Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
Malc its as well they don’t have Aberdeen overdrive on the wagons nowadays 
cheers Johnnie 
sammyopisite:
This is a point of interest the Scammell Crusader 6x4 was introduced with the V8 D/D as the standard engine and I know the M.O.D. had a fair few but how many with the D/D as I seem to recall a lot had the Rolls Royce in for whatever reason.
cheers Johnnie
As Bedford found later with the TM it was probably market resistance in the British market to Detroit engines for haulage wagons so it’s not surprising that the Rolls option would often have been chosen.Like the Bedford if there had been the demand in the market for the more powerful turbocharged 8V92 it would have made another advanced,for the time,British wagon.
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
But that same good man with a 480 DAF could probably do it using less fuel .
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
But that same good man with a 480 DAF could probably do it using less fuel
We once had a dozy (zb) of a driver take a loaded curtainsider back to Bowater-Scotts at Barrow and he swore blind he couldn’t tell it was loaded I kid you not!!(with about 9ton of tissue)----The motor in question was------ a Guy Big J 180LXB,and there are a few gradients to climb on the way into Barrow!! Similar outfit to this one,which is shot on it’s way back from Barrow with probably an identical load and it has a line of traffic behind it as it is climbing what is known as “barrow banks” at High Newton.I wonder if thats “carryfast” in the ERF,looks like he’s just managing to keep up because he’s empty and the ERF probably only has a 5LW engine,magic!! 17 MPG,loaded or empty!! Cheers Bewick
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
But that same good man with a 480 DAF could probably do it using less fuel
We once had a dozy (zb) of a driver take a loaded curtainsider back to Bowater-Scotts at Barrow and he swore blind he couldn’t tell it was loaded I kid you not!!(with about 9ton of tissue)----The motor in question was------ a Guy Big J 180LXB,and there are a few gradients to climb on the way into Barrow!! Similar outfit to this one,which is shot on it’s way back from Barrow with probably an identical load and it has a line of traffic behind it as it is climbing what is known as “barrow banks” at High Newton.I wonder if thats “carryfast” in the ERF,looks like he’s just managing to keep up because he’s empty and the ERF probably only has a 5LW engine,magic!! 17 MPG,loaded or empty!! Cheers Bewick
Bewick have you ever had the slightest thought to this day that just maybe it was because that driver could’nt tell the difference between a loaded one and an empty one because of just how gutless the zb thing was when it was empty not how well it was going when it was loaded. 
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
Totally true but the only reason we have got to 700bhp is so scania and Volvo can say mines bigger than yours 400 to 440 is more than adequate fo 44 tons in the uk
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
But that same good man with a 480 DAF could probably do it using less fuel
We once had a dozy (zb) of a driver take a loaded curtainsider back to Bowater-Scotts at Barrow and he swore blind he couldn’t tell it was loaded I kid you not!!(with about 9ton of tissue)----The motor in question was------ a Guy Big J 180LXB,and there are a few gradients to climb on the way into Barrow!! Similar outfit to this one,which is shot on it’s way back from Barrow with probably an identical load and it has a line of traffic behind it as it is climbing what is known as “barrow banks” at High Newton.I wonder if thats “carryfast” in the ERF,looks like he’s just managing to keep up because he’s empty and the ERF probably only has a 5LW engine,magic!! 17 MPG,loaded or empty!! Cheers Bewick
Bewick have you ever had the slightest thought to this day that just maybe it was because that driver could’nt tell the difference between a loaded one and an empty one because of just how gutless the zb thing was when it was empty not how well it was going when it was loaded.
Got to give it to you “carryfast” you can always put a different slant to something!! Is that what is meant by “thinking outside the box” ? But in your case I would say that you need putting back in the(zb) box!! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
But that same good man with a 480 DAF could probably do it using less fuel
We once had a dozy (zb) of a driver take a loaded curtainsider back to Bowater-Scotts at Barrow and he swore blind he couldn’t tell it was loaded I kid you not!!(with about 9ton of tissue)----The motor in question was------ a Guy Big J 180LXB,and there are a few gradients to climb on the way into Barrow!! Similar outfit to this one,which is shot on it’s way back from Barrow with probably an identical load and it has a line of traffic behind it as it is climbing what is known as “barrow banks” at High Newton.I wonder if thats “carryfast” in the ERF,looks like he’s just managing to keep up because he’s empty and the ERF probably only has a 5LW engine,magic!! 17 MPG,loaded or empty!! Cheers Bewick
Bewick have you ever had the slightest thought to this day that just maybe it was because that driver could’nt tell the difference between a loaded one and an empty one because of just how gutless the zb thing was when it was empty not how well it was going when it was loaded.
Got to give it to you “carryfast” you can always put a different slant to something!! Is that what is meant by “thinking outside the box” ? But in your case I would say that you need putting back in the(zb) box!! Cheers Bewick.
I bet they earned more money in a week,than the modern motors earn in a month .
Cheers Dave.
The Bowater Scott traffic wasn’t exactly our “best rated” but it was 3 or 4 loads a day,sometimes more,and went to the area where we needed to be,Tilbury.By 1985 the rates had been supressed to such an extent,and we had gained more lucrative traffic eleswhere,that we pulled out of the Bowater-Scott traffic at Christmas of that year.The job had been ruined by the introduction of up-starts with Bowaters being their only customer and they got permantly screwed every which way the only winner being Bowaters!! Cheers Dennis.
sammyopisite:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
Malc its as well they don’t have Aberdeen overdrive on the wagons nowadays
cheers Johnnie
Johnnie, The Volvo FH I have with the i-shift box has Aberdeen overdrive , in economy mode if the weight or gradient overcomes the cruise control it slips into neutral and coasts, you can then preset the speed at which you want it to engage top and apply the 3 stage exhaust brake. The only problem with this is that if you have travelled above 90kph for more than half a minute it records an overspeed on the digital tacho 
even though you are still below the legal speed limit 
Now you know why I’d sooner have a Guy or Crusader back, their 290 hp had a lot more punch than the modern computer controlled 440hp.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
But that same good man with a 480 DAF could probably do it using less fuel
We once had a dozy (zb) of a driver take a loaded curtainsider back to Bowater-Scotts at Barrow and he swore blind he couldn’t tell it was loaded I kid you not!!(with about 9ton of tissue)----The motor in question was------ a Guy Big J 180LXB,and there are a few gradients to climb on the way into Barrow!! Similar outfit to this one,which is shot on it’s way back from Barrow with probably an identical load and it has a line of traffic behind it as it is climbing what is known as “barrow banks” at High Newton.I wonder if thats “carryfast” in the ERF,looks like he’s just managing to keep up because he’s empty and the ERF probably only has a 5LW engine,magic!! 17 MPG,loaded or empty!! Cheers Bewick
Bewick have you ever had the slightest thought to this day that just maybe it was because that driver could’nt tell the difference between a loaded one and an empty one because of just how gutless the zb thing was when it was empty not how well it was going when it was loaded.
Got to give it to you “carryfast” you can always put a different slant to something!! Is that what is meant by “thinking outside the box” ? But in your case I would say that you need putting back in the(zb) box!! Cheers Bewick.
You should have sent him to pull a full weight load with a 40/45 ft trailer.Then he would have known it was zb loaded.
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.
Good point Malc
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
I dont care if you have 710 horses or 290 of them, you are still going to come across two lorries side by side for the next 8 miles on the M1 or M6.Who was it complaining recently that they only had a 420 to pull bog rolls over Shap?
Firstly it was nowhere near Shap and a good man in a 320 ■■■■■■■ would whoop his arse
But that same good man with a 480 DAF could probably do it using less fuel
We once had a dozy (zb) of a driver take a loaded curtainsider back to Bowater-Scotts at Barrow and he swore blind he couldn’t tell it was loaded I kid you not!!(with about 9ton of tissue)----The motor in question was------ a Guy Big J 180LXB,and there are a few gradients to climb on the way into Barrow!! Similar outfit to this one,which is shot on it’s way back from Barrow with probably an identical load and it has a line of traffic behind it as it is climbing what is known as “barrow banks” at High Newton.I wonder if thats “carryfast” in the ERF,looks like he’s just managing to keep up because he’s empty and the ERF probably only has a 5LW engine,magic!! 17 MPG,loaded or empty!! Cheers Bewick
Bewick have you ever had the slightest thought to this day that just maybe it was because that driver could’nt tell the difference between a loaded one and an empty one because of just how gutless the zb thing was when it was empty not how well it was going when it was loaded.
Got to give it to you “carryfast” you can always put a different slant to something!! Is that what is meant by “thinking outside the box” ? But in your case I would say that you need putting back in the(zb) box!! Cheers Bewick.
This post shows exactly why Bewick and Carryfast are the best double act in the business, as soon as I see either of their names as the last post in the index I go staright to that thread, quality entertainment is assured
The waldorf and straddler of trucknet
Carryfast:
kr79:
What I was trying to say was if you have say a 600 hp truck you can use that extra torque to do the work rather than the power where say you have a 300hp truck moving the weight you are going to end up using more power and revs to keep going when it’s working hard where the bigger power truck will dig in with the tourque at lower revs and use Less fuel.
Out of intrest does anyone know what detroits Market share is in the USA compared to ■■■■■■■ and catSo after all the arguing you’re actually agreeing with what I’ve been saying.
So now just imagine it’s the late 1970’s/1980 and I’ve got that 400 hp Bedford TM versus a typical Brit guvnor’s 7 Litre V6 specced one.They both produce max power at the same engine speed (around 2000 rpm) however unlike the 7 Litre my one is producing more power at around 1,200-1,400 rpm than his is at 2000.The same also applies in comparison to the Gardner engine at that same 1,200-1,400 rpm.Now do you understand why the Brits said that the Detroit ‘drinks’ fuel
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Carryfast:
kr79:
What I was trying to say was if you have say a 600 hp truck you can use that extra torque to do the work rather than the power where say you have a 300hp truck moving the weight you are going to end up using more power and revs to keep going when it’s working hard where the bigger power truck will dig in with the tourque at lower revs and use Less fuel.
Out of intrest does anyone know what detroits Market share is in the USA compared to ■■■■■■■ and catSo after all the arguing you’re actually agreeing with what I’ve been saying.
So now just imagine it’s the late 1970’s/1980 and I’ve got that 400 hp Bedford TM versus a typical Brit guvnor’s 7 Litre V6 specced one.They both produce max power at the same engine speed (around 2000 rpm) however unlike the 7 Litre my one is producing more power at around 1,200-1,400 rpm than his is at 2000.The same also applies in comparison to the Gardner engine at that same 1,200-1,400 rpm.Now do you understand why the Brits said that the Detroit ‘drinks’ fuel
I said I agreed that a high power engine can be fuel efficient but the real crux of the argument is how good was each engine size of bhp compared to it’s competitors. So what was the 400hp TM like on fuel compared to say a 375hp scania 141 and how good was the smaller detroit engines between 220 and 310hp against the Gardner ■■■■■■■ and rolls in the British trucks and the likes of the scania 111 the f88 and f10 the mercs and mans in that power range and any of the others on offer at that time
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
What I was trying to say was if you have say a 600 hp truck you can use that extra torque to do the work rather than the power where say you have a 300hp truck moving the weight you are going to end up using more power and revs to keep going when it’s working hard where the bigger power truck will dig in with the tourque at lower revs and use Less fuel.
Out of intrest does anyone know what detroits Market share is in the USA compared to ■■■■■■■ and catSo after all the arguing you’re actually agreeing with what I’ve been saying.
So now just imagine it’s the late 1970’s/1980 and I’ve got that 400 hp Bedford TM versus a typical Brit guvnor’s 7 Litre V6 specced one.They both produce max power at the same engine speed (around 2000 rpm) however unlike the 7 Litre my one is producing more power at around 1,200-1,400 rpm than his is at 2000.The same also applies in comparison to the Gardner engine at that same 1,200-1,400 rpm.Now do you understand why the Brits said that the Detroit ‘drinks’ fuel
I said I agreed that a high power engine can be fuel efficient but the real crux of the argument is how good was each engine size of bhp compared to it’s competitors. So what was the 400hp TM like on fuel compared to say a 375hp scania 141 and how good was the smaller detroit engines between 220 and 310hp against the Gardner ■■■■■■■ and rolls in the British trucks
The 8V92,amongst others,was obviously good enough for all of those operators around the world who used them and still do in some cases such as the military and put the company where it is today,compared to all the rest,and we’ve already agreed that the idea of using any underpowered engine for it’s application is inefficient.
That don’t answer the question though someone must have some old truck magazines with some tests 
kr79:
That don’t answer the question though someone must have some old truck magazines with some tests
Just so long as someone can produce some similar US and Australian tests so as to make sure that we don’t get a biased perspective from the point of view of British operators over those others having taken into account those issues of under powered specifications.
Realistically it’s probably going to be a case of finding out the performance differences in their respective home markets of trucks (and buses ) fitted with those engine options.
Carryfast:
kr79:
That don’t answer the question though someone must have some old truck magazines with some testsJust so long as someone can produce some similar US and Australian tests so as to make sure that we don’t get a biased perspective from the point of view of British operators over those others having taken into account those issues of under powered specifications.
Realistically it’s probably going to be a case of finding out the performance differences in their respective home markets of trucks (and buses
[/quote]CF I think you have answered your own questions
cheers Johnnie
