My point exactly.eastern workers come over claim every penny out the system work cheaper and send the cash back home to build there native land up.i blame the goverment.i think we should be like america and only let specific skill sets in only if the job can not be filled by a british worker.if iam a racist for not caring about other countrys people then so be it.the flood gates are open nowand we are drowning
Harry Monk:
repton:
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my belief it poles do not bring anything to the uk just take but i accept you dont agreeRound here (rural North Yorkshire) they (Poles and other Eastern Europeans) bring something that the natives don’t seem to have any more. A work ethic. I think it’s a great shame but all the farmers I speak to say that the EE workers are an order of magnitude better than the natives. A couple of them have said they would rather employ locals to try and keep money in the local economy but (with one or two exceptions) they either can’t get locals to do the job or they take the job but don’t do it well enough.
Paul
And could an indigenous worker afford accommodation for his family on the wages these farmers pay?
Ironically some say the old saying you pretend to pay us so we pretend to work actually came from East European unions trying to get a better standard of living in their own countries under the old communist system.That’s before they all decided to come over here to live the Thatcherite dream. 
Just wait until the end of 2014, when 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will have free access to the eu, at least Poles only steal our jobs whereas Bulgarians and Romanians will steal anything that isn’t bolted down.
That’s already happening Harry.
Manchester have a bad problem with Romanians who steel and pick pocket. Peterborough is following suit and no doubt the rest of the UK is like it.
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My point exactly.eastern workers come over claim every penny out the system work cheaper and send the cash back home to build there native land up.i blame the goverment.i think we should be like america and only let specific skill sets in only if the job can not be filled by a british worker.if iam a racist for not caring about other countrys people then so be it.the flood gates are open nowand we are drowning
The Americans are letting anyone in these days,mainly from south america to get more votes for Obama’s lot,not Brits the racist zb’s.
mickyblue:
That’s already happening Harry
What’s happening now is known as “the tip of the iceberg” 
Harry Monk:
Just wait until the end of 2014, when 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will have free access to the eu, at least Poles only steal our jobs whereas Bulgarians and Romanians will steal anything that isn’t bolted down.
But we’ll have to import everything they steal which will zb up the trade deficit and debt mountain even more.
Below is a small part of a very long post from Orys.
Likewise with say the rules in regard to wing tops on mudguards and how VOSA call that one, so again legal perhaps until you get off the ferry.
Actually, VOSA cannot do nothing if vehicle is legal in country of registration. Vienna convention ensures it. Otherwise French and Dutch trucks with yellow headlights will have trouble everywhere they go, British style blue bulbs in contour lights will have to be replaced with white in Dover and it would be illegal to drive British or Irish vehicle in Poland or Latvia, because according to the law in this country, vehicle with steering wheel on the right side can’t get homologation. If VOSA targets foreign trucks for that they have their vehicles up to specifications in their own country, I am sure that there has to be something wrong with it.
It just doesnt sound right to me.
Maybe someone can explain it.
Just not Orys.
Is Wikipedia accepted?
One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. The following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:
(…)
The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.
orys:
Is Wikipedia accepted?One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. The following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:
(…)
The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.
So the spray suppression rules are different in Poland, Orys ■■? I would of thought they would be bound by EU rules on that ■■?
billybigrig:
orys:
Is Wikipedia accepted?One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. The following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:
(…)
The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.So the spray suppression rules are different in Poland, Orys ■■? I would of thought they would be bound by EU rules on that ■■?
If we’re on about wing tops, I thought it was the case of low-ride units, if the trailer ran less than 100mm from the wheel top it was allowed to act as the spray supression, as any top would be in risk of contact and damage in that gap?
billybigrig:
orys:
Is Wikipedia accepted?One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. The following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:
(…)
The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.So the spray suppression rules are different in Poland, Orys ■■? I would of thought they would be bound by EU rules on that ■■?
Off course they are in Poland, but someone said that “vehicles were legal before they went on the ferry, but as soon as they get off, they are no longer road legal” therefore I was under impression that it means that Britain have some different rules regarding it than mainland Europe. So my point is: if they were road legal in Poland, France, Portugal or whenever they come from, the Britons have to respect it even if their requirements for their own trucks are different. And vice versa of course.
orys:
billybigrig:
orys:
Is Wikipedia accepted?One of the main benefits of the convention for motorists is the obligation on signatory countries to recognise the legality of vehicles from other signatory countries. The following requirements must be met when driving outside the country of registration:
(…)
The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.So the spray suppression rules are different in Poland, Orys ■■? I would of thought they would be bound by EU rules on that ■■?
Off course they are in Poland, but someone said that “vehicles were legal before they went on the ferry, but as soon as they get off, they are no longer road legal” therefore I was under impression that it means that Britain have some different rules regarding it than mainland Europe. So my point is: if they were road legal in Poland, France, Portugal or whenever they come from, the Britons have to respect it even if their requirements for their own trucks are different. And vice versa of course.
Yep that’s what I’m asking, Orys in order to clarify that point. Vosa require wing tops unless there is less then a minimal (I forget the measurement) clearance. So is this the case under Polish law too ■■?
billybigrig:
Yep that’s what I’m asking, Orys in order to clarify that point. Vosa require wing tops unless there is less then a minimal (I forget the measurement) clearance. So is this the case under Polish law too ■■?
I am sorry, I am not familiar with particular technical requirements, I might check that for you, if you wish, but please not today, as I am writing important article at this very moment.
My point was simply that if the trucks are legal in the country of registration, VOSA can do nothing even if British regulations are different. And of course, if the trucks aren’t roadworthy, VOSA actions will be exactly as legal as the actions of its counterparts in the country of registration in the same case.
orys:
billybigrig:
Yep that’s what I’m asking, Orys in order to clarify that point. Vosa require wing tops unless there is less then a minimal (I forget the measurement) clearance. So is this the case under Polish law too ■■?I am sorry, I am not familiar with particular technical requirements, I might check that for you, if you wish, but please not today, as I am writing important article at this very moment.
My point was simply that if the trucks are legal in the country of registration, VOSA can do nothing even if British regulations are different. And of course, if the trucks aren’t roadworthy, VOSA actions will be exactly as legal as the actions of its counterparts in the country of registration in the same case.
That is correct, a German lorry that is legal in Germany is also legal in the UK, although the registration number of the unit is not showing on the trailer.
Even an American truck and trailer,which doesn’t in any way comply with EU type approval or UK MOT requirements,is legal to be used here on temporary entry.
Carryfast:
Even an American truck and trailer,which doesn’t in any way comply with EU type approval or UK MOT requirements,is legal to be used here on temporary entry.
Maybe on some agreement with UK directly, because USA is not a signatary of Vienna convention on road traffic…
Carryfast:
Even an American truck and trailer,which doesn’t in any way comply with EU type approval or UK MOT requirements,is legal to be used here on temporary entry.
How comes Uncle Sam’s Circus can use there American rigs I think 99.99% of there fleet are American trucks ■■
Maybe cause of showmans licence but thats only a guess
Ahh yeah didn’t think of that till you said 
“old age”