ROG:
It says DAY - how many working hours in the DAY?
It says “Working Time Breaks and 15 hour days”.
A 45 minute break at 5 hours 59 minutes will not legally “count as your full wtd break for the day” (comprising a 15 hour shift) unless there’s at-least 2 hours and 16 minute of POA/break in the shift and after the 45 minute break.
As the OP never mentioned or asked about POA, or breaks shorter than 15 minutes, it seems to me to be reasonable to assume that he will need to have completed another break of at-least 15 minutes sometime before exceeding another 6 hours working time.
Therefore the answer to the OPs question is, No a 45 minute break at 5 hours 59 minutes will not “count as your full wtd break for the day”, you will need another 15 minute break before exceeding another 6 hours working time.
ROG:
Nick - it states that a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break and a break must be at least 15 mins
What you have stated it the TOTAL amount of break required for the work done in a shift
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
END
LEGAL for tacho and RTD
Not legel unless the last was 2 hours and 59 minutes
WHY ?
Ok Rog
In you example above the two 3 hours drive and work add up to 6 hours so if you have worked for 6 hours you would need an a break of 15 minutes the POA is not a break
Breaks:
— Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.— If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
— If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
— Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration.
do you mean the bit in red is not in the guide, well i got it from it on page 46
ROG:
Nick - it states that a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break and a break must be at least 15 mins
What you have stated it the TOTAL amount of break required for the work done in a shift
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
END
LEGAL for tacho and RTD
Not legel unless the last was 2 hours and 59 minutes
WHY ?
Ok Rog
In you example above the two 3 hours drive and work add up to 6 hours so if you have worked for 6 hours you would need an a break of 15 minutes the POA is not a break
ROG:
Nick - it states that a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break and a break must be at least 15 mins
What you have stated it the TOTAL amount of break required for the work done in a shift
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
END
LEGAL for tacho and RTD
Not legel unless the last was 2 hours and 59 minutes
WHY ?
Ok Rog
In you example above the two 3 hours drive and work add up to 6 hours so if you have worked for 6 hours you would need an a break of 15 minutes the POA is not a break
What 3 hour drives ■■?
Did you miss seeing the equals sign …
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
delboytwo:
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
Where does the 2 hrs 59 mins come from?
The rule is - no worker shall work MORE than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 mins
delboytwo:
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
Where does the 2 hrs 59 mins come from?
The rule is - no worker shall work MORE than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 mins
3+3=6 which is not more than 6
OK Rog your right i’m wrong, i worked for 6 hours bang on one day at work, and i mean bang on, handed my card in at the end of the week, and on that day I got an infringement for not taking a 30 minute break before end of shift. boss said in the regs it says not more than 6 hours but not more than 6 hour is if you want to be pedantic is 5:59:59
delboytwo:
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
Where does the 2 hrs 59 mins come from?
The rule is - no worker shall work MORE than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 mins
3+3=6 which is not more than 6
OK Rog your right i’m wrong, i worked for 6 hours bang on one day at work, and i mean bang on, handed my card in at the end of the week, and on that day I got an infringement for not taking a 30 minute break before end of shift. boss said in the regs it says not more than 6 hours but not more than 6 hour is if you want to be pedantic is 5:59:59
No. Not more than 6 hours is 6:00:00. 5:59:59 is less than 6 hours. 6:00:01 is more than 6 hours.
delboytwo:
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
Where does the 2 hrs 59 mins come from?
The rule is - no worker shall work MORE than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 mins
3+3=6 which is not more than 6
OK Rog your right i’m wrong, i worked for 6 hours bang on one day at work, and i mean bang on, handed my card in at the end of the week, and on that day I got an infringement for not taking a 30 minute break before end of shift. boss said in the regs it says not more than 6 hours but not more than 6 hour is if you want to be pedantic is 5:59:59
No. Not more than 6 hours is 6:00:00. 5:59:59 is less than 6 hours. 6:00:01 is more than 6 hours.
so if that’s the case then 4 hours 30 minute drive IE 4:30:00 would not required a break until you did 4:30:01 the EU wrote the both regs
drivers hours
Breaks
After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes unless he takes a rest period. A break taken in this way must not be interrupted.
not taking a rest period
RTD working time
7.–(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
same meaning, so that would mean if your right if you drove for 4 hours and 30 minutes and no seconds it would be ok for you to work as it not more till it goes to 4 hours and 30 minutes and 1 second
delboytwo:
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
Where does the 2 hrs 59 mins come from?
The rule is - no worker shall work MORE than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 mins
3+3=6 which is not more than 6
OK Rog your right i’m wrong, i worked for 6 hours bang on one day at work, and i mean bang on, handed my card in at the end of the week, and on that day I got an infringement for not taking a 30 minute break before end of shift. boss said in the regs it says not more than 6 hours but not more than 6 hour is if you want to be pedantic is 5:59:59
No. Not more than 6 hours is 6:00:00. 5:59:59 is less than 6 hours. 6:00:01 is more than 6 hours.
so if that’s the case then 4 hours 30 minute drive IE 4:30:00 would not required a break until you did 4:30:01 the EU wrote the both regs
drivers hours
Breaks
After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes unless he takes a rest period. A break taken in this way must not be interrupted.
not taking a rest period
RTD working time
7.–(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
same meaning, so that would mean if your right if you drove for 4 hours and 30 minutes and no seconds it would be ok for you to work as it not more till it goes to 4 hours and 30 minutes and 1 second
But the regulations say after a driving period of no more than 4:30:00, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes and 4:30:01 is more than 4:30:00 and as you must do no more than 4:30:00 you cannot go to 4:30:01 because then you have done more than 4:30:00.
delboytwo:
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
Where does the 2 hrs 59 mins come from?
The rule is - no worker shall work MORE than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 mins
3+3=6 which is not more than 6
OK Rog your right i’m wrong, i worked for 6 hours bang on one day at work, and i mean bang on, handed my card in at the end of the week, and on that day I got an infringement for not taking a 30 minute break before end of shift. boss said in the regs it says not more than 6 hours but not more than 6 hour is if you want to be pedantic is 5:59:59
No. Not more than 6 hours is 6:00:00. 5:59:59 is less than 6 hours. 6:00:01 is more than 6 hours.
so if that’s the case then 4 hours 30 minute drive IE 4:30:00 would not required a break until you did 4:30:01 the EU wrote the both regs
drivers hours
Breaks
After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes unless he takes a rest period. A break taken in this way must not be interrupted.
not taking a rest period
RTD working time
7.–(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
same meaning, so that would mean if your right if you drove for 4 hours and 30 minutes and no seconds it would be ok for you to work as it not more till it goes to 4 hours and 30 minutes and 1 second
But the regulations say after a driving period of no more than 4:30:00, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes and 4:30:01 is more than 4:30:00 and as you must do no more than 4:30:00 you cannot go to 4:30:01 because then you have done more than 4:30:00.
delboytwo:
ok missed that, but 1 hour work and 2 hours drive = 3 hours work x 2 = 6 hours work, if you work 6 hours without a break you need to take a break of 15 minutes before the end of your shift. so based on you example, I said it would be legal if the last on was 2 hours and 59 minutes and the go home no 1 hour work and 2 hours drive you can not take a RTD break at the end of your shift
Where does the 2 hrs 59 mins come from?
The rule is - no worker shall work MORE than 6 hours without a break of at least 15 mins
3+3=6 which is not more than 6
OK Rog your right i’m wrong, i worked for 6 hours bang on one day at work, and i mean bang on, handed my card in at the end of the week, and on that day I got an infringement for not taking a 30 minute break before end of shift. boss said in the regs it says not more than 6 hours but not more than 6 hour is if you want to be pedantic is 5:59:59
No. Not more than 6 hours is 6:00:00. 5:59:59 is less than 6 hours. 6:00:01 is more than 6 hours.
so if that’s the case then 4 hours 30 minute drive IE 4:30:00 would not required a break until you did 4:30:01 the EU wrote the both regs
drivers hours
Breaks
After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes unless he takes a rest period. A break taken in this way must not be interrupted.
not taking a rest period
RTD working time
7.–(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
same meaning, so that would mean if your right if you drove for 4 hours and 30 minutes and no seconds it would be ok for you to work as it not more till it goes to 4 hours and 30 minutes and 1 second
But the regulations say after a driving period of no more than 4:30:00, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45 minutes and 4:30:01 is more than 4:30:00 and as you must do no more than 4:30:00 you cannot go to 4:30:01 because then you have done more than 4:30:00.
