Completion of any apprenticeship does not qualify one as an engineer, that is a degree qualification from a university.
Oh dear SDU, you’ve done it now. I had this argument with him several years ago. This could last months.
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I’ve got plenty of time, no doubt Carryfast has plenty of excuses.
Yes, I remember ZbAnorak having exactly the same argument with him, when he said if CF hadn’t got an engineering degree he was a mechanic.
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I have just ordered half a ton of popcorn in anticipation of the mass debate involving CF.
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Not even a mechanic; whatever tertiary education he allegedly started, apprenticeship or degree, he never got more than, a best 25% through it, 20% if it was a degree.
I’d call that a frst class failure to complete.
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Booked time off work too?
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Yes 8 weeks to make sure, don’t want to miss anything.
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A bit of research comes up with C&Ģ beng the overseer of apprenticeships. So the reality being that Carryfast was only going to be a tradesman not an engineer. That of course did not eventuate when he failed to complete the apprenticeship.
Carryfast, your propensity to exaggerate your skills and qualifications is akin to the three female celebrities going into space as passengers, for three minutes, then claiming to be astronauts.
If three minutes in space makes you an astronaut, then I’m a gynecologist.
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So has Carryfast seeing as no-one is stupid enough to employ him. 
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Now you’re saying that there is no such thing as an Engineer by trade nor an Engineering apprenticeship and that C and G isn’t actually the relevant qualification regime, within that trade sector, nor in fact any trade sector.
Define overseer of apprenticeships as opposed to recognised qualification regime.
The ‘overseer’, in my case, was actually the employer and the Engineering Industry Training Board.
Obviously all moot when you’re saying that there is no such trade as Engineer nor any C and G qualification in Engineering and the EITB wasn’t meant for shop floor workers only Engineering graduates.
Let alone someone who walked away from the supposed non job and training regime after 18 months of it to drive a truck which I wanted to do from the start anyway.Preferably overseen by the Road Transport Industry Training Board, not bleedin Engineering.
Which according to your fictitious deluded wisdom also never happened anyway.
You’re calling me a failure for walking away with a C and G pass with credit in mechanical engineering to drive trucks instead.
Which I then did diligently and safely passing 2 HGV tests and an employer A frame assessment on the way.
You think that there is no such qualification in engineering because you don’t even know of it, let alone recognise it, as an engineering qualification remember.
So exactly where did I call myself a failure assuming that in your words you’re relying on information provided by me ?.
The information you’ve got is a reasonable description of my work history.
It’s only you, in your own vicious tiny mind, who’s conflating that with ‘failure’ by twisting facts to suit your own agenda.Not me.
As I said what has someone putting a drawbar outfit in a ditch got to do with me ?.
Now let me hear you call my Father a failure, in his career as an engineer, for not having an engineering degree.Admittedly he was a better engineer than I ever would have been, even if I could have hacked being shut in a factory 9 hours a day 5 days per week and Saturday morning, without needing any C and G let alone a zb degree.
Where have I said that?
As I see it they, set the standards and certification for trades and various other skills. Correct me if I’m wrong.
What is moot is your word soup, as you failed to complete any training as either tradesman or engineer. If you think 12, now stetched to 18 months of a five year course is long enough to call yourself an engineer, why does anyone bother to finish the training?
Can you show us your Credit certificate? That would clear up your proper job title, had you not failed to complete the course. Of course any personal details could be obscured.
In North America train drivers are called engineers, but their far from real engineers. How would you feel if Americanadian train drivers were allowed to design skyscrapers?
I suspect you have adopted the Americanism, simply because Engineer is in the title of many qualifications, other than real, degree qualified engineers.
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C & G = City & Guilds examinations. They are vocational qualifications, not degrees. I have two C & G transport qualifications: CPC (National) Road Haulage, & CPC (International) Road Haulage. They qualified me to run my own haulage as an owner driver. Apparently, they are the equivalent of an A-Level apiece. I hope this helps to bring the C&G stuff into perspective. Obviously, they’re not the only qualifications I’ve got 9 
) but hey ho.
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I got a National Cycling Proficiency certificate.
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Not quite what I said, even if it’s what I think. What I said was you failed to complete the training, you cant argue with that.
Whoop de poop, you carry on as if it is some super human achievement, as you do with every accomplishment, real or imagined.
Everyone on this forum has at least the same driving qualifications and a damn sight more experience and knowledge, than you.
Something you are definitely not. You’re not even a an engineer’s r soul.
I’ll try to make some sense of that word soup.
You spent a significant time training for a job/qualification that didn’t exist. That being the case, how can you call yourself an engineer, if the job or qualification does not exist?
Your latest claim is 18 months, it took that long for you to work out that you were training for a nonexistent job/qualification. I’d call that a slow learner.
So did I, in 1962
What I actually said was that you failed to complete whatever qualification you started. In doing so, you have deprived another young man that opportunity.
Engineers, the pair of you, or would you prefer another profession?
You were the one who clearly stated that the qualification and its definition of being an engineering qualification, didn’t exist.Not me.
You obviously can’t get your head around the fact that an engineer can be a time served fitter and machinist just as it can be a aircraft or a bridge designer.
Or more like don’t want to because it doesn’t fit your bitter twisted personal issues against someone you’ve never met or worked with 12,000 bleedin miles away.
But our Australian heckler is suggesting that only a degree defines an engineer not C and G and/or an apprenticeship in engineering.
A bridge or sky scraper or aircraft designer probably isn’t going to know anything about machining a component to within thousandths or ten thousandths of an inch tolerance from a metal billet or bar.
Just that basic just part one ‘vocational’ C and G ‘qualification’ took over a year of learning to be proficient with numerous engineering disciplines.Some more than others I was never going to master welding and fabrication no shame in that.
But it taught me how fabricated structures are made.
But could instinctively handle a horizontal and vertical milling machine and a lathe and a surface grinder to a level that even surprised myself and managed mind numbingly boring engineering hand fitting tests like hand scraping a flat surface and precision filing etc etc.
All moot because by that point I had already decided to walk away from the engineering ‘trade’.Every hour shut inside a factory and college workshop doing it seemed like at least two or more.
That blind alley had more to do with my Father’s well meaning but misguided aspirations for me.
But even moreso being let down by the road transport industry’s arbitrary entry regime from day 1 of leaving school.
The school careers ‘advisors’ weren’t even aware of the RTITB’s entry scheme for young drivers including the reduced 18 HGV licence age threshold for those lucky enough to find an opportunity to enter into it and an employer fixated on the ‘experience’ issue.
As for SDU a typically ignorant and arrogant example.