ROG:
VOSA guide missed out the 6 hour rule !!!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
see what I mean … at last your reading the same document everyone else is reading 
Nick, you are right in saying that the VOSA info is CRAP
ROG:
Nick, you are right in saying that the VOSA info is CRAP
misleading on the verge of disgrace and liable if a driver is take to court
ROG:
Nick, you are right in saying that the VOSA info is CRAP
misleading on the verge of disgrace and liable if a driver is take to court
nick2008:
ROG:
Nick, you are right in saying that the VOSA info is CRAPmisleading on the verge of disgrace and liable if a driver is take to court
Me thinks I need to make a call to a certain organisation next week …
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?
A more definitive answer would be - YES as long as the total work done in that shift does not exceed 11 hours and 59 mins
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?
NO, you’d need another 15 minutes at some point so you don’t work more than 6 hours without a break.
The ‘6 hour rule’ also resets after your last break.
All info is HERE and is reliable.
MADBAZ:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO, you’d need another 15 minutes at some point so you don’t work more than 6 hours without a break.
The ‘6 hour rule’ also resets after your last break.
You are ASSUMING that he will be doing another 6 hours working time
ROG:
MADBAZ:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO, you’d need another 15 minutes at some point so you don’t work more than 6 hours without a break.
The ‘6 hour rule’ also resets after your last break.You are ASSUMING that he will be doing another 6 hours working time
The OP asked what would cover him for the DAY.
I would assume the same… 
ROG:
MADBAZ:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO, you’d need another 15 minutes at some point so you don’t work more than 6 hours without a break.
The ‘6 hour rule’ also resets after your last break.You are ASSUMING that he will be doing another 6 hours working time
THE CLUE IS IN THE TITLE 
ROG:
nick2008:
ROG:
Nick, you are right in saying that the VOSA info is CRAPmisleading on the verge of disgrace and liable if a driver is take to court
Me thinks I need to make a call to a certain organisation next week …
this is what I been on about for ages
I already had a go about other stuff to which they changed
ROG:
Nick - it states that a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break and a break must be at least 15 minsWhat you have stated it the TOTAL amount of break required for the work done in a shift
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
ENDLEGAL for tacho and RTD
Not legel unless the last was 2 hours and 59 minutes
delboytwo:
ROG:
Nick - it states that a worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break and a break must be at least 15 minsWhat you have stated it the TOTAL amount of break required for the work done in a shift
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
ENDLEGAL for tacho and RTD
Not legel unless the last was 2 hours and 59 minutes
WHY ?
MADBAZ:
ROG:
MADBAZ:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO, you’d need another 15 minutes at some point so you don’t work more than 6 hours without a break.
The ‘6 hour rule’ also resets after your last break.You are ASSUMING that he will be doing another 6 hours working time
THE CLUE IS IN THE TITLE
It says DAY - how many working hours in the DAY?
If this is the DAY then YES is the correct answer 100%
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
END
LEGAL for tacho and RTD
ROG:
MADBAZ:
ROG:
MADBAZ:
Jenson Button:
If you have a 45 min break after 5 hours 59 mins work can this count as your full wtd break for the day?NO, you’d need another 15 minutes at some point so you don’t work more than 6 hours without a break.
The ‘6 hour rule’ also resets after your last break.You are ASSUMING that he will be doing another 6 hours working time
THE CLUE IS IN THE TITLE
It says DAY - how many working hours in the DAY?
If this is the DAY then YES is the correct answer 100%
13 hour shift
work 2/drive 4 = 6 hours
45 min break
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
POA 15 mins
work 1/drive 2 = 3 hours
ENDLEGAL for tacho and RTD
FFS rog maybe I just don’t understand, but with the title and the op I guess the question was raised if a single 45 minute break taken at the 6 hour mark would be legal for a 15 hour shift. The answer is a resounding NO. If you then start to add POA into the fray and other complications that you seem so intent on then maybe.
If you want to be an arse/pedantic the max day that can be worked is 21 hours.
Some reading for you Rog, if you have any questions feel free to ask.
MADBAZ:
… if you have any questions feel free to ask.
You’ll regret asking 
dar1976:
MADBAZ:
… if you have any questions feel free to ask.You’ll regret asking
I’ll just PM the links to Tachograph or Coffeholic, and let them deal with it 
ROG:
It says DAY - how many working hours in the DAY?
It says “Working Time Breaks and 15 hour days”.
A 45 minute break at 5 hours 59 minutes will not legally “count as your full wtd break for the day” (comprising a 15 hour shift) unless there’s at-least 2 hours and 16 minute of POA/break in the shift and after the 45 minute break.
As the OP never mentioned or asked about POA, or breaks shorter than 15 minutes, it seems to me to be reasonable to assume that he will need to have completed another break of at-least 15 minutes sometime before exceeding another 6 hours working time.
Therefore the answer to the OPs question is, No a 45 minute break at 5 hours 59 minutes will not “count as your full wtd break for the day”, you will need another 15 minute break before exceeding another 6 hours working time.
For a 15 hour shift it could be legal - it all depends on the working time in that shift
The driver might do drive 4 hrs + other work 2 hrs followed by a 45 break
Driver then does 4 hrs drive + 2 hrs other work + 2.25 hrs POA
MADBAZ:
dar1976:
MADBAZ:
… if you have any questions feel free to ask.You’ll regret asking
I’ll just PM the links to Tachograph or Coffeholic, and let them deal with it
What have we ever done to you 
