Wheel Nut:
Magazine road tests are hardly going to be comparable, Carryfast’s beloved Americans cannot agree on weights, distance, volume or spelling, they make their own up numbers:lol:
But that’s not how the ozzies saw it when they deserted the Brits in droves and bought yank wagons powered by yank engines instead.
I agree with you totally, we should have American B train doubles running up and down the M6 and across the M62, it doesn’t matter if they only do 4mpg because they are going to save three mens wages and gross off at 80 European tonnes. You can be training officer and teach everyone to drive them.
we can use these little ones for high street deliveries.
Now then what did you say about market share?
Isn’t it the Japanese who have the lions share?
I could’nt care less about ‘market share’ just staying in business would have been good enough in this ‘context’. Although having said that it seems a bit ironic that some orientals who tried to wipe us,the yanks,and the ozzzies out not that long ago seem to have managed to make a good living flogging sub standard tat that could’nt pull a road train even if someone was mad enough to buy one to do it.
But if the thing can return 4 mpg at 80 t just think how much it can do when it’s running at around 45 t lighter than that pulling a yank trailer in it’s homeland.
Malc, the market share figures for Daimler AG put them in 2nd place overall, Freightliner, Western Star, Fuso and Merc are all Daimler AG owned, ok so they’re combined figures, but the Daimler shareholders probably don’t worry too much about that, better that I raised the point than Carryfast, he would only gloat
newmercman:
Malc, the market share figures for Daimler AG put them in 2nd place overall, Freightliner, Western Star, Fuso and Merc are all Daimler AG owned, ok so they’re combined figures, but the Daimler shareholders probably don’t worry too much about that, better that I raised the point than Carryfast, he would only gloat
Almost 7 mpg average running up zb great big hills fully freighted at 70-75 mph with double drive but it’s a zb nuisance when those cars keep getting get in the way .That’s my type of Bedford for the new era.
When you check out the video Carryfast posted above, look at the one next to it titled ‘blowing smoke’ that’s the same truck and if that gets 7mpg (US) then I’m a Chinaman
Carryfast, you know all about the relationship between power/rpm/torque, are you as clued up on the relationship between turbo boost and hp?
That Freightshaker is running over 40psi, that’s in CAT twin turbo territory and is way more than a 60 series usually produces, he must have a good exhaust set up though as the pyro temp is pretty low, I would say that has a ported/coated manifold, the turbo VGT disabled and straight through pipes, oh and a doctored ECM to get all that power in the first place.
newmercman:
When you check out the video Carryfast posted above, look at the one next to it titled ‘blowing smoke’ that’s the same truck and if that gets 7mpg (US) then I’m a Chinaman
Carryfast, you know all about the relationship between power/rpm/torque, are you as clued up on the relationship between turbo boost and hp?
That Freightshaker is running over 40psi, that’s in CAT twin turbo territory and is way more than a 60 series usually produces, he must have a good exhaust set up though as the pyro temp is pretty low, I would say that has a ported/coated manifold, the turbo VGT disabled and straight through pipes, oh and a doctored ECM to get all that power in the first place.
I think he’s saying that he’s made a lot of mods since the last vid in the description and there’s probably not much point in saying that the thing can run at reasonable rates of economy if it can’t and if just an outright power race truck type spec was his goal .
But forced induction and making an engine that’s able to live with it is the secret to all modern day diesel efficiency and it’s why I’ve been making the point that the turbocharged 8V92 was a much more efficient engine than the naturally aspirated 8V71 and 6V71 that those few Brit guvnors that bought the TM put in it even if that posted vid was a bit of an ott example of going a bit mad with what the modern offering can do if someone wants to put their mind to it.
Although having said that Detroit are listing a 600 hp option and I’d bet they are’nt doing that without also knowing that they can come up with some decent fuel figures to go with it .
But extreme boost pressures definitely.Do you remember the old BMW 1500 saloon car engine in F1 that was ‘persuaded’ to give out 1,500 bhp with a ‘bit’ of extra air and fuel thrown into it .A high specific torque output is just BMEP and that’s what you’re looking for in an engine to make good a good fuel consumption/power output compromise ‘if’ the engine is strong enough to live with it without grenading itself .
But if he ‘was’ actually telling the truth there’s probably a lot of operators here now kicking themselves running 44 tonners at around 7-8 mpg when you consider what that thing could if it was de rated to 460 hp with your single drive preference and limited to 85-90 kmh in the new Bedford TM that never was.
kr79:
Not watch bid yet but isn’t the 60 series a four stroke
If it had’nt have been for the two stroke series of engines and the know how,sales,and reputation they built up for the firm there probably would’nt have been any money in the bank to develop the more modern engine range to suit the requirements of the market now.
That’ll be the Brabham BMW BT52, in qualifying spec it had almost 1500hp, from a little 1500cc four pot, although it was probably running a little bit more boost than that 60 series I would say
The 600hp offering from the DD range is the DD16, it’s not a mainstream engine, more for the logging trucks and heavy haul and is fitted in more Western Stars than Freightliners. The DD15 has a 560hp option, that has turbocompounding too
You mention the 92s being more efficient than the 71s, yes they were, a turbo engine will always be better than a naturally aspirated version, in terms of bang for your buck, but in reality, they were all flawed designs, the two stroke died out years before the current emission regs, DD were the only ones using it, ■■■■■■■■ CAT and every other manufacturer in the world were using four stroke designs, it was only the American market that would support such outdated and inefficient designs, remember this is a market that doesn’t want ‘new fangled’ disc brakes, even though they’re proven to be better/lighter/cheaper to maintain than the equivalent drums, they also think a Harley is the pinnacle of engineering FFS I deal with these people on a daily basis and trust me, they’re scary at times
The two stroke is an idea that works better in theory than practice, a bit like marriage
newmercman:
That’ll be the Brabham BMW BT52, in qualifying spec it had almost 1500hp, from a little 1500cc four pot, although it was probably running a little bit more boost than that 60 series I would say
The 600hp offering from the DD range is the DD16, it’s not a mainstream engine, more for the logging trucks and heavy haul and is fitted in more Western Stars than Freightliners. The DD15 has a 560hp option, that has turbocompounding too
You mention the 92s being more efficient than the 71s, yes they were, a turbo engine will always be better than a naturally aspirated version, in terms of bang for your buck, but in reality, they were all flawed designs, the two stroke died out years before the current emission regs, DD were the only ones using it, ■■■■■■■■ CAT and every other manufacturer in the world were using four stroke designs, it was only the American market that would support such outdated and inefficient designs, remember this is a market that doesn’t want ‘new fangled’ disc brakes, even though they’re proven to be better/lighter/cheaper to maintain than the equivalent drums, they also think a Harley is the pinnacle of engineering FFS I deal with these people on a daily basis and trust me, they’re scary at times
The two stroke is an idea that works better in theory than practice, a bit like marriage
I still reckon the word is ‘different’ not ‘flawed’ it’s just that everything has to be a compromise and at that time the idea provided just as much extra bang for the buck,over a four stroke,as then increasing the size to the 92 series and fitting the turbo on it did in the next stage of development.
But flawed never that was all naturally aspirated diesel engines,especially the zb Gardner and the type of Brit heaps that the home market wanted it fitted in and that’s one of the reasons why we’re having the discussion on the topic now and why there is’nt a modern day TM with a modern day Detroit in it sorting out the opposition now just as it could have done then.
newmercman:
That’ll be the Brabham BMW BT52, in qualifying spec it had almost 1500hp, from a little 1500cc four pot, although it was probably running a little bit more boost than that 60 series I would say
The 600hp offering from the DD range is the DD16, it’s not a mainstream engine, more for the logging trucks and heavy haul and is fitted in more Western Stars than Freightliners. The DD15 has a 560hp option, that has turbocompounding too
You mention the 92s being more efficient than the 71s, yes they were, a turbo engine will always be better than a naturally aspirated version, in terms of bang for your buck, but in reality, they were all flawed designs, the two stroke died out years before the current emission regs, DD were the only ones using it, ■■■■■■■■ CAT and every other manufacturer in the world were using four stroke designs, it was only the American market that would support such outdated and inefficient designs, remember this is a market that doesn’t want ‘new fangled’ disc brakes, even though they’re proven to be better/lighter/cheaper to maintain than the equivalent drums, they also think a Harley is the pinnacle of engineering FFS I deal with these people on a daily basis and trust me, they’re scary at times
The two stroke is an idea that works better in theory than practice, a bit like marriage
Are you talking about disc brakes on the lorry here Newmercman as we had endless problems with disc braked trailers where i worked.In fact just last week my former employers were told by their biggest customer to remove the 80 disc braked trailers they had on their site due to problems.The calipers ceased regularily causing wheels to locxk up which would in turn ruin a tyre.I lost count the amount of breakdowns we had with them.The rental company we used stopped buying them and went back to drums.I think Longs of Leeds also sent theirs back but im not 100 % on that one
I’ve been round trailers on landfill work for 11 years with disc brakes and never had a problem with them and couldn’t think of a worse environment for them.
kr79:
I’ve been round trailers on landfill work for 11 years with disc brakes and never had a problem with them and couldn’t think of a worse environment for them.
The problems that we had were discs cracking and locking up and like i said earlier calipers ceasing ,we ran on very light work carrying around 6 tons ,now i dont know if that was the problem,we had tandems on drums that had to be relined every m.o.t as the the shoes glazed but that problem never happened with the tri axles
Ramone, if you have problems with calipers seizing then two things come to mind, firstly, lack of maintenance or grease, secondly, a design fault in the caliper. I would say that discs are far superior to drums or they wouldn’t be using them everywhere else in the world but under an American truck
I was right about the 142/TM test Oh yeah, what a nerd I am
We have been out for a pint and on the way to the pub, my mate was rambling on about American trucks, if I didn’t know better I could have sworn he was Carryfast.
He had seen a picture of a Transcontinental and asked if they were the biggest truck. I said they probably were in the day but the MAN TGA and Magnum dwarf them nowadays.
But then the, “yeah but those American bonnet control trucks are better”
Define better…
Well bigger, like Americans fatter…
longer… Yeah 53’ trailers
bigger cabs… not necessarily, tiny driving position
big sleeper cabs… yeah huge dog kennels on the back to keep clutter free
Enough was enough… “They look good on 1970’s films with a bit of totty in them, they carry less than European trucks, they use more fuel, they are still primitive and I bet they rattle.” I also used the HD argument and ordered another pint
newmercman:
Ramone, if you have problems with calipers seizing then two things come to mind, firstly, lack of maintenance or grease, secondly, a design fault in the caliper. I would say that discs are far superior to drums or they wouldn’t be using them everywhere else in the world but under an American truck
I was right about the 142/TM test Oh yeah, what a nerd I am
You need to ask Hill Hire that question as they owned , and serviced all the disc braked trailers on an 8 week cycle due to our o licence requirements,last i heard they weren`t buying anymore
Wheel Nut:
We have been out for a pint and on the way to the pub, my mate was rambling on about American trucks, if I didn’t know better I could have sworn he was Carryfast.
He had seen a picture of a Transcontinental and asked if they were the biggest truck. I said they probably were in the day but the MAN TGA and Magnum dwarf them nowadays.
But then the, “yeah but those American bonnet control trucks are better”
Define better…
Well bigger, like Americans fatter…
longer… Yeah 53’ trailers
bigger cabs… not necessarily, tiny driving position
big sleeper cabs… yeah huge dog kennels on the back to keep clutter free
Enough was enough… “They look good on 1970’s films with a bit of totty in them, they carry less than European trucks, they use more fuel, they are still primitive and I bet they rattle.” I also used the HD argument and ordered another pint
Are Volvo getting into the USA markets now i know they own White but thought the american drivers didnt like the cabs and were no fans of synchro boxes......doesnt that smack of people not wanting to change their ways and go for more modern thinking,a bit like those english hauliers who wouldn`t buy Bedford TMs with DD V8s ?
and there’s probably not much point in saying that the thing can run at reasonable rates of economy if it can’t and if just an outright power race truck type spec was his goal 
I deal with these people on a daily basis and trust me, they’re scary at times 
trucks are better”