mounted type?
robroy:
midlifetrucker:
Didn’t like doing it but… I have done a first aid course which may prove very handy one day. I now have a forklift certificate which I wouldn’t have bothered with.I can maybe see why a first aid course could apply generally to a DCPC, but a FLT course? or was it for a kooiap/moffet truck mounted type?
Nope it was a two day counter balance fork lift certificate. I suppose if you think about it it makes sense. I visit a lot of farms and often it’s load yourself or no one about. After doing my first module on driver well being and safety in the workplace I nearly lost the will to live during the seven hours. I decided then if I have to do it I chose 4 more that were mildly interesting or of use.
midlifetrucker:
robroy:
midlifetrucker:
Didn’t like doing it but… I have done a first aid course which may prove very handy one day. I now have a forklift certificate which I wouldn’t have bothered with.I can maybe see why a first aid course could apply generally to a DCPC, but a FLT course? or was it for a kooiap/moffet truck mounted type?
Nope it was a two day counter balance fork lift certificate. I suppose if you think about it it makes sense. I visit a lot of farms and often it’s load yourself or no one about. After doing my first module on driver well being and safety in the workplace I nearly lost the will to live during the seven hours. I decided then if I have to do it I chose 4 more that were mildly interesting or of use.
I know flt is an aspect of the job, as well as a potentially different occupation, but in the same vein so is servicing, so by that criteria if you took a basic mechanic/fitter course would that also count?
Come on Conor mate, put me out of my misery 
I’ve gave you plenty opportunity by asking what you could interperet as silly questions, and have made criticising comments on this thread about you, 2to3 pages back… and still no response to my opinion of your posting and accusations! 
I’ll let you all know my views on the DCPC come the end week as Ive got my 35 hrs training starting Monday…Not sure what to expect considering I passed my class 1 back in 2008…
So one could say Im a complete novice, have done very little driving during late 2008 but nothing since due to a back injury…
Pretty well much kept my self up to date with the WTD and Driver’s hr rules but then when I passed my test we didn’t have such training as using a tacho, securing loads…
Im just going with an open mind and to get my 35hrs,so I can drive legally
robroy:
midlifetrucker:
robroy:
midlifetrucker:
Didn’t like doing it but… I have done a first aid course which may prove very handy one day. I now have a forklift certificate which I wouldn’t have bothered with.I can maybe see why a first aid course could apply generally to a DCPC, but a FLT course? or was it for a kooiap/moffet truck mounted type?
Nope it was a two day counter balance fork lift certificate. I suppose if you think about it it makes sense. I visit a lot of farms and often it’s load yourself or no one about. After doing my first module on driver well being and safety in the workplace I nearly lost the will to live during the seven hours. I decided then if I have to do it I chose 4 more that were mildly interesting or of use.
I know flt is an aspect of the job, as well as a potentially different occupation, but in the same vein so is servicing, so by that criteria if you took a basic mechanic/fitter course would that also count?
You could if you could find a JAUPT-approved course covering that subject. But given they can spend 7 hours doing the walk-round check, you’d probably get as far as changing the oil in a week!
GasGas:
But given they can spend 7 hours doing the walk-round check, you’d probably get as far as changing the oil in a week!
Our fitter changes the oil in a couple of hours - including a break 
In the unionised bus garages of the 1970s, changing the oil was a 2-man job.
The unskilled man put the catch tank under the bus and removed the sump plug, while the skilled man watched.
Then, they both watched the oil drain out.
The skilled man changed the filters, put the sump plug back in and poured the oil in.
The unskilled man watched while the skilled man did his skilled stuff, then cleaned up any oil spills in an unskilled manner while the skilled man watched.
They then started on the next bus…or had a brew, or a union meeting, or went on strike…
GasGas:
They then started on the next bus…or had a brew, or a union meeting, or went on strike…
I’ve been out tonight (nominated driver ) and that last remark made up for it