voodoo1:
Im only 19, and guessing i have 47 years ? maybe longer till i retire ?
I’m not gona be sticking around long in the industry if i think im rambo on the foot pedal
I always stick to limits and what doesn’t get done tough
Surprising when im going 50 along duel carriageways, i feel like im driving a moped with all the rest of the lorries flying past
Better safe than sorry, if i get 3 points… i may as well go stack shelves for next 5 years lol.
do the A9 run, the 40 limit causes more deaths and accident on that road. and you can bet the [zb] sat at 35mph put there foot down so no one can get by when you get to the dual carriageway
No it is not the 40 limit for trucks that causes the accidents.It’s the bad driving.Only the other week I traveled down the A9.Not very far in front of me were a string of about 8 trucks all traveling far too close to each other which meant there was also a string of about 12 cars behind them who were also far too close to each other.The result being nobody could overtake safely.
All very pathetic really.
Agree 100%. The amount of cars that sit right behind a tractor is just pure stupidity and thickness, no other word for it. Then when they notice traffic hasn’t passed them on the opposite carriageway for a while they do their little edging out thing trying to see round the tractor… I’ve often overtaken about 3 cars and a tractor all at once because they are so far up each others arse they can’t even see to plan ahead, I’m already accelerating and on full boost when the last car from the opposite carriageway passes. Just ■■■■ ■■■■ driving from them it really is.
I don’t want the speed limit changed either. I can foresee more pressure being applied to: ‘do what you can as your leaving a bit late for the booking time’.
But it’s not that which worries me. It’s the increased chance of meeting an HGV coming the other way at 56.
I am quite sure that there will be those too macho to admit that they have been frightened by a lorry coming the other way, which never made any attempt to slow down at a point where the road narrowed.
The rest of us shudder at the memory of it - the amazement that the mirrors missed, or that they managed to stay on the road. The: “I stopped why the hell didn’t he?”
Someone in a hurry on an unfamiliar road, not realising what is around the next bend, but still pressing on at 56 since in his mind he’s going to get away with 56 because it’s inside 10% + 2mph. - that’s the one I don’t want to meet.
sewerat:
there’s some right nancy boys in this game nowadays.
one reason this country is on its arse is because of people that read the rule book, and if the rule book dosn’t have the relevent rule, then they make a new rule.
A bit puzzled mate, do you mean the 56mph men are the nancy boys, ie they read the rule book see it’s 40, not relevant to them so make a new rule to do 56■■ … or the 40MPH men on A roads who want to keep a clean licence, are they nancy boys??.. just curious
i think it’s obvious. However, Just for you. The 40mph boys are the fools. Travelling at 40mph on a road that is good enough for a much higher speed is plain stupid. Drivers should be considerate to other road users, and if it means bending the rules, Then so be it.
sewerat:
there’s some right nancy boys in this game nowadays.
one reason this country is on its arse is because of people that read the rule book, and if the rule book dosn’t have the relevent rule, then they make a new rule.
A bit puzzled mate, do you mean the 56mph men are the nancy boys, ie they read the rule book see it’s 40, not relevant to them so make a new rule to do 56■■ … or the 40MPH men on A roads who want to keep a clean licence, are they nancy boys??.. just curious
i think it’s obvious. However, Just for you. The 40mph boys are the fools. Travelling at 40mph on a road that is good enough for a much higher speed is plain stupid. Drivers should be considerate to other road users, and if it means bending the rules, Then so be it.
I apologise for my inferior intelligence to yours, but thanks for explaining…just for me!.. So it’s clear now, I’m a nancyboy AND a fool, how far do you go with the bending the rules bit exactly, speeding only… or maybe driver’s hours, breaks for instance,what is your opinion on them, and what wise words about max driving times…I promise to try and keep up this time
If it is safe then bend the rules. For example, If one of my drivers wants to get to a nice quiet parking area where he knows he won’t get disturbed then i’d prefer him to do this. He’ll be refreshed and alert the following day. Therefore he’ll be more profitable. But after saying that, it is very rare that they do nights out.
From a safety point of view, we’re no longer driving trucks from the 70’s and 80’s.
Units and trailers have ABS. Most units have disc brakes and a lot of trailers do now too. We can stop 44 tonnes far quicker and safer than you used to be able to stop 38 tonnes 20 years ago.
From the driver point of view, the medical, the test and driver training are far better than they used to be. In the 70’s and 80’s you still had drivers who had never ever taken a test but got a license given to them during the war.
sewerat:
If it is safe then bend the rules. For example, If one of my drivers wants to get to a nice quiet parking area where he knows he won’t get disturbed then i’d prefer him to do this. He’ll be refreshed and alert the following day. Therefore he’ll be more profitable. But after saying that, it is very rare that they do nights out.
I was right in the other thread. When you say you have drivers who want to work for a living you did mean drivers who are prepared to run bent.
I’d love to find out what your company’s name was.
Conor:
From a safety point of view, we’re no longer driving trucks from the 70’s and 80’s.
Units and trailers have ABS. Most units have disc brakes and a lot of trailers do now too. We can stop 44 tonnes far quicker and safer than you used to be able to stop 38 tonnes 20 years ago.
From the driver point of view, the medical, the test and driver training are far better than they used to be. In the 70’s and 80’s you still had drivers who had never ever taken a test but got a license given to them during the war.
Yes you can stop a modern 44t vehicle from 50mph quicker than an old 38t vehicle from 40mph, but the freight is the same. The idea is NOT to be stopping it that fast, otherwise you’ve usually got a lot of cleaning / picking up to do. What about trucks carrying liquids, especially milk (no baffles) or IBC’s etc, different speed limits?
Yes, technology has changed, but a human is still a human, reaction times are similar to what they’ve always been - even in this age of computer game playing people
sewerat:
If it is safe then bend the rules. For example, If one of my drivers wants to get to a nice quiet parking area where he knows he won’t get disturbed then i’d prefer him to do this. He’ll be refreshed and alert the following day. Therefore he’ll be more profitable. But after saying that, it is very rare that they do nights out.
I was right in the other thread. When you say you have drivers who want to work for a living you did mean drivers who are prepared to run bent.
I’d love to find out what your company’s name was.
It isn’t running bent. You can work outside of the EU regulations on the grounds of safety. The big book of regulations dosn’t state what is or isn’t to be considered when departing from the regs, It just gives a few examples. It is then up to the driver to determine what is the right thing to do.
why do you want to know the names of my companies?
The a75 from Gretna to Stranraer is almost 100 miles long with only small sections of it being dual carriageway. There are stretches of that road which have lanes as wide as some 2 laned dual carriageways. This road shouldn’t be a blanket 40 mph on single lane sections but it is a road that should have some sections of 50mph due to the width and straightness for miles with no other joining roads meeting it.
Dumfries & Galloways police made sure a few years ago that there would be no excuses for truckers to be speeding by erecting several signs with the HGV 40 symbol. There can be no excuse now for a trucker to say I thought it was 50 or whatever, but most of their revenue must come from speeding fines on that road (I was done there 11 years ago at 11.20pm doing 53mph by an unmarked silver mercedes who was hiding in a layby on the opposite side of the road behind a truck at the bottom of a long decent on the widest and straightest passages of that road). They (D&G police) would be the first to oppose any proposed speed limit change for HGV’s.
The main point Im making though is that this road is an example of how roads differ. The A75 looks like a different road in different places and should be lablelled accordingly. They could make a dual carriageway out of some of it by just putting a central reservation in because it is already wide enough, then we could do 50.
sewerat:
there’s some right nancy boys in this game nowadays.
one reason this country is on its arse is because of people that read the rule book, and if the rule book dosn’t have the relevent rule, then they make a new rule.
A bit puzzled mate, do you mean the 56mph men are the nancy boys, ie they read the rule book see it’s 40, not relevant to them so make a new rule to do 56■■ … or the 40MPH men on A roads who want to keep a clean licence, are they nancy boys??.. just curious
i think it’s obvious. However, Just for you. The 40mph boys are the fools. Travelling at 40mph on a road that is good enough for a much higher speed is plain stupid. Drivers should be considerate to other road users, and if it means bending the rules, Then so be it.
I suppose they have let you out of the asylum for the Christmas period.
sewerat:
If it is safe then bend the rules. For example, If one of my drivers wants to get to a nice quiet parking area where he knows he won’t get disturbed then i’d prefer him to do this. He’ll be refreshed and alert the following day. Therefore he’ll be more profitable. But after saying that, it is very rare that they do nights out.
I was right in the other thread. When you say you have drivers who want to work for a living you did mean drivers who are prepared to run bent.
I’d love to find out what your company’s name was.
It isn’t running bent. You can work outside of the EU regulations on the grounds of safety. The big book of regulations dosn’t state what is or isn’t to be considered when departing from the regs, It just gives a few examples. It is then up to the driver to determine what is the right thing to do.
why do you want to know the names of my companies?
I think it’s obvious, however just for you , (from a stupid nancyboy ) , it’s maybe that you come across as an operator with a cavalier attitude to the laws and regulations on the road, and the haulage industry, I hope this helps.
It’s almost as if they place the signs for HGVs 40 in certain places as if to say “We know its safe to do 50 here but its 40”. Everytime I go down the a75 I never see speed traps on the winding and unsafe stretches, just on the straight and wide open stretches"
Kerbdog:
The a75 from Gretna to Stranraer is almost 100 miles long with only small sections of it being dual carriageway. There are stretches of that road which have lanes as wide as some 2 laned dual carriageways. This road shouldn’t be a blanket 40 mph on single lane sections but it is a road that should have some sections of 50mph due to the width and straightness for miles with no other joining roads meeting it.
Dumfries & Galloways police made sure a few years ago that there would be no excuses for truckers to be speeding by erecting several signs with the HGV 40 symbol. There can be no excuse now for a trucker to say I thought it was 50 or whatever, but most of their revenue must come from speeding fines on that road (I was done there 11 years ago at 11.20pm doing 53mph by an unmarked silver mercedes who was hiding in a layby on the opposite side of the road behind a truck at the bottom of a long decent on the widest and straightest passages of that road). They (D&G police) would be the first to oppose any proposed speed limit change for HGV’s.
The main point Im making though is that this road is an example of how roads differ. The A75 looks like a different road in different places and should be lablelled accordingly. They could make a dual carriageway out of some of it by just putting a central reservation in because it is already wide enough, then we could do 50.
I first drove along this road in 1972 with a furniture pantechnicon and the mirrors were continually push in by the lunatics off the ferry, mostly Irish. There were regular accidents along that road, the only straight bit being near Castle Douglas.
It used to take 6 hours from London to Gretna, 300 miles and 4 hours from Gretna to Stranraer, 100 miles.
sewerat:
there’s some right nancy boys in this game nowadays.
one reason this country is on its arse is because of people that read the rule book, and if the rule book dosn’t have the relevent rule, then they make a new rule.
i think it’s obvious. However, Just for you. The 40mph boys are the fools. Travelling at 40mph on a road that is good enough for a much higher speed is plain stupid. Drivers should be considerate to other road users, and if it means bending the rules, Then so be it.
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I suppose they have let you out of the asylum for the Christmas period.
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GIVE HIM ENOUGH
Conor:
From a safety point of view, we’re no longer driving trucks from the 70’s and 80’s.
Units and trailers have ABS. Most units have disc brakes and a lot of trailers do now too. We can stop 44 tonnes far quicker and safer than you used to be able to stop 38 tonnes 20 years ago.
From the driver point of view, the medical, the test and driver training are far better than they used to be. In the 70’s and 80’s you still had drivers who had never ever taken a test but got a license given to them during the war.
Conor I am a bit puzzled by your post.Yes I agree trucks have better braking systems than years ago but what has that got to do with keeping a safe distance and being considerate to other drivers.
If trucks travel too close together no matter how good their breaks are they will not stop in an emergency.We as professionals should know what a safe traveling distance from the vehicle in front but from what I see constantly on many roads is that a lot of drivers do not keep a safe gap and have no consideration for other road users.
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It isn’t running bent. You can work outside of the EU regulations on the grounds of safety. The big book of regulations dosn’t state what is or isn’t to be considered when departing from the regs, It just gives a few examples. It is then up to the driver to determine what is the right thing to do.
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I spent many years working with people who thought they above the law. It was always fascinating to hear their justification for doing it. The one factor that always stood out was, GREED.
It isn’t running bent. You can work outside of the EU regulations on the grounds of safety. The big book of regulations dosn’t state what is or isn’t to be considered when departing from the regs, It just gives a few examples. It is then up to the driver to determine what is the right thing to do.
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I spent many years working with people who thought they above the law. It was always fascinating to hear their justification for doing it. The one factor that always stood out was, GREED.
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I will agree that Greed would be a driving factor for breaking the law.
I’d be a bad businessman if i wasn’t greedy. it kind of goes hand in hand.
and from a business point of view. It’s not good for marketing to see a sign written vehicle holding up a load of cars. The people in those cars are consumers, They put the profit into the businesses that i make my profit from. Those cars that are being held up may contain the man that rings me up to order a vehicle.
Speaking as one of the aforementioned “nancy boys”, I should point out that a lot of us don’t have any choice in the matter. we are on live satellite tracking, the company (which does EVERYTHING 100% by the book, one of the reasons we NEVER get stopped by VOSA)) is onto us like a ton of bricks if we start breaking the speed limit. they know exactly where we are and what the limit on that road is at all times.
We also get paid on the hour, so driving faster is counter productive.
going back about 5 years one of our vehicles was involved in collision on a single track section of the A5 going towards magna park. (google it, if you want) the car coming the other way was doing about 80, went onto the wrong side of the road and had a head on with one of our trucks doing 56 (illegally). Maybe our driver wouldn’t have been able to avoid her if he’d been doing 40, I don’t know. she may have survived if he had, though. still at least he wasn’t holding up any of you non-nancy boys, eh?
do your company image a world of good with one of your sign written vehicles that has a mondeo embedded in the front grill with a body being cut out, wouldn’t it?
sewerat:
there’s some right nancy boys in this game nowadays.
one reason this country is on its arse is because of people that read the rule book, and if the rule book dosn’t have the relevent rule, then they make a new rule.
A bit puzzled mate, do you mean the 56mph men are the nancy boys, ie they read the rule book see it’s 40, not relevant to them so make a new rule to do 56■■ … or the 40MPH men on A roads who want to keep a clean licence, are they nancy boys??.. just curious
i think it’s obvious. However, Just for you. The 40mph boys are the fools. Travelling at 40mph on a road that is good enough for a much higher speed is plain stupid. Drivers should be considerate to other road users, and if it means bending the rules, Then so be it.
So if a driver that speeds has an accident running on the limiter, will it be ok to say some keyboard warrior on an Internet forum told me I’m a fool for sticking to the speed limit. Will the police etc say that’s ok carry on speeding?
, (from a stupid nancyboy 
