A lot of the posrs on the 6 hour wtd break on here say its 15 mins and not 30mins. My mate done tacho cpc on sunday and was told its definately 30 min break after 6 hours work. So why are people saying its only 15 mins after 6 hours on here ?
Kerbdog:
A lot of the posrs on the 6 hour wtd break on here say its 15 mins and not 30mins. My mate done tacho cpc on sunday and was told its definately 30 min break after 6 hours work. So why are people saying its only 15 mins after 6 hours on here ?
In the way you said it then that is correct - between 6 and 9 hours of total work in a shift requires total breaks of 30 mins
The other bit of the rules is that no more than 6 hours of work can be done without a break
Breaks must be at least 15 mins
So …
Are you referring to the amount of total breaks required for the total work done in a shift 
OR
Are you referring the maximum time you can do without taking a minimum break
Has anyone been prosecuted for this nonsense yet?
Kerbdog:
My mate done tacho cpc on sunday and was told its definately 30 min break after 6 hours work.
Did he take this CPC in an RDC waiting room? 
Kerbdog:
So why are people saying its only 15 mins after 6 hours on here ?
Because that is what the regulations state.
Anyone who says it is a legal requirement to take 30min at the 6h work point has either not read the rules or read them and not understood them. Sadly this seems to also include a lot of DCPC instructors.
Paul
repton:
Kerbdog:
So why are people saying its only 15 mins after 6 hours on here ?Because that is what the regulations state.
Anyone who says it is a legal requirement to take 30min at the 6h work point has either not read the rules or read them and not understood them. Sadly this seems to also include a lot of DCPC instructors.
Paul
^^^^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^^^^
I think alot of drivers are getting mixed up with company policy and the law. I take 30 mins before 6 hours because that’s how the company want it, Im not going to argue with extra break as i get paid for them.
just take 15 min BETWEEN 0 and 6th hour, take 15 BETWEEN 6th hour and 9th hour and then 15 mins BETWEEN 9th and 15th hour and jobs done, but some if not alll of those breaks will also coinside with your tacho breaks as well, i just can’t work out why people get so woundup about the rtd regs 
wildfire:
just take 15 min BETWEEN 0 and 6th hour, take 15 BETWEEN 6th hour and 9th hour and then 15 mins BETWEEN 9th and 15th hour and jobs done, but some if not alll of those breaks will also coinside with your tacho breaks as well, i just can’t work out why people get so woundup about the rtd regs
No requirement to take 15 mins before 9th hour
At Tescos, you get a WTD infringement if you have not started a 30 minute break before you are 6 hours into the duty - regardless of how many actual driving hours you’ve done. If you do a 15 hour shift, you’d need to take another 30 minute break just before 12 hours in as well. Kinda buggers up any chance of going off for lunch having to split a break in this way, but it maybe possible to get away with 2x45 depending upon the tolerance of the office staff. 
ROG:
wildfire:
just take 15 min BETWEEN 0 and 6th hour, take 15 BETWEEN 6th hour and 9th hour and then 15 mins BETWEEN 9th and 15th hour and jobs done, but some if not alll of those breaks will also coinside with your tacho breaks as well, i just can’t work out why people get so woundup about the rtd regsNo requirement to take 15 mins before 9th hour
There is to have the 30 mins before 9 hour if you haven’t had any other break in that time, or am i missing your point?
DannyDoncaster:
ROG:
wildfire:
just take 15 min BETWEEN 0 and 6th hour, take 15 BETWEEN 6th hour and 9th hour and then 15 mins BETWEEN 9th and 15th hour and jobs done, but some if not alll of those breaks will also coinside with your tacho breaks as well, i just can’t work out why people get so woundup about the rtd regsNo requirement to take 15 mins before 9th hour
There is to have the 30 mins before 9 hour if you haven’t had any other break in that time, or am i missing your point?
No you haven’t missed anything, if you’re working time will not be over 9 hours then you need to have competed a total of 30 minutes before finishing the shift, the break cannot be at the very end of the shift.
If you’re working time is going to be more than 9 hours the 45 minute total break/breaks can be taken at any-time as long as you don’t go over 6 hours working time without a break.
tachograph:
DannyDoncaster:
ROG:
wildfire:
just take 15 min BETWEEN 0 and 6th hour, take 15 BETWEEN 6th hour and 9th hour and then 15 mins BETWEEN 9th and 15th hour and jobs done, but some if not alll of those breaks will also coinside with your tacho breaks as well, i just can’t work out why people get so woundup about the rtd regsNo requirement to take 15 mins before 9th hour
There is to have the 30 mins before 9 hour if you haven’t had any other break in that time, or am i missing your point?
No you haven’t missed anything, if you’re working time will not be over 9 hours then you need to have competed a total of 30 minutes before finishing the shift, the break cannot be at the very end of the shift.
That is because it would not be a break or an interruption at the end 
Wheel Nut:
tachograph:
DannyDoncaster:
ROG:
wildfire:
just take 15 min BETWEEN 0 and 6th hour, take 15 BETWEEN 6th hour and 9th hour and then 15 mins BETWEEN 9th and 15th hour and jobs done, but some if not alll of those breaks will also coinside with your tacho breaks as well, i just can’t work out why people get so woundup about the rtd regsNo requirement to take 15 mins before 9th hour
There is to have the 30 mins before 9 hour if you haven’t had any other break in that time, or am i missing your point?
No you haven’t missed anything, if you’re working time will not be over 9 hours then you need to have competed a total of 30 minutes before finishing the shift, the break cannot be at the very end of the shift.
That is because it would not be a break or an interruption at the end
Well it wouldn’t interrupt the working time which is why it wouldn’t count for the WTD, but it could still be a break, I’ve on more than one occasion started a shift with a long break because I don’t like using POA, the break won’t count for anything but it’s still break and I’ve still been paid for it
Kerbdog:
A lot of the posrs on the 6 hour wtd break on here say its 15 mins and not 30mins. My mate done tacho cpc on sunday and was told its definately 30 min break after 6 hours work. So why are people saying its only 15 mins after 6 hours on here ?
There never seems to be a simple way of explaining this. It definitly IS 30 minutes of break AFTER 6 hours of WORK (not duty). However, that 30 minutes can be taken in 15 minute chunks as long as they interrupt the work (cannot be taken at the end of the shift).
Here is the EXACT wording from the VOSA GV262 (and also PSV375 for coach/bus drivers)
Breaks:
— Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.
— If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
— If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
— Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration.
Where in there does it say take 30 minutes break after 6 hours work? it says work should be interrupted by’ A BREAK’ or ‘BREAKS TOTALLING’ 30 minutes
If you asked me a direct question - “How much break must you take after 6 hours of work?” I could answer “30 Minutes” and not be factually wrong, but then I would add on the end “But I could take this as two 15 minute breaks before the end of my working period” or words to that effect.
I have this problem constantly in DCPC sessions. I try to keep it simple and explain the rules on breaks. I tehn ask a few people “How much break do I need to take after 6 hours of work?” and 9 times out of 10 I get the reply “30 Minutes”. WHen asked why I always get a “My mate said …” or “My TM said …”
I still have people coming to DCPC sessions believing a 30 minute break is required after 6 hours on duty. i.e. I started at 06:00 so at 12:00 I have to have a 30 minute break. I can’t believe what is a relatively simple (compared to EU Rules) set of rules can cause so much grief.
So where did this DCPC training take place then? I’ll give them a call and explain
Breaks:
— Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.
— If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
— If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
— Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration.
the problem may be eased if they were in a different order and split up a little -
Breaks:
— Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.
— Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration.
— If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
— If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
As I have said many times the original legislation is written in French and then translated into everyone else’s language, it is bound to get slightly muddled by the time it gets back from the proof readers & printers.
NL) My boss, he buy me special car.
or
UK) I have been given the flagship vehicle to drive. 
A MMTM post about what a DCPC trainer said, some things are just wrong 
Basically you have to have taken 15 mins within the first six hours then another 15 mins in between 6-9 hours and you are covered. That’s sometimes how I work it. Never had infringement doin it this way.
podge:
Basically you have to have taken 15 mins within the first six hours then another 15 mins in between 6-9 hours and you are covered. That’s sometimes how I work it. Never had infringement doin it this way.
Nothing wrong with that but if the work (not duty) time is over 9 hours then there is no requirement to take that second 15 mins before the 9 hours
podge:
Basically you have to have taken 15 mins within the first six hours then another 15 mins in between 6-9 hours and you are covered. That’s sometimes how I work it. Never had infringement doin it this way.
Sorry to be pedantic but you have to have a 15 minute break before exceeding 6 hours working time, you don’t need to have taken a 15 minute break within the first 6 hours.
Just for clarity it’s not just the first 6 hours either, you should not work more than 6 hours working time without a break at any time during the shift