Wolter KOOPS truck confiscated

Legend_Scania:

Carryfast:
Even an American truck and trailer,which doesn’t in any way comply with EU type approval or UK MOT requirements,is legal to be used here on temporary entry.

How comes Uncle Sam’s Circus can use there American rigs I think 99.99% of there fleet are American trucks ■■

I think some pre-Euro 1 US trucks can be made to conform to UK type approval regs. This involves using Foden parts, many of which are bolt-on interchangeable to get lights, air systems, brakes etc to UK standards.

GasGas:

Legend_Scania:

Carryfast:
Even an American truck and trailer,which doesn’t in any way comply with EU type approval or UK MOT requirements,is legal to be used here on temporary entry.

How comes Uncle Sam’s Circus can use there American rigs I think 99.99% of there fleet are American trucks ■■

I think some pre-Euro 1 US trucks can be made to conform to UK type approval regs. This involves using Foden parts, many of which are bolt-on interchangeable to get lights, air systems, brakes etc to UK standards.

Or over 25 years old in which case they’re exempt from type approval and IVA requirements.

So, in an attempt to get back on topic.What about Wolter’s new Merc- is it crushed,auctioned or what?? .Are the tankers still bringing fuel in?

Carryfast:

GasGas:

Legend_Scania:

Carryfast:
Even an American truck and trailer,which doesn’t in any way comply with EU type approval or UK MOT requirements,is legal to be used here on temporary entry.

How comes Uncle Sam’s Circus can use there American rigs I think 99.99% of there fleet are American trucks ■■

I think some pre-Euro 1 US trucks can be made to conform to UK type approval regs. This involves using Foden parts, many of which are bolt-on interchangeable to get lights, air systems, brakes etc to UK standards.

Or over 25 years old in which case they’re exempt from type approval and IVA requirements.

Cheers for explaining you two

Sir +:
So, in an attempt to get back on topic.

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You must be new here ■■ :grimacing: :grimacing:

billybigrig:

orys:

billybigrig:

orys:
Is Wikipedia accepted?

One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. The following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:
(…)
The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.

So the spray suppression rules are different in Poland, Orys ■■? I would of thought they would be bound by EU rules on that ■■?

Off course they are in Poland, but someone said that “vehicles were legal before they went on the ferry, but as soon as they get off, they are no longer road legal” therefore I was under impression that it means that Britain have some different rules regarding it than mainland Europe. So my point is: if they were road legal in Poland, France, Portugal or whenever they come from, the Britons have to respect it even if their requirements for their own trucks are different. And vice versa of course.

Yep that’s what I’m asking, Orys in order to clarify that point. Vosa require wing tops unless there is less then a minimal (I forget the measurement) clearance. So is this the case under Polish law too ■■?

i was told at the vosa test station it is anything less than 100mm
but you must have them on for the test

does this mean there is no need to adjust the headlights to dip the other way when over the water?

humbug:
does this mean there is no need to adjust the headlights to dip the other way when over the water?

You have to ADJUST them of course, but you don’t need to replace them.
Just like you don’t need to move the steering wheel to the left, but you still have to drive on the right.

can’t a truck be legal in poland/ wherever but unroadworthy in the uk? if so surely the foreign standerds arent relvent. just beacuse a truck/car is legal in the uk wouldn’t mean that it is automatically roadworthy in poland.

of course there is a difference between not meeting all uk standards and being unroadworthy.

mrx:
can’t a truck be legal in poland/ wherever but unroadworthy in the uk? if so surely the foreign standerds arent relvent. just beacuse a truck/car is legal in the uk wouldn’t mean that it is automatically roadworthy in poland.

of course there is a difference between not meeting all uk standards and being unroadworthy.

I suppose that would depend on what we’re talking about. If a truck had a balding tyre for example and was stopped in the UK, I’d presume that the UK specification on tread depth would apply but things to do with design and approval of design would be up to each country. I used to pull a lot of Dutch registered tilts and early Euroliners that didn’t have a single side marker light on the trailer or any side guards down the trailer, this wasn’t legal for a UK registered trailer and I’d occasionally get pulled and questioned over it by Vosa or the police but it met Dutch requirements, was on Dutch plates and as such had to be accepted in the UK.

mrx:
can’t a truck be legal in poland/ wherever but unroadworthy in the uk? if so surely the foreign standerds arent relvent. just beacuse a truck/car is legal in the uk wouldn’t mean that it is automatically roadworthy in poland.

Actually you got me thinking with that. And I digged a bit and I got example that you are right. There might be such cases. But my example is actually the other way round.

Polish law says that if the vehicle is fitted with some lights, they have to be in working order. So if your fog lights or extra headlights dont’ work in UK, you don’t have to worry, as they are not mandatory so they aren’t checked. But if you go to Poland and ITD (Polish VOSA) will stop you and find that they are not working, you will have either to fix them on the spot, or you are in trouble. The rule is: if your vehicle is fitted with some lights to be used in the traffic (fog lights, extra headlights, day running lights, extra reversing lights, yellow beacon etc.) they have to be working.

Abother thing is that Polish law says that if you have any other lights (other than front white lights, side yellow lights, rear red lights, white reversing lights, yellow (or blue, when apply) beacons or indicators - for example hundreds of this fancy colourful coca-cola style lights or adjustable spot light), you can’t use them when driving on public road, and you can be fined for this too. Unless off course, they are legal in country of your registration.

Now I am not sure if this lights are legal in UK or just tolerated. If they are legal - you are OK to drive truck with them in Poland. If they are just tolerated, then don’t be suprise if Polish ITD will not be so understanding…

For example many people seem to fancy having contour lights replaced with blue bulbs. That might be tolerated in UK, but this is a breach of international rules that say front vehicle lights have to be white or selective yellow (if i remember correctly). So you might be fined for that too…

So I guess there are some situation when that works other way round as well. But since Polish roadworthiness requirements are a bit stricter than British, then I would rather expect that it will be in some cases where trucks is fitted with some non-standard things that are tolerated in Poland but not here (for example flags on the windscreen maybe? - you have that rule I think, that nothing can’t be withing the scope of windscreen wiper (except from tax discs I guess :smiley:), in Poland laws says that it has not pose danger by obstructing your view…

of course there is a difference between not meeting all uk standards and being unroadworthy.

Off course. I think being unroadworthy is quite universal - you got bald tires, not working lights, brakes are bad or exhaust emissions too high…

But as long as we tell about specifications if the vehicle is legal in UK it has to be respected as such in Poland and other way round.

If the laws regarding spray supression in Poland and in UK are different, VOSA cannot do anything to Polish registered lorry as long, as it meets Polish requirements.

And in other way - for example if you run your British truck with number plate placed right on the top above the doors, then you are legal, as it’s OK in Britain and Polish laws about that number plate can’t be placed higher than something (i don’t remember exactly) do not apply to you.

But if your number plate is damaged and can’t be read, or if lighting for it is not working - then your vehicle is not roadworthy.

Btw: there is something these of you who go to Poland must be aware of, and I guess this apply to many other countries as well, but I just use Polish example.

In Poland trailer is considered as a separate vehicle. If the vehicle is parked on the public road, it has to display at least one number plate - for trailers, farm tractors and motorcycles - or two - for other vehicles. If the vehicle is parked on public road and it does not display a number plate, it can be impounded or removed… I heard about a case of the guy who was importing used caravans from UK. He pulled one to Poland, then he left it parked outside his house and went back to pull another one, taking number plate with him. On his return he found that caravan was towed away…

orys:
In Poland trailer is considered as a separate vehicle. If the vehicle is parked on the public road, it has to display at least one number plate - for trailers, farm tractors and motorcycles - or two - for other vehicles. If the vehicle is parked on public road and it does not display a number plate, it can be impounded or removed… I heard about a case of the guy who was importing used caravans from UK. He pulled one to Poland, then he left it parked outside his house and went back to pull another one, taking number plate with him. On his return he found that caravan was towed away…

Many years ago. About 1976 I think. I was stopped by a police helicopter, not actually pulled over but spotted with a spare numberplate in a wooden box on the body of the lorry. I was then actually pulled by a motorcycle copper who was most concerned that I had a spare number plate :stuck_out_tongue:

Wheel Nut:

orys:
In Poland trailer is considered as a separate vehicle. If the vehicle is parked on the public road, it has to display at least one number plate - for trailers, farm tractors and motorcycles - or two - for other vehicles. If the vehicle is parked on public road and it does not display a number plate, it can be impounded or removed… I heard about a case of the guy who was importing used caravans from UK. He pulled one to Poland, then he left it parked outside his house and went back to pull another one, taking number plate with him. On his return he found that caravan was towed away…

Many years ago. About 1976 I think. I was stopped by a police helicopter, not actually pulled over but spotted with a spare numberplate in a wooden box on the body of the lorry. I was then actually pulled by a motorcycle copper who was most concerned that I had a spare number plate :stuck_out_tongue:

In Poland? :open_mouth: They were using helicopter to enforce road traffic back then? :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

orys:

Wheel Nut:

orys:
In Poland trailer is considered as a separate vehicle. If the vehicle is parked on the public road, it has to display at least one number plate - for trailers, farm tractors and motorcycles - or two - for other vehicles. If the vehicle is parked on public road and it does not display a number plate, it can be impounded or removed… I heard about a case of the guy who was importing used caravans from UK. He pulled one to Poland, then he left it parked outside his house and went back to pull another one, taking number plate with him. On his return he found that caravan was towed away…

Many years ago. About 1976 I think. I was stopped by a police helicopter, not actually pulled over but spotted with a spare numberplate in a wooden box on the body of the lorry. I was then actually pulled by a motorcycle copper who was most concerned that I had a spare number plate :stuck_out_tongue:

In Poland? :open_mouth: They were using helicopter to enforce road traffic back then? :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

:open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

billybigrig:

orys:

Wheel Nut:

orys:
In Poland trailer is considered as a separate vehicle. If the vehicle is parked on the public road, it has to display at least one number plate - for trailers, farm tractors and motorcycles - or two - for other vehicles. If the vehicle is parked on public road and it does not display a number plate, it can be impounded or removed… I heard about a case of the guy who was importing used caravans from UK. He pulled one to Poland, then he left it parked outside his house and went back to pull another one, taking number plate with him. On his return he found that caravan was towed away…

Many years ago. About 1976 I think. I was stopped by a police helicopter, not actually pulled over but spotted with a spare numberplate in a wooden box on the body of the lorry. I was then actually pulled by a motorcycle copper who was most concerned that I had a spare number plate :stuck_out_tongue:

In Poland? :open_mouth: They were using helicopter to enforce road traffic back then? :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

:open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

The original bear in the air. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

youtube.com/watch?v=6SrUyNG4fYA

billybigrig:

----HUMORISTIC ANSWER----
Judging from the dress code of the pilot, this is British helicopter from 1960s :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

----EDUCATIONAL PENNYWORTH—
I know that you all think that Poland is retarded country with donkey carts and therefore its OK to make fun of it, but actually we do quite good helicopters since 1970s:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_W-3_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82
before that we were just designed manufacturers of Soviet Mi-2 - the joys of the politics of COMICON.


I developed the new version to answer polish-mocking posts, so the reader can know that I am actually not offended or don’t need to defend, but just trying to provide educational values, do you think it’s a good idea? :grimacing:

Sikorski always sounded half Polish to me :stuck_out_tongue:

The Italians had the first helicopters, when Leonardo da Vinci designed it in 1468. It could fly backwards as well as forwards :stuck_out_tongue:

Either that or he wash on some sheriously good weed!

orys:

billybigrig:

----HUMORISTIC ANSWER----
Judging from the dress code of the pilot, this is British helicopter from 1960s :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I remember seeing this pic before
And I think it’s Mr Sikorski in his first prototype helicopter, even earlier than the 60’s.

Wheel Nut:
Sikorski always sounded half Polish to me :stuck_out_tongue:

EDUCATIONAL BIT:

Igor Sikorski was Russian, but had some Polish roots. They were expelled to Siberia by Tzar after the January uprising. His grandfather then fell in love with a Russian girl and while the rest of the family came back to Poland, he stayed in Russia.

The Polish wartime prime minister who died in Giblartar plane crash was also Sikorski. Some say that it was British conspiracy because he was the one that had conections powerful enough to change Polish fate in Yalta and Churchill already made his mind. (personally I don’t believe in it, but for some reason Britain keeps the documents on that matter secret despite that the archives should be already opened by now and most of other acts are free to see by historians, so there might be something in this).

Also current Foreign Secretary of Poland has surname Sikorski, so you could hear about some of them :slight_smile:

I’ve had a right laugh with this thread…

‘Trucks being confiscated’ to ’ The world being flat’ to ‘Oh no It’s round & was discovered by a Pole, or was It a German’ to Headlight adjustment’ to ‘Helicopters’ with some poor guy In the middle asking about the original quote regarding the Koop’s Merc…

Amazing !!! :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: