Would you take the truck back?

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Only thing for me in the above scenario are the practicalities.

Getting wound up about the request for an assessment on your own time does strike me as a bit much, a simple yes or no should suffice without making such an issue of it all. In some circumstances giving up a day’s earnings for an assessment and/or training could prove beneficial in the long run if the job is one you want to do and pays a reasonable rate (to you at least), burning bridges with both one (or more) clients of your agency and maybe your agency too, well, that’s your choice. Plenty of agencies out there as well as work, but the more bridges you burn by over-reacting, the less options you have available to you.

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I look at things like this, good fridge men are hard to find and are treat well. You are respected and looked after by your employers. You are trusted to do your job and they will back you up in the event of any problems with personnel on site, management or others. They will pull you off a job if you encounter any problems without hesitation. If your employer doesn’t give you any of these perks, you simply pack your tools up and walk away. Another job is yours the next day by picking up the phone. Because good employers realise this they don’t treat you like ■■■■. If drivers follow beavers stance and walk off like he did, you may find that employers won’t treat you like a doormat. I have agreed with beaver and his stance, the ones who say act more professional are really saying roll over and accept that the job and conditions are ■■■■. Your not acting like a professional by accepting these conditions, you are acting more professional by standing up and walking. Why should he have continued with the job and finished the day. Let them get the next mug to finish the day for these unscrupulous hauliers who think you are ten a penny. Beaver you have acted the way any self respecting person would have done, your no mug mate. Well done and more of it.

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Comparing our comfortable position with those who went to war etc for the benefit of the country/its inhabitants/the Free World?

Sorry Beaver, you really do need to get a grip on reality.

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eagerbeaver:
Some interesting replies so far folks, thanks for that.

There are a few predictable responses form the weak Borg, some sensible and measured thoughts from the middle ground and some militant and spirited comments from the militia :wink:

Maybe it’s from dealing with many family losses from a relatively young age, or maybe a different combination of experiences thus far in my life, I’m not sure…but I sure as hell don’t want to be old and look back on my life regretting not standing up for myself and/or others. There is no great purpose or mystery to life, it’s just a series of choices put before you based on certain efforts made or blind luck, but it strikes me as foolish to not really ever try on your one go to accomplish something.

Driving trucks doesn’t mean we should be treated like caged animals begging for a toilet key. It does not mean we should be grateful for wages that haven’t moved in 15 years. We should not be pleased as punch to manage to find a lay by for the night, or pay £3 for a bottled drink from motorway services.

Many courageous souls have given their lives over the years for the betterment of this country and it’s inhabitants. Why do we as drivers allow this to happen to us? We have a responsible and important job to do and there are THOUSANDS of us. If we can find a way to individually start protesting (even on a small scale like I have done), we can achieve change. If the THOUSANDS of us can organise ourselves properly, we can FORCE changes.

Let’s all reach down between our legs and discover what’s there. Picture yourselves in years to come REGRETTING not doing anything when you had the chance, and for heaven’s sake DO something about the job before it becomes a minimum wage lost cause :neutral_face:

Sheesh. Why does everyone have to be militant to be a man. I choose who I work for. If they are plonkers I don’t go back. Not worth the stress. If I go to a yard and someone gobs off at me or tries to belittle me I simply ask “What’s your problem? Please don’t speak to me like that, I have been polite to you” it normally works.

I work to pay the bills. I wouldn’t work another day if I could. No one holds a gun to your head to work anywhere. Culina or agency want an assessment. You don’t want to do it find a new agency.

I’ve learned by now that the hot headed swearing approach either makes people shut down and be awkward or leads to pointless aggression.

It’s not for everyone but suits me.

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Roymondo:
Comparing our comfortable position with those who went to war etc for the benefit of the country/its inhabitants/the Free World?

Sorry Beaver, you really do need to get a grip on reality.

Thing is mate you could apply that argument to anything from not getting a pay raise to having to live in a hut.

Yeh, those who fought in the war are owed a lot and have my respect.
Also our great Grandfathers who fought tooth and nail for worker’s rights by forming groups that unified together for said rights akaTrade Unions,.and for the abolition of Victorian style t.s and c.s are also owed a lot.
Problem is all, or at least most of those rights achieved by them, have been handed back to employers on a plate by many of their invertebrate descendants who are not fit to lick those old guy’s hobnail clogs, and/or those who look upon the concept of a union (with a small ‘u’) as out of the question, and an actual Trade Union as the Anti Christ… :bulb:

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Roymondo:
Comparing our comfortable position with those who went to war etc for the benefit of the country/its inhabitants/the Free World?

Sorry Beaver, you really do need to get a grip on reality.

My son in law is a Royal Marine. Totally agree

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robroy:

Roymondo:
Comparing our comfortable position with those who went to war etc for the benefit of the country/its inhabitants/the Free World?

Sorry Beaver, you really do need to get a grip on reality.

Thing is mate you could apply that argument to anything from not getting a pay raise to having to live in a hut.

Yeh, those who fought in the war are owed a lot and have my respect.
Also our great Grandfathers who fought tooth and nail for worker’s rights by forming groups that unified together for said rights akaTrade Unions,.and for the abolition of Victorian style t.s and c.s are also owed a lot.
Problem is all, or at least most of those rights achieved by them, have been handed back to employers on a plate by many of their invertebrate descendants who are not fit to lick those old guy’s hobnail clogs, and/or those who look upon the concept of a union (with a small ‘u’) as out of the question, and an actual Trade Union as the Anti Christ… :bulb:

I wouldn’t bother mate. He doesn’t get the point.
(In a previous life I took the OOA myself and was prepared to make the sacrifice if necessary) :unamused: Lot’s of spineless folk on here sadly.

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robroy:
Thing is mate you could apply that argument to anything from not getting a pay raise to having to live in a hut.

Yeh, those who fought in the war are owed a lot and have my respect.
Also our great Grandfathers who fought tooth and nail for worker’s rights by forming groups that unified together for said rights akaTrade Unions,.and for the abolition of Victorian style t.s and c.s are also owed a lot.
Problem is all, or at least most of those rights achieved by them, have been handed back to employers on a plate by many of their invertebrate descendants who are not fit to lick those old guy’s hobnail clogs, and/or those who look upon the concept of a union (with a small ‘u’) as out of the question, and an actual Trade Union as the Anti Christ… :bulb:

I don’t know who ‘they’ are. But ‘they’ know exactly how far they can push us & at what pace to make the changes.

We ARE the majority, yet we are powerless to stop their march.

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eagerbeaver:

robroy:

Roymondo:
Comparing our comfortable position with those who went to war etc for the benefit of the country/its inhabitants/the Free World?

Sorry Beaver, you really do need to get a grip on reality.

Thing is mate you could apply that argument to anything from not getting a pay raise to having to live in a hut.

Yeh, those who fought in the war are owed a lot and have my respect.
Also our great Grandfathers who fought tooth and nail for worker’s rights by forming groups that unified together for said rights akaTrade Unions,.and for the abolition of Victorian style t.s and c.s are also owed a lot.
Problem is all, or at least most of those rights achieved by them, have been handed back to employers on a plate by many of their invertebrate descendants who are not fit to lick those old guy’s hobnail clogs, and/or those who look upon the concept of a union (with a small ‘u’) as out of the question, and an actual Trade Union as the Anti Christ… :bulb:

I wouldn’t bother mate. He doesn’t get the point.
(In a previous life I took the OOA myself and was prepared to make the sacrifice if necessary) :unamused: Lot’s of spineless folk on here sadly.

Ah well, there you go - I only did 25 years for Queen and country, so clearly understand nothing about it. I think I can safely say that I put up with far more grief during those years than having an anonymous suit in a remote office question whether my driving was up to the required standard. Never felt the need to throw the job back in their face in a flounce, as there was always a sense of obligation - whether it be moral, legal or financial. Spineless? I don’t think so.

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I don’t recall naming you as spineless, only you know if it applies to you as an individual. I also in my earlier post mentioned people who had given their lives for the betterment of the country, I didn’t mention wars.

It’s not just conflicts that have caused people to have perished in their pursuit of making the country what it is (or once was).

But being as you are ultra smart, I’m sure you knew that… :unamused:

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Dork Lard:

robroy:
Thing is mate you could apply that argument to anything from not getting a pay raise to having to live in a hut.

Yeh, those who fought in the war are owed a lot and have my respect.
Also our great Grandfathers who fought tooth and nail for worker’s rights by forming groups that unified together for said rights akaTrade Unions,.and for the abolition of Victorian style t.s and c.s are also owed a lot.
Problem is all, or at least most of those rights achieved by them, have been handed back to employers on a plate by many of their invertebrate descendants who are not fit to lick those old guy’s hobnail clogs, and/or those who look upon the concept of a union (with a small ‘u’) as out of the question, and an actual Trade Union as the Anti Christ… :bulb:

I don’t know who ‘they’ are. But ‘they’ know exactly how far they can push us & at what pace to make the changes.

We ARE the majority, yet we are powerless to stop their march.

A majority suffering from many things that prevent us from even trying to ‘‘stop their march’’ you refer to, from fear to apathy.

I came to the conclusion in this job, that drivers will never unite to improve things for themselves, years ago, so even I have gave up on that idea.

How I deal with all the crap is both with types of methods and ideals I stated in another post on this thread, and by looking after numero uno in an effort to make life and conditions in the job as comfortable for myself as possible,.sad but I see it as the only way.
So far I am succeeding, but at the same time wondering if some work colleagues actually work for the same firm as I do when they complain about stuff like being hassled and pushed, starting half way through the night, teararsing to get the job done.and maxing out every week.

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robroy:

Dork Lard:

robroy:
Thing is mate you could apply that argument to anything from not getting a pay raise to having to live in a hut.

Yeh, those who fought in the war are owed a lot and have my respect.
Also our great Grandfathers who fought tooth and nail for worker’s rights by forming groups that unified together for said rights akaTrade Unions,.and for the abolition of Victorian style t.s and c.s are also owed a lot.
Problem is all, or at least most of those rights achieved by them, have been handed back to employers on a plate by many of their invertebrate descendants who are not fit to lick those old guy’s hobnail clogs, and/or those who look upon the concept of a union (with a small ‘u’) as out of the question, and an actual Trade Union as the Anti Christ… :bulb:

I don’t know who ‘they’ are. But ‘they’ know exactly how far they can push us & at what pace to make the changes.

We ARE the majority, yet we are powerless to stop their march.

A majority suffering from many things that prevent us from even trying to ‘‘stop their march’’ you refer to, from fear to apathy.

I came to the conclusion in this job, that drivers will never unite to improve things for themselves, years ago, so even I have gave up on that idea.

How I deal with all the crap is both with types of methods and ideals I stated in another post on this thread, and by looking after numero uno in an effort to make life and conditions in the job as comfortable for myself as possible,.sad but I see it as the only way.
So far I am succeeding, but at the same time wondering if some work colleagues actually work for the same firm as I do when they complain about stuff like being hassled and pushed, starting half way through the night, teararsing to get the job done.and maxing out every week.

No matter how you explain it what you are saying if ■■■■ you jack I’m OK and thats the problem look after yourself and thats ok we all do that and thats the problem well maybe not all
The job deserves better respect and better conditions and i am sick of hearing ah the margins is low that’s a load of ■■■■■ if you can’t make a proper working profit then get the ■■■■ out of the business

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UKtramp:
Exactly the same, in fact I think you were quite conservative in driving the vehicle back to them unless it was best for you with your getting home. I have many times simply walked away from jobs that do not suit me. Good on you I say.

I’ve had situations where I could have walked off and left the truck at a destination, but my car is at the depot, so it’s either drive the truck back or pay for a bus or train ride. One place gave the impression of an ongoing job, then dropped me after one day because I was “asking too many questions” (really, because they still hadn’t forgiven me for a ■■■■-up two years ago which was partly their fault and partly just circumstances). Depot was in Feltham, site was in Thamesmead … the ride back would have cost a tenner, rather than having a cab to myself and getting paid.

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robroy:

nsmith1180:

robroy:

simcor:
Companies have to be seen to be compliant though by DVSA by having proof they take action as a responsible employer. Balderdash with some firms I agree. But they have to show they take it seriously. Whether we like it or not it will only get worse.

Ok, but my point was how will a driver (or all of their drivers for that matter) doing 53 mph affect their ‘O’ licence.
The legal limit is 60mph, and the set limit for a limiter is 56, so why would DVSA be even mildly interested in this case of the reason Beav got reprimanded.

EU law and the Construction and Use regulations both say 90kph/56mph so if DVSA find on an inspection, be it road side or at the office, vehicles are regularly being driven over that, even if it is just on the downhills, it could result in issues for the operator. Besides, its their vehicle, if they decide that exceeding 50 mph isn’t the way they want their vehicle driven, they have a right to set that restriction and insist that anyone taking their coin obeys the rules.
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So basically you are reiterating what I said…ie

Anything over the legal limit, could be a concern for DVSA in terms of an ‘O’ licence.
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Anything over the limit the individual co sets, which is well under 56 …is not.
That was exactly my point to Simcor.

OK Rob, can you show me any evidence either for or against either argument?

Is the limiter requires by law? And what speed is the limiter required by law to be set at?

Answers yes and 90kph in other words 56mph.

If it required by law then exceeding that speed is by definition is breaking the law that governs speed restricted vehicles whether that speed is under the official legal limit for that size of truck is irrelevant.

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eagerbeaver:
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Your just being a ■■■■ now for the sake of it Beaver.

I am not saying I agree with it and I’m not brain washed at all by anyone.

But the law defines a limited speed and limiter fitted by law.

If a company wishes you to adhere to its rules then that is what you have to do, you wouldn’t get away with it in many other jobs, yet a lot of truck drivers think they should have special rules just for them.

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simcor:

eagerbeaver:
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Your just being a ■■■■ now for the sake of it Beaver.

I am not saying I agree with it and I’m not brain washed at all by anyone.

But the law defines a limited speed and limiter fitted by law.

If a company wishes you to adhere to its rules then that is what you have to do, you wouldn’t get away with it in many other jobs, yet a lot of truck drivers think they should have special rules just for them.

The limiter is for the speed that the vehicle is POWERED to by the engine & drive train. Gravity isn’t part of either and is the force that will carry the vehicle above the set limit when working with a down hill gradient. Only when the speed limit for the vehicle and road type is exceeded has an offence been committed.

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simcor:

robroy:

simcor:
Companies have to be seen to be compliant though by DVSA by having proof they take action as a responsible employer. Balderdash with some firms I agree. But they have to show they take it seriously. Whether we like it or not it will only get worse.

Ok, but my point was how will a driver (or all of their drivers for that matter) doing 53 mph affect their ‘O’ licence.
The legal limit is 60mph, and the set limit for a limiter is 56, so why would DVSA be even mildly interested in this case of the reason Beav got reprimanded.

Rob the vehicles are limited by law to the limiter speed. Simple as that, going over that set speed should not be done. They have to show they take it seriously for the eventualities we have seen recently with poor driving let alone speed being a factor. When bad accidents happen then things like over speeds will be looked into. If everyone in a company is over speeding regularly and a lot and infringements etc. Then things like o licence curtailment are a possibility.

Whether you agree or not makes no difference to me, but when DVSA do an audit they look into everything and enough concerns and they are likely to take action.

Agree with Robroy and EB, the UK limit is 60mph, dvsa wouldnt be interested in overspeeds to the road speed limit. My FH16 has its limiter on 100kph and so has my previous FH13 for the two years i owned that, nothing comes past me on the hills but plenty do on the flat, it really is no big deal and can honestly say ive never once encounted a problem//

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Wiretwister:

simcor:

eagerbeaver:
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Your just being a ■■■■ now for the sake of it Beaver.

I am not saying I agree with it and I’m not brain washed at all by anyone.

But the law defines a limited speed and limiter fitted by law.

If a company wishes you to adhere to its rules then that is what you have to do, you wouldn’t get away with it in many other jobs, yet a lot of truck drivers think they should have special rules just for them.

The limiter is for the speed that the vehicle is POWERED to by the engine & drive train. Gravity isn’t part of either and is the force that will carry the vehicle above the set limit when working with a down hill gradient. Only when the speed limit for the vehicle and road type is exceeded has an offence been committed.

Anyone can interpret anything in any way they like.

I would like to see someone prove with evidence which is correct not just I say it’s this and people have to accept I am right.

It does not matter whether is it exceeded by power or gravity ffs. Oh sorry officer gravity made me do 45mph down the hill in a 40mph limit so it’s not my fault. Can’t see that holding up very well in any vehicle.

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transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/r … ations.pdf

" The limiter will restrict the maximum powered speed to 56mph (90km/h) for goods vehicles, and 62mph (100km/h) for buses."

"Motorway speed limits

It is likely, once all the changes to vehicles requiring road speed limiters have taken place (after 1 January 2008), the national motorway speed limit for goods vehicles over 3.5 tonnes and buses will be lowered.

Restricting all vehicles in these classes to the same speed limit will reduce any competitive advantage of older vehicles (which are not required to have speed limiters)."

I have neither the time or inclination to dig further but that supports the view I expressed previously IMHO.