Magazine road tests are hardly going to be comparable, Carryfast’s beloved Americans cannot agree on weights, distance, volume or spelling, they make their own up numbers:lol:
Didn’t Truck Magazine put the 8V92-engined TM against its competitors in their Eurotest series? Someone must have a copy of this to hand.
Failing that, I have just tried to find, unsuccessfully, on the interweb, one of those diagrams that manufacturers used to publish before the emissions regulations dented the efficiency and made them an embarrassment. The ones showing the torque curve with concentric blobs for increasing specific fuel consumption beneath the curve- has anyone got one of these for the Detroit engine?
I’m glad people can see what I’m saying compare like for like
AFAIK the only test of a big TM was one with a E370 ■■■■■■■ against a 142, non intercooled IIRC, other than that the only TM tests I remember were a 24/26t artic with a single axle trailer, that probably had the 500 engine, there was also a test of one with an E290, can’t ever remember a DD engine on test though 
kr79:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
Totally true but the only reason we have got to 700bhp is so scania and Volvo can say mines bigger than yours 400 to 440 is more than adequate fo 44 tons in the uk
Once you can acheive 56mph up hill and down dale all day long fully loaded then it dont matter how much bhp you`ve got you cant improve on that speed
Dont know if anyone else as a view on this but the older engines like the E290 ■■■■■■■ were seen as a powerful and good pulling engine ( i remember my dad getting a new Marathon with a 290 ■■■■■■■ in and that could go),but ive driven a few "newer " 290s i.e a Merc 1729 and a 290 GT Reno and they were absolutely gutless.
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.
kr79:
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.
Its like theyve gone soft i dont think the 56 mph limiter helps as you could get a decent run at the hills before maybe without the limiter they`d be different
kr79:
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.
These days It might say 440 hp but thats only when the computer or electric throttle lets you use it ! A 70’s motor with a 290 ■■■■■■■ would burn some of these modern contraptions off the road 
Trev_H:
kr79:
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.These days It might say 440 hp but thats only when the computer or electric throttle lets you use it ! A 70’s motor with a 290 ■■■■■■■ would burn some of these modern contraptions off the road
Yeah so what would the mighty V8 Detroit do then 
ramone:
Trev_H:
kr79:
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.These days It might say 440 hp but thats only when the computer or electric throttle lets you use it ! A 70’s motor with a 290 ■■■■■■■ would burn some of these modern contraptions off the road
Yeah so what would the mighty V8 Detroit do then
Your just trying to goad “carryfast” back onto the thread aren’t you “ramone” and with all his attendant diatribe that goes with his appearance!!! Cheers Dennis.
ramone:
Yeah so what would the mighty V8 Detroit do then
About 4mpg on a good day !
Bewick:
ramone:
Trev_H:
kr79:
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.These days It might say 440 hp but thats only when the computer or electric throttle lets you use it ! A 70’s motor with a 290 ■■■■■■■ would burn some of these modern contraptions off the road
Yeah so what would the mighty V8 Detroit do then
Your just trying to goad “carryfast” back onto the thread aren’t you “ramone” and with all his attendant diatribe that goes with his appearance!!! Cheers Dennis.
Thats easy Dennis i would like to find out how many people on here have actually driven a wagon with D/D V8 engine in 
and their comments as I found you were forever changing gear ( as you had to keep them screaming ) and they drank faster than anyone I know
cheers Johnnie
Hi Sammie.GGD had a TM3800 V8 on demo from Kirby Central at North Anston.I was on trunk and piked this big square thing off in t’yard so asked for it instead of a weedy Scania 81. You are right about screaming,I thought throttle was stuck,but once used to it,what a tool 
.For the life of me I can’t recall what box was in it,maybe a Spicer,not sure if there was an option for a Fuller,any idea?
Bewick:
ramone:
Trev_H:
kr79:
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.These days It might say 440 hp but thats only when the computer or electric throttle lets you use it ! A 70’s motor with a 290 ■■■■■■■ would burn some of these modern contraptions off the road
Yeah so what would the mighty V8 Detroit do then
Your just trying to goad “carryfast” back onto the thread aren’t you “ramone” and with all his attendant diatribe that goes with his appearance!!! Cheers Dennis.
Who me ? no never
Trev_H:
ramone:
Yeah so what would the mighty V8 Detroit do thenAbout 4mpg on a good day !
Probably why they didnt sell many and the technology wasnt there then to justify that sort of power at 32 tons , but im going to stick my neck out here and say i bet a certain someone dosent agree 
On thinking back to late sixties and up to the late seventies,no one has come up with, what i found with many of the larger haulage companies. They had a system of driver seniority where the longest serving driver had the best truck in the fleet and the new starts got the rubbish. So you could have a new start with a 150 expected to do the same work as the road forman with a 240. When a Demonstrator arrived in the yard it was always one of the chosen few who had it for the week, where they would thrash the living daylights out of it, returning about three miles to the gallon and then bragg to the other drivers about how well it would go. Knowing full well that the boss would not order any because of the fuel consumption alone.
If they had used a little bit of the grey matter and kept the right foot off a bit i am sure that many companies would have changed over to continental trucks long before they did. But there again nothings changed the lorry driver is still his worst enemy.
Regards Jamie.
A Scot Lost in the valley’s.
sammyopisite:
Bewick:
ramone:
Trev_H:
kr79:
I know what you mean a few years ago I drove a scania 143 450 and foden 4450s with the big ■■■■■■■ in and they seemed to pull much better than the man tga 440s my firm now has.These days It might say 440 hp but thats only when the computer or electric throttle lets you use it ! A 70’s motor with a 290 ■■■■■■■ would burn some of these modern contraptions off the road
Yeah so what would the mighty V8 Detroit do then
Your just trying to goad “carryfast” back onto the thread aren’t you “ramone” and with all his attendant diatribe that goes with his appearance!!! Cheers Dennis.
Thats easy Dennis i would like to find out how many people on here have actually driven a wagon with D/D V8 engine in
cheers Johnnie
Which just brings us back to my comments about an objective overview without the obvious issues which applied on the home market here in the case of naturally aspirated,relatively small capacity engines,that in most markets would have been specced more often to power buses and lightweight trucks than 30+ tonners.
Think I am probably one of the (very) few in the uk at the time who’s got experience of using them ‘correctly specced’ for the job they were employed on regardless of wether that was powering fire trucks or commercials.In which case their efficiency was as good as,if not better than,anything else on the market at the time.Hence the the survival of the firm up to date. 
Wheel Nut:
Magazine road tests are hardly going to be comparable, Carryfast’s beloved Americans cannot agree on weights, distance, volume or spelling, they make their own up numbers:lol:
But that’s not how the ozzies saw it when they deserted the Brits in droves and bought yank wagons powered by yank engines instead.
And just to prove that I’m not totally biased
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
Magazine road tests are hardly going to be comparable, Carryfast’s beloved Americans cannot agree on weights, distance, volume or spelling, they make their own up numbers:lol:But that’s not how the ozzies saw it when they deserted the Brits in droves and bought yank wagons powered by yank engines instead.
And just to prove that I’m not totally biased
I agree with you totally, we should have American B train doubles running up and down the M6 and across the M62, it doesn’t matter if they only do 4mpg because they are going to save three mens wages and gross off at 80 European tonnes. You can be training officer and teach everyone to drive them.
we can use these little ones for high street deliveries.
Now then what did you say about market share?
Isn’t it the Japanese who have the lions share?
