Saaamon:
The advert asks for experience then goes on to say “Experience with abnormal heavy loads would be advantageous”, so to me that looks like their prepared to train the right person. So if your young and keen it mite be the ideal stepping stone.
Yeah a stepping stone to Carey Street… 
The problem is with the recession is companies are taking advantage of the job situation but paying less, unfortunately this will most likely set a precedent for the future, he jobs will increase but pay won’t.
By letting companies get away with paying peanuts for a job which essentially requires a certain skill set, they will continue to pay it basically devaluing the class 2 and class 1 licence. Spend £4000+ obtaining C&E licence (need class b and class c first) to do job that pays £7-8 hour or get £6.70/hour sat at a checkout in a supermarket and no licence requirements or VOSA breathing down your neck!
DrivingMissDaisy:
Saaamon:
The advert asks for experience then goes on to say “Experience with abnormal heavy loads would be advantageous”, so to me that looks like their prepared to train the right person. So if your young and keen it mite be the ideal stepping stone.Yeah a stepping stone to Carey Street…
Im not saying its right but if its aimed towards a less experienced driver that will be trained up i think its about the right. We dont know how much night out money they pay get, any bonus money, overtime rate etc at the moment and what drivers typically take home.
madmossy:
The problem is with the recession is companies are taking advantage of the job situation but paying less, unfortunately this will most likely set a precedent for the future, he jobs will increase but pay won’t.By letting companies get away with paying peanuts for a job which essentially requires a certain skill set, they will continue to pay it basically devaluing the class 2 and class 1 licence. Spend £4000+ obtaining C&E licence (need class b and class c first) to do job that pays £7-8 hour or get £6.70/hour sat at a checkout in a supermarket and no licence requirements or VOSA breathing down your neck!
What and take home 900 quid a month?..
Saaamon:
madmossy:
The problem is with the recession is companies are taking advantage of the job situation but paying less, unfortunately this will most likely set a precedent for the future, he jobs will increase but pay won’t.By letting companies get away with paying peanuts for a job which essentially requires a certain skill set, they will continue to pay it basically devaluing the class 2 and class 1 licence. Spend £4000+ obtaining C&E licence (need class b and class c first) to do job that pays £7-8 hour or get £6.70/hour sat at a checkout in a supermarket and no licence requirements or VOSA breathing down your neck!
What and take home 900 quid a month?..
The amount taken home is irrelevant, what I am on about is the pay to skill ratio is totally wrong. Giving someone a 44t artic which is a lethal weapon, carrying a cargo with potentially hundreds of thousands and only paying them just above minimum wage is whats wrong.
Driving of any form is a skill and should be treated as such.
Saaamon:
DrivingMissDaisy:
Saaamon:
The advert asks for experience then goes on to say “Experience with abnormal heavy loads would be advantageous”, so to me that looks like their prepared to train the right person. So if your young and keen it mite be the ideal stepping stone.Yeah a stepping stone to Carey Street…
Im not saying its right but if its aimed towards a less experienced driver that will be trained up i think its about the right. We dont know how much night out money they pay get, any bonus money, overtime rate etc at the moment and what drivers typically take home.
£7 ph for first 40 hours then he “thinks” it’s time and a half for O/T.
£20 Nights out.
No bonuses.
And £7 is the rate no matter how long you’ve held your licence.
Edit to add: In my experience nights out and O/T are never guaranteed.
DrivingMissDaisy:
I wouldn’t drive anything for £7. Pass me that tin of beans please…
this…
ffs the staff in our warehouse putting socks in boxes are on nearly £10 hr!!!
your looking at the bottom end of the market - moving plant, wide cabins etc etc, which is the rag end of heavy haulage- the lads I used to work with and still in touch with are working in the UK, Far East, Middle East , America, Scandinavia, Africa Australia to name but a few- mostly for UK owned companies, and none of them are on £7 per hour 
- STGO work is 10 a penny almost every general haulier has a truck or two that can be plated and taxed up to 65 or 80 tonne , the money comes in when you look at special order work- 150 tonne plus all that said even the guys on the that sort of work are not on fantastic money - but it a ■■■■ sight more that £7 ph
So could one look at it as a stepping stone to bigger/better things?
BUT and its a big but as I said to our lass…if you have no experience and are new to the game,what you learn in 6 months working for the “less well off” companies is priceless teaches you how to be a driver ,gives you experience with maintenance you would never get with asda etc ,and most of all teaches you not to work for cowboys
mezzzz1211:
BUT and its a big but as I said to our lass…if you have no experience and are new to the game,what you learn in 6 months working for the “less well off” companies is priceless teaches you how to be a driver ,gives you experience with maintenance you would never get with asda etc ,and most of all teaches you not to work for cowboys
This is so true, some of the outfits I have driven for and the things I have done make you realize after the event how much I have actually learnt, simple roadside repairs and quick fixes to get you going this sort of thing, the best thing it teaches you is how to appreciate a really top quality job when it comes along.
When I hear fellow drivers where I work ■■■■■■■■ and moaning like a load of schoolgirls I wonder how long some of them would last doing the job at the sharp end.
Those with no experience can never be to picky.
OllieNotts:
So could one look at it as a stepping stone to bigger/better things?
One could look at it as a stepping stone so they can ■■■■ on you from a greater height 
mike68:
Those with no experience can never be to picky.
I agree with most of what you’ve said, but in this case they’re looking for experience and still want to pay a poor newbie rate 
At £7ph they’re going to get a few Monkeys applying & they’ll offer the job to whichever one is capable of coherant speech, can walk upright unaided & didn’t bump the boss mans car when parking up for the interview.
Someone maybe that similar local companies have turned down, or maybe laid off recently. Perhaps someone with a little drink problem, gambling maybe ! Or even someone whose engineered themselve’s a chaotic lifestyle & finds themselve’s in a constant whirl of desperation.
Whatever, they’ll thoroughly deserve each other.
I have little respect for a Co’ set up like Scott’s (they’re local to me) who are prepared to expect top class driving for bottom rung wages. I have even less respect for any driver who is prepared to prostitute themselve’s for such an abysmal reward.
Even Leedale pay better than this, & no self respecting driver in the area will work for them either.
Chas:
At £7ph they’re going to get a few Monkeys applying & they’ll offer the job to whichever one is capable of coherant speech, can walk upright unaided & didn’t bump the boss mans car when parking up for the interview.Someone maybe that similar local companies have turned down, or maybe laid off recently. Perhaps someone with a little drink problem, gambling maybe ! Or even someone whose engineered themselve’s a chaotic lifestyle & finds themselve’s in a constant whirl of desperation.
Whatever, they’ll thoroughly deserve each other.
I have little respect for a Co’ set up like Scott’s (they’re local to me) who are prepared to expect top class driving for bottom rung wages. I have even less respect for any driver who is prepared to prostitute themselve’s for such an abysmal reward.
Even Leedale pay better than this, & no self respecting driver in the area will work for them either.
What will happen in reality (since it is a job centre job) is that a decent hard working guy who has found themselves unemployed (previous firm gone bust?) will be forced to apply for the job by the jobcentre. They won’t accept “its not enough money” or I “wouldn’t get out of bed for that much” They will say apply or you get no jobseekers allowance.
So before all you “I wont work for less than £10 per hour” guys jump on guys working for crap rates, just hope you don’t find yourselves out of work and on the dole.
I’m not saying its right because its not…but that is the reality at this time
madmossy:
Saaamon:
madmossy:
The problem is with the recession is companies are taking advantage of the job situation but paying less, unfortunately this will most likely set a precedent for the future, he jobs will increase but pay won’t.By letting companies get away with paying peanuts for a job which essentially requires a certain skill set, they will continue to pay it basically devaluing the class 2 and class 1 licence. Spend £4000+ obtaining C&E licence (need class b and class c first) to do job that pays £7-8 hour or get £6.70/hour sat at a checkout in a supermarket and no licence requirements or VOSA breathing down your neck!
What and take home 900 quid a month?..
The amount taken home is irrelevant, what I am on about is the pay to skill ratio is totally wrong. Giving someone a 44t artic which is a lethal weapon, carrying a cargo with potentially hundreds of thousands and only paying them just above minimum wage is whats wrong.
Driving of any form is a skill and should be treated as such.
Hang on a minute, doesnt everyone on here say that you could train a monkey to do the job…?
Rikki hit the nail on the head , basicly its deadmans shoes decent firms don’t need to advertise lads that are experienced in heavy haul / heavy plant ( even smaller stuff ) are always in demand and knowing and speaking around there is a general worry that as the " old arses " go out the job not enough new blood is coming into what is and can be a demanding ( and rewarding ) side of transport. It isn’t just fancy moters ect you have to be capable of operating all sorts of kit , and on top of that bloody expensive kit, its no good just " jumping into a moter " and setting off you can soon do something as simple as scrub a set of trailor tyres off because the axles arnt allined properly and don’t even start me on the number of times I see vehicles running round with 360,s ect with the jibs in the air. It isn’t a glamerous side of transport ( try loading and chaining an excavator on a steel bed in the middle of winter especialy when its been digging sh… in a sewerage farm for 2 months and its got all its associated equipment with it 5/6 buckets ) and the work dose,nt suit everyone , unsocialble hours ( lot of weekend work ) but at the end of it its specialised like Tankers , Animal transport , I wouldn’t know were to start with a cattle waggon and although ive pulled tankers it dose,nt make me a tanker driver. The firm in question answeres itself pay peanuts get monkeys ( the trouble is someone can get find them selves in deep sh… learning) one of my favourite quotes is from a man called Red Adair whon said " if you think its dear hiring a professional wait until you hire an amateur | " rant over
Semtex:
Chas:
At £7ph they’re going to get a few Monkeys applying & they’ll offer the job to whichever one is capable of coherant speech, can walk upright unaided & didn’t bump the boss mans car when parking up for the interview.Someone maybe that similar local companies have turned down, or maybe laid off recently. Perhaps someone with a little drink problem, gambling maybe ! Or even someone whose engineered themselve’s a chaotic lifestyle & finds themselve’s in a constant whirl of desperation.
Whatever, they’ll thoroughly deserve each other.
I have little respect for a Co’ set up like Scott’s (they’re local to me) who are prepared to expect top class driving for bottom rung wages. I have even less respect for any driver who is prepared to prostitute themselve’s for such an abysmal reward.
Even Leedale pay better than this, & no self respecting driver in the area will work for them either.
What will happen in reality (since it is a job centre job) is that a decent hard working guy who has found themselves unemployed (previous firm gone bust?) will be forced to apply for the job by the jobcentre. They won’t accept “its not enough money” or I “wouldn’t get out of bed for that much” They will say apply or you get no jobseekers allowance.
So before all you “I wont work for less than £10 per hour” guys jump on guys working for crap rates, just hope you don’t find yourselves out of work and on the dole.
I’m not saying its right because its not…but that is the reality at this time
Well put,and spot on. 
motionlotion:
Semtex:
Chas:
At £7ph they’re going to get a few Monkeys applying & they’ll offer the job to whichever one is capable of coherant speech, can walk upright unaided & didn’t bump the boss mans car when parking up for the interview.Someone maybe that similar local companies have turned down, or maybe laid off recently. Perhaps someone with a little drink problem, gambling maybe ! Or even someone whose engineered themselve’s a chaotic lifestyle & finds themselve’s in a constant whirl of desperation.
Whatever, they’ll thoroughly deserve each other.
I have little respect for a Co’ set up like Scott’s (they’re local to me) who are prepared to expect top class driving for bottom rung wages. I have even less respect for any driver who is prepared to prostitute themselve’s for such an abysmal reward.
Even Leedale pay better than this, & no self respecting driver in the area will work for them either.
What will happen in reality (since it is a job centre job) is that a decent hard working guy who has found themselves unemployed (previous firm gone bust?) will be forced to apply for the job by the jobcentre. They won’t accept “its not enough money” or I “wouldn’t get out of bed for that much” They will say apply or you get no jobseekers allowance.
So before all you “I wont work for less than £10 per hour” guys jump on guys working for crap rates, just hope you don’t find yourselves out of work and on the dole.
I’m not saying its right because its not…but that is the reality at this time
Well put,and spot on.
^ This.
Ironically there’s loads on here who moan about the situation and then there’s equally loads who support Thatcherite economics.The fact is as wages reduce no guvnor with any sense will want to employ drivers at a higher rate when they can make the ones they’ve got redundant and then re hire others from the job centre later,using whatever excuse,from a supply of what is effectively forced labour.Although in this case maybe it beats doing local multi drop for the same wage or even having to work for the dole money.In the case of those who complain about workshy scroungers should be forced off of so called ‘benefits’,as they say be careful what you wish for.
How much ?
No thanks !!!