Stanley Mitchell:
Ive been having my full [45+] weekend breaks, for a few months now, its just that the three weeks ive stated,
Was there a point in the last few months where you had 90 hours off in one go that included sunday midnight?
Perhaps a one week holiday where you restarted work on monday??
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
I have to admit to having some trouble getting my head round this one and had to put it into Excel to figure it outAs far as I can see it can be made to work, in the picture bellow the weekly rest periods are for the weeks of the same colour :wink
Not enough information to decide that and I would suggest he just has one rest at the end of each week, which means the 60+ hour rest was for the coming week and that kinda scuppers your spreadsheet.
Not at-all, If the previous weeks were full weekly rest periods then there’s nothing to stop him working the shift pattern he want to work.
Most people who have weekly rest periods at the end of the week start from a holiday when they would be starting the week with a weekly rest period, If this is the case then I see no reason why he shouldn’t work the shift pattern he wants to.
Only Stanley Mitchell knows what weekly rest periods he’s had in the past.
They have all been kosher
In that case I see no reason why you shouldn’t work the shift pattern you’ve mentioned and make the most of the earning weeks 
By the way, as one of the two reduced weekly rest periods is purely to re-start another six 24 hour period working week you only need to compensate for one reduced weekly rest period, I’d compensate for the one that needs the least pay-back unless it turns out to make no difference.
tachograph:
In that case I see no reason why you shouldn’t work the shift pattern you’ve mentioned and make the most of the earning weeksBy the way, as one of the two reduced weekly rest periods is purely to re-start another six 24 hour period working week you only need to compensate for one reduced weekly rest period, I’d compensate for the one that needs the least pay-back unless it turns out to make no difference.
Cheers matey,
The way I want it to work, will give me 3 days off over xmas, so, it will clear itself without too much hinderence to my earning potential 
Have a Great Christmas, and, an even greater New Year 
I was presented with a question exactly the same as this some months ago and to make certain I asked for and was given all the weekly rests from the last period of at least 90 hours off which happened to be the Easter break of 4 days including sunday midnight.
As the driver never worked a sunday midnight it was easy to determine what weekly rest could be counted for a particular week without using the same one twice
The sequence started out by counting the last 45 hours of the Easter break as the full weekly rest at the start of week 1 and then alernated between reduced and full at the start of every week for many weeks until it got to a point such as in that excel spreadsheet where the driver wanted to reduce twice in a row and then it went exactly as the speadsheet suggested 
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
I have to admit to having some trouble getting my head round this one and had to put it into Excel to figure it outAs far as I can see it can be made to work, in the picture bellow the weekly rest periods are for the weeks of the same colour :wink
Not enough information to decide that and I would suggest he just has one rest at the end of each week, which means the 60+ hour rest was for the coming week and that kinda scuppers your spreadsheet.
Not at-all, If the previous weeks were full weekly rest periods then there’s nothing to stop him working the shift pattern he want to work.
Only if one can be counted for a coming week and not a previous week at some point.
tachograph:
Most people who have weekly rest periods at the end of the week start from a holiday when they would be starting the week with a weekly rest period, If this is the case then I see no reason why he shouldn’t work the shift pattern he wants to.
Yeah if you go back far enough and he hasn’t already made use of the ‘spare’ rest to count it forward. he says he has worked this patter before with no problem which suggests he might have already made use of it.
I guess from now on when anyone asks this question about doing 2 consecutive weekends we just say yes it’s fine because they must have had a holiday week at some point? 
That’s gonna be my new thing.
Stanley Mitchell:
tachograph:
In that case I see no reason why you shouldn’t work the shift pattern you’ve mentioned and make the most of the earning weeksBy the way, as one of the two reduced weekly rest periods is purely to re-start another six 24 hour period working week you only need to compensate for one reduced weekly rest period, I’d compensate for the one that needs the least pay-back unless it turns out to make no difference.
Cheers matey,
The way I want it to work, will give me 3 days off over xmas, so, it will clear itself without too much hinderence to my earning potential
When was the last time you had a weekly rest of at least 69+ hours, or better still 90+ hours, that wasn’t also being used for compensation and have you worked this pattern since then. There still is not enough information to say if what you are going to do is legal or not, and based purely on what you have given it probably isn’t.
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
Not enough information to decide that and I would suggest he just has one rest at the end of each week, which means the 60+ hour rest was for the coming week and that kinda scuppers your spreadsheet. You also don’t know which week the rest at the top of the page was for, it may have been a reduced so that also wouldn’t make the sheet work.I can see the first bit of your summation but why would it not work if the weekly rest at the top was a reduced?
If it had been a reduced for w/e 27th November. Further information shows it wasn’t a reduced so that isn’t an issue now.
Coffeeholic:
There still is not enough information to say if what you are going to do is legal or not, and based purely on what you have given it probably isn’t.
What facts are you basing that presumption on 
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
There still is not enough information to say if what you are going to do is legal or not, and based purely on what you have given it probably isn’t.What facts are you basing that presumption on
The fact there is no concrete information to show any of the rest periods can be counted for a coming week rather than the week they are at the end of, which is generally the case.
The fact there is no mention of a 69+ hour rest period, that doesn’t have a compensation element.
The fact there is no indication that if there has been a long enough weekly rest that it hasn’t been used already.
The fact he said he has worked this before and not got an infringement, which suggests the fact before this one is a possibility.
The fact he has said for a few weeks he has had a full every week and now wants to do two consecutive weeks with only reduced rest.
The fact you seem to be turning into ROG. You had complete brain fade on a thread the other day where you appeared to be working of a different set of rules to the rest of us and now you are fixating on the back-to-back rest thing which generally only happens, for most drivers, two or three times a year.
There is nothing the Stan man has posted so far which can lead anyone to say I see no reason why you can’t work this pattern. Equally there is not enough information to say categorically he can’t.
Your assumption and spread sheet only works if the rest over the 27th November can be counted for week ending the 4th December. If it can’t, and there has been no information to say it can, then it doesn’t work.
Coffeeholic:
You can easily have a 14 day period that doesn’t show a 45 hour rest but is legal. Look at ROG’s example from an earlier post.ROG:
Holiday for a week and COUNT last 45 hours as full weekly rest for WEEK 1
Mon to sat work = WEEK 1
sun off = less than 45 hours
Mon to sat work = WEEK 2
sun off = less than 45 hours
Mon to fri work = WEEK 3
Sat + sun off = COUNTED as full weekly rest for WEEK 3In that scenario from the Monday in Week 1 to the Friday in Week 3 is a 19 day period with no 45 hour rest period and it is legal.
That is what were working now to cover the time off for Xmas,
From 28th Nov
Mon -Fri
Mon -Sat
Mon - Sat
Mon - Fri
Wed - Fri
Tue - Sat
Mon - Fri
We dont run at max hours, 8-5 most days, luckily VOSA Chadderton is around the corner from our place so a quite visit with the planned rota got the all clear from them, even though some of the numpties still argued that VOSA were wrong
B1 GGK:
From 28th Nov
Mon -Fri
Mon -Sat
Mon - Sat
Mon - Fri
Wed - Fri
Tue - Sat
Mon - FriWe dont run at max hours, 8-5 most days, luckily VOSA Chadderton is around the corner from our place so a quite visit with the planned rota got the all clear from them, even though some of the numpties still argued that VOSA were wrong
Based only on the info given it would depend on how much weekly rest you get between Saturday 10th and Monday 12th and Saturday 17th and Monday 19th if it is okay or not. If both those rest periods are less than 45 hours then, again based on the information given, it wouldn’t be legal. If one of them is at least 45 hours then it’s fine.
Coffeeholic:
Stanley Mitchell:
tachograph:
In that case I see no reason why you shouldn’t work the shift pattern you’ve mentioned and make the most of the earning weeksBy the way, as one of the two reduced weekly rest periods is purely to re-start another six 24 hour period working week you only need to compensate for one reduced weekly rest period, I’d compensate for the one that needs the least pay-back unless it turns out to make no difference.
Cheers matey,
The way I want it to work, will give me 3 days off over xmas, so, it will clear itself without too much hinderence to my earning potential
When was the last time you had a weekly rest of at least 69+ hours, or better still 90+ hours, that wasn’t also being used for compensation and have you worked this pattern since then. There still is not enough information to say if what you are going to do is legal or not, and based purely on what you have given it probably isn’t.
Neil,
The last time I had 69+/90+ hours off was 01.11 - 10.11, [a week in F/ventura], back at work 11+12 November, 13th off, back on 14 - 18 November inc, off 19+20, back on 21 - 26 inc, off 27, back on 28/29/30/01/02, off 03+04, back on 05 - 10 inc, off 11th [today].
TBF, nothing has been said until this new whipper snapper arrived, nothing has showed up on the customer`s infringment reports, no manager has queried the rota, they only seem interested in the 60 hour nett WTD week, as long as that is not infringed, everything is rosy 
Coffeeholic:
B1 GGK:
From 28th Nov
Mon -Fri
Mon -Sat
Mon - Sat
Mon - Fri
Wed - Fri
Tue - Sat
Mon - FriWe dont run at max hours, 8-5 most days, luckily VOSA Chadderton is around the corner from our place so a quite visit with the planned rota got the all clear from them, even though some of the numpties still argued that VOSA were wrong
Based only on the info given it would depend on how much weekly rest you get between Saturday 10th and Monday 12th and Saturday 17th and Monday 19th if it is okay or not. If both those rest periods are less than 45 hours then, again based on the information given, it wouldn’t be legal. If one of them is at least 45 hours then it’s fine.
Finished at 12 noon on Saturday, 8am start on Monday, Dont know what next weekend has to offer.
Stanley Mitchell:
Neil,The last time I had 69+/90+ hours off was 01.11 - 10.11, [a week in F/ventura], back at work 11+12 November, 13th off, back on 14 - 18 November inc, off 19+20, back on 21 - 26 inc, off 27, back on 28/29/30/01/02, off 03+04, back on 05 - 10 inc, off 11th [today].
Now we have enough information to give a definitive reply, I’ll be back in a few minutes.
EDIT. Ignore this post if you saw it before I edited it. Crack on.
Note to self, must stop drinking before answering legal questions.
B1 GGK:
Coffeeholic:
B1 GGK:
From 28th Nov
Mon -Fri
Mon -Sat
Mon - Sat
Mon - Fri
Wed - Fri
Tue - Sat
Mon - FriWe dont run at max hours, 8-5 most days, luckily VOSA Chadderton is around the corner from our place so a quite visit with the planned rota got the all clear from them, even though some of the numpties still argued that VOSA were wrong
Based only on the info given it would depend on how much weekly rest you get between Saturday 10th and Monday 12th and Saturday 17th and Monday 19th if it is okay or not. If both those rest periods are less than 45 hours then, again based on the information given, it wouldn’t be legal. If one of them is at least 45 hours then it’s fine.
Finished at 12 noon on Saturday, 8am start on Monday, Dont know what next weekend has to offer.
That’s a reduced rest, 44 hours, so you will need 45 hours between finishing next Saturday and starting next Monday to be legal, unless you can push your start time tomorrow morning to 09:00.
Stanley Mitchell:
Neil,The last time I had 69+/90+ hours off was 01.11 - 10.11, [a week in F/ventura], back at work 11+12 November, 13th off, back on 14 - 18 November inc, off 19+20, back on 21 - 26 inc, off 27, back on 28/29/30/01/02, off 03+04, back on 05 - 10 inc, off 11th [today].
You’re good to go, crack on.
Rest that ended on 11th November for w/e 13th Full rest.
Rest on 13th November for w/e 20th. Reduced rest.
Rest on 19th and 20th for w/e 27th. Full rest.
Rest on 27th for w/e 4th November. reduced rest.
Rest on 3rd and 4th December for w/e 11th November. Full rest
Rest on 11th December for w/e 18th November. reduced rest*
Rest on 18th December. Only prevents working more than 144 hours between rest periods.
3 day rest at Xmas weekend 24th, 25th, 26th or 25th, 26th, 27th for w/e 25th. Full weekly rest.
The only question would be making sure you get the compensation done in time and if you haven’t made the compensation for the reduced rest for w/e the 4th yet it could be a problem as it must be done by midnight on the 25th.
*Only one of these two reduced rests requires compensation.
Coffeeholic:
Stanley Mitchell:
Neil,The last time I had 69+/90+ hours off was 01.11 - 10.11, [a week in F/ventura], back at work 11+12 November, 13th off, back on 14 - 18 November inc, off 19+20, back on 21 - 26 inc, off 27, back on 28/29/30/01/02, off 03+04, back on 05 - 10 inc, off 11th [today].
You’re good to go, crack on.
Cheers Neil, much appreciated…
Have a Great Christmas, and, you being north of the border, an even better New Year
Coffeeholic:
The fact you seem to be turning into ROG. You had complete brain fade on a thread the other day where you appeared to be working of a different set of rules to the rest of us and now you are fixating on the back-to-back rest thing which generally only happens, for most drivers, two or three times a year.
I don’t have time now as I’m off to work in a few minutes but that’s just a load of bolox Neil, sure I posted the other day before my head was clear but then I’m hardly the first to do that and likely not to be the last 
By the way I’m glad you edited that post about four posts up in this thread, was it caused by brain fade by any chance
