If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?
YES
Just watch out after that break - that you do not do more than another 6 hours of work without a 15 min break
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?
NO.
Ignore ROG. He obviously didn’t read it properly.
It covers you for those first 6 hours. You will need to take more break if you do another 6 hours work.
Often I take a split break with 15 mins within first 6 hours and then 30 within second 6 hours to keep my WTD breaks on track.
Although you still need to keep to your 45 mins before 4.5h driving.
dar1976:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO.
Ignore ROG. He obviously didn’t read it properly.
It covers you for those first 6 hours. You will need to take more break if you do another 6 hours work.
EH !! - thats what I said 
No you didn’t. Your first word in your reply was YES.
Therefore your answer to him was incorrect.
dar1976:
No you didn’t. Your first word in your reply was YES.Therefore your answer to him was incorrect.
If my post was editted then it would show
dar1976:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO.
Ignore ROG. He obviously didn’t read it properly.
It covers you for those first 6 hours. You will need to take more break if you do another 6 hours work.
Often I take a split break with 15 mins within first 6 hours and then 30 within second 6 hours to keep my WTD breaks on track.
Although you still need to keep to your 45 mins before 4.5h driving.
Ah not quite right as per the VOSA guide … where does it say that after you work more than 6hrs taking into account you had a break of 45 mins you MUST TAKE A FURTHER BREAK ■■? in there own guide they state the following
[quote
]Working between 6 and 9 hours per day requires breaks totalling 30 minutes. If more that 9 hours is worked then breaks must total 45 minutes. Breaks must be of at least 15 minutes duration. Break requirements under the Regulations, are in addition to those under the EU drivers’ hours rules. But where mainly driving work is undertaken it is possible that working time breaks may be satisï¬ ed by breaks from driving taken under the EU drivers’ hours rules. The EU drivers’ hours rules break requirements take precedence when driving.
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It DOSE not state every 6 hours
Nick - it states that a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break and a break must be at least 15 mins
What you have stated it the TOTAL amount of break required for the work done in a shift
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
END
LEGAL for tacho and RTD
nick2008:
dar1976:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO.
Ignore ROG. He obviously didn’t read it properly.
It covers you for those first 6 hours. You will need to take more break if you do another 6 hours work.
Often I take a split break with 15 mins within first 6 hours and then 30 within second 6 hours to keep my WTD breaks on track.
Although you still need to keep to your 45 mins before 4.5h driving.
Ah not quite right as per the VOSA guide … where does it say that after you work more than 6hrs taking into account you had a break of 45 mins you MUST TAKE A FURTHER BREAK ■■? in there own guide they state the following
[quote
]Working between 6 and 9 hours per day requires breaks totalling 30 minutes. If more that 9 hours is worked then breaks must total 45 minutes. Breaks must be of at least 15 minutes duration. Break requirements under the Regulations, are in addition to those under the EU drivers’ hours rules. But where mainly driving work is undertaken it is possible that working time breaks may be satisï¬ ed by breaks from driving taken under the EU drivers’ hours rules. The EU drivers’ hours rules break requirements take precedence when driving.
It DOSE not state every 6 hours
dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/W … eaflet.pdf
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Ok fair point.
15 mins before 6 hours. 15 minutes in the next 3 hours.
dar1976:
15 mins before 6 hours. 15 minutes in the next 3 hours.
Only if the work in a shift is 6 to 9 hours but if the work in the shift is say 12 hours then the second 15 does not need to be taken at or before the 9 hour working time point
nick2008:
dar1976:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO.
Ignore ROG. He obviously didn’t read it properly.
It covers you for those first 6 hours. You will need to take more break if you do another 6 hours work.
Often I take a split break with 15 mins within first 6 hours and then 30 within second 6 hours to keep my WTD breaks on track.
Although you still need to keep to your 45 mins before 4.5h driving.
Ah not quite right as per the VOSA guide … where does it say that after you work more than 6hrs taking into account you had a break of 45 mins you MUST TAKE A FURTHER BREAK ■■? in there own guide they state the following
]Working between 6 and 9 hours per day requires breaks totalling 30 minutes. If more that 9 hours is worked then breaks must total 45 minutes. Breaks must be of at least 15 minutes duration. Break requirements under the Regulations, are in addition to those under the EU drivers’ hours rules. But where mainly driving work is undertaken it is possible that working time breaks may be satisï¬ ed by breaks from driving taken under the EU drivers’ hours rules. The EU drivers’ hours rules break requirements take precedence when driving.
It DOSE not state every 6 hours
dar1976 was spot on, the publication you’ve linked to is not entirely correct.
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005 clearly state that “No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break”.
That means that at no time during the shift should your working time exceed 6 hours without a break 
ROG:
Nick - it states that a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break and a break must be at least 15 minsWhat you have stated it the TOTAL amount of break required for the work done in a shift
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
ENDLEGAL for tacho and RTD
Rog please look at the document I posted the link to an PLEASE point out … WHERE it STATES
a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break
Remember this is an official document by VOSA that divers use
tachograph:
nick2008:
dar1976:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO.
Ignore ROG. He obviously didn’t read it properly.
It covers you for those first 6 hours. You will need to take more break if you do another 6 hours work.
Often I take a split break with 15 mins within first 6 hours and then 30 within second 6 hours to keep my WTD breaks on track.
Although you still need to keep to your 45 mins before 4.5h driving.
Ah not quite right as per the VOSA guide … where does it say that after you work more than 6hrs taking into account you had a break of 45 mins you MUST TAKE A FURTHER BREAK ■■? in there own guide they state the following
]Working between 6 and 9 hours per day requires breaks totalling 30 minutes. If more that 9 hours is worked then breaks must total 45 minutes. Breaks must be of at least 15 minutes duration. Break requirements under the Regulations, are in addition to those under the EU drivers’ hours rules. But where mainly driving work is undertaken it is possible that working time breaks may be satisï¬ ed by breaks from driving taken under the EU drivers’ hours rules. The EU drivers’ hours rules break requirements take precedence when driving.
It DOSE not state every 6 hours
dar1976 was spot on, the publication you’ve linked to is not entirely correct.
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005 clearly state that “No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break”.
That means that at no time during the shift should your working time exceed 6 hours without a break
Thanks.
Thought I was losing my mind 
I wonder how the court would stand with incorrect information being given out by Vosa then
Nick - IF you are saying that if the working time in a shift is say 11 hours and breaks totalling 30 mins must be taken by 9 hours of work then you are not understanding the rules
tachograph:
nick2008:
dar1976:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO.
Ignore ROG. He obviously didn’t read it properly.
It covers you for those first 6 hours. You will need to take more break if you do another 6 hours work.
Often I take a split break with 15 mins within first 6 hours and then 30 within second 6 hours to keep my WTD breaks on track.
Although you still need to keep to your 45 mins before 4.5h driving.
Ah not quite right as per the VOSA guide … where does it say that after you work more than 6hrs taking into account you had a break of 45 mins you MUST TAKE A FURTHER BREAK ■■? in there own guide they state the following
]Working between 6 and 9 hours per day requires breaks totalling 30 minutes. If more that 9 hours is worked then breaks must total 45 minutes. Breaks must be of at least 15 minutes duration. Break requirements under the Regulations, are in addition to those under the EU drivers’ hours rules. But where mainly driving work is undertaken it is possible that working time breaks may be satisï¬ ed by breaks from driving taken under the EU drivers’ hours rules. The EU drivers’ hours rules break requirements take precedence when driving.
It DOSE not state every 6 hours
dar1976 was spot on, the publication you’ve linked to is not entirely correct.
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005 clearly state that “No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break”.
That means that at no time during the shift should your working time exceed 6 hours without a break
you know I know but like I have shown VOSA yet again give incorrect information 
nick2008:
I wonder how the court would stand with incorrect information being given out by Vosa then
It’s important to remember that the VOSA publications are only meant to be guides and not legally binding documents.
Having said that, it is surprising that that particular guide is so fundamentally incomplete 
nick2008:
I wonder how the court would stand with incorrect information being given out by Vosa then
That’s probably why no test case has ever been brought to court. Because there is too much misinformation floating round, even by VOSA itself (who are supposed to govern the WTD).
ROG:
Nick - IF you are saying that if the working time in a shift is say 11 hours and breaks totalling 30 mins must be taken by 9 hours of work then you are not understanding the rules
ROG take your eyes off the subject and READ THE LINK I HAVE POSTED
You of all people should know I know but I’m pointing out that information given by VOSA in the link I posted doesn’t say that does it
VOSA guide missed out the 6 hour rule !!!