Oh I wouldn’t worry about Bertie, he knows better than anyone that I’m as daft as a cabbage. He doesn’t need the Trucknet Elite to point that out to him (I suspect he’s one of them, but he deletes his history each time) 
toby1234abc:
Poor Bertie, will he get over this , I know a good mental health practioner that can treat Bertie.
Why does this not surprise me, 
but I reckon he’s worth it I think quite a few of us would like to spend time in Toby World.
The more time I spend on Trucknet the more my view of Toby changes! I think he’s one of the best posters on here, funny, never takes offence, random, mad as a box of frogs and underneath it all as knowledgeable (if not more so) than any of those self obsessed know it alls. Trucknet would be much more fun with a few more Tobys & a few less Conor/HKLoss (their turn of phrase is remarkably similar…) types around. Now, got to go, I’m having lunch with the local Mayor and police chief. Happy new year from France.
Would be interested to know how long the OP’s husband has been driving. If he’s been driving a while he should know the regs, if he’s fairly new maybe just relying on what other drivers tell him, which is a road to disaster for sure. Which brings me to my point when some one passes a LGV test surely they should be issued with a simplified version of the rules and regulations that they can carry with them. It’s been eleven years since I passed my test but I can remember it being hard to work out what was myth and what was right. Which is what brought me to Trucknet uk which seems to do a better job of putting drivers right than the government, once you’ve sorted out which posters to take notice of and which to take with a pinch of salt.
Thanks Luke, much appreciated compliments, it seems Milodon has it in for me, not sure why though, he pounces on my posts like a black Leopard high on crack or meths.
There was Tyler from Bristol that got his G string in a twisty twist, as he took offence from me Pm,ing in, told to do one and don’t Pm again, not seen him on here for a while.
Raymundo objected to my this is not shipnet joke and attacked some Tobyworld posts.
How did Bertie get on on the Dcpc course, I heard he set the class room on fire on the “How to fight fires inside module one, part three A”
Bertie sprayed the instructor with enough extinguisher foam , that he looked like Frosty the Snowman or a marshmallow.
knight2:
Would be interested to know how long the OP’s husband has been driving. If he’s been driving a while he should know the regs, if he’s fairly new maybe just relying on what other drivers tell him, which is a road to disaster for sure. Which brings me to my point when some one passes a LGV test surely they should be issued with a simplified version of the rules and regulations that they can carry with them. It’s been eleven years since I passed my test but I can remember it being hard to work out what was myth and what was right. Which is what brought me to Trucknet uk which seems to do a better job of putting drivers right than the government, once you’ve sorted out which posters to take notice of and which to take with a pinch of salt.
One thing that Stobarts do or used to do was to give every new employee a small laminated card with an easy to understand version of driving hours regs. It wasn’t a comprehensive thing but covered the basics for single manning, certainly enough to keep you legal for the work they do. I’ve not heard of any other company doing that.
knight2:
Which brings me to my point when some one passes a LGV test surely they should be issued with a simplified version of the rules and regulations that they can carry with them. It’s been eleven years since I passed my test but I can remember it being hard to work out what was myth and what was right.
I think that’s the whole point though. The regulations in the EU are unnecessarily complicated, just compare them to any other drivers/workings hours regulations that truck driver have to adhere to elsewhere in the world. Even the electronic logs that are becoming ever more common in North America are a world away from the digital tacho’s of Europe. The elogs are designed to give the driver all the info he needs so that he doesn’t ■■■■ up, all times are clearly listed and tick down on a counter type thing so that innocent mistakes are not made. How much driving time does a driver have on his US 11hrs drive? a click of a button will give you the answer in hours, minutes and seconds. How about 14hr spread over? the same button will do that. What if the driver is unsure how much time he has left on his 70 hours in 8 days rolling count? yep, click the same button and it appears in simple plain English. At no point is a driver left wondering whether he can drive or not, its absolutely fool proof. A digital tacho is 100 times less user friendly and can take considerable time to work out whats what, yet if you have the audacity to make the smallest mistake, the time it takes for a kettle to boil for example, it immediately records it for all to see with absolutely no lee way for human error, leaving the driver confused and panicking for his home and livelihood and taking to Trucknet for advice and reassurance, only to often find scorn, patronising comments and wagging fingers from corporate clones who have never had to think outside of the box, let alone driver outside of it in their world of set day runs, route cards and de-briefings at the end of each little trip they condescend to make
anon84679660:
Blah, blah, blah
Very interesting things you have to say, particularly the repetitive bits about ‘idiots’, ‘stupidity’ and so forth. You seem to regard employment in the haulage industry as a bottom the barrel occupation, which begs the question why you’re still doing it?
Can you not better yourself and find something else if it is such a terrible industry? Or are you actually one of Conor’s ‘third of the IQ of a cabbage’ types who, like one or two others on here, regards himself as a cut above other ‘idiot’ drivers because umm… ahhh… well, because they just do?
Harry Monk:
switchlogic:
Conor:
I drive trucks because I choose to, not because I have to. I drive for who I want and when I want because I don’t need to earn the money. What I earn from it pays for my toys. That’s the difference between us.Hahaha, that old chestnut. Next you’ll be telling us in all seriousness you got the police to chalk off bays when you ran out of hours and were in the SAS. If I had a pound for every time I heard that, well, I’d have as much money as you pretend you have
No, Conor’s statement seems totally reasonable to me. I drive a truck, I don’t need to, and I plan on driving it less and less over the years to come while I spend more and more time on my toy.
Nothing to do with getting the Police to cone off bays or being in the SAS, just lucky to have been in the job long enough to have earned and saved some money before the eastern Europeans ripped it to shreds. I expect you’d call that “racist”?
+1. id call it stating an honest opinion,though your not allowed to be as honest as you would like sometimes… 
robinhood_1984:
knight2:
Which brings me to my point when some one passes a LGV test surely they should be issued with a simplified version of the rules and regulations that they can carry with them. It’s been eleven years since I passed my test but I can remember it being hard to work out what was myth and what was right.I think that’s the whole point though. The regulations in the EU are unnecessarily complicated, just compare them to any other drivers/workings hours regulations that truck driver have to adhere to elsewhere in the world. Even the electronic logs that are becoming ever more common in North America are a world away from the digital tacho’s of Europe. The elogs are designed to give the driver all the info he needs so that he doesn’t ■■■■ up, all times are clearly listed and tick down on a counter type thing so that innocent mistakes are not made. How much driving time does a driver have on his US 11hrs drive? a click of a button will give you the answer in hours, minutes and seconds. How about 14hr spread over? the same button will do that. What if the driver is unsure how much time he has left on his 70 hours in 8 days rolling count? yep, click the same button and it appears in simple plain English. At no point is a driver left wondering whether he can drive or not, its absolutely fool proof. A digital tacho is 100 times less user friendly and can take considerable time to work out whats what, yet if you have the audacity to make the smallest mistake, the time it takes for a kettle to boil for example, it immediately records it for all to see with absolutely no lee way for human error, leaving the driver confused and panicking for his home and livelihood and taking to Trucknet for advice and reassurance, only to often find scorn, patronising comments and wagging fingers from corporate clones who have never had to think outside of the box, let alone driver outside of it in their world of set day runs, route cards and de-briefings at the end of each little trip they condescend to make
Now that sounds good to me. Nice to know I’m not the only one who thinks the digi tacho is not user friendly. A lot of drivers I know struggle to change the time on it.
I have a very poor memory always have done, so I carry the basic regulations with me that I downloaded from VOSA’s site and laminated.
anon84679660:
tmcassett:
muckles:
Olog Hai:
Conor:
You may find it trivial but this is the reality of the risk you take when you flout the law. Its why some of us continually bang on about it despite people like Dieseldog etc calling us pussies.LOL. Almost every post of yours I read on here just screams ‘angry, self-opinionated little man. who walks around with a halo above his head.’
+1
+2 to this
Especially in regards his opinion on anyone who works as anything other than a PAYE worker.
Some of you are seriously funny, never thought of being a comedian?
I on the other hand, regard Conor as a top poster, and value his posts highly.
There are a few posters that posts valuable posts in my view, and I always read them with interest.
One of them hasn’t posted for a while, but after the response he got to his lasts posts, I’m not surprised he’s given up.
At least when he posts , you can learn something useful, see things from a different angle.
These posts produced by some of you only confirm my observations, lorry driving industry is mostly for idiots, and to fit in well, you need to be an idiot. No wonder lorry drivers are treated as such.
You have a few that tell you as it is, try to point to you what you do wrong, and they instantly become enemies of every stupid lorry driver out there.
I had worked in other industries before becoming a lorry driver but have never seen workers being treated so poorly as lorry drivers are.
but, as the saying goes, lorry drivers are their worst enemies and it is so very true.
If you are not stupid enough , you can not be a proper, valuable, lorry driver, and if you dare to think on your own, and do do as other lorry drivers do, you are not a valuable employee to any transportation company.Stupidity, lack of knowledge of all rules and regulations, the law, allowing yourself to be bullied by transport managers, in this industry is very highly regarded. If you meet all these requirements, you basically are guaranteed a driving job in your average haulage company.
Conor, don’t give up on posting , there are plenty of us who value highly your opinions, and don’t even worry about what some low lives think of you.
I’m intrigued what makes me stupid or an idiot because I might have a difference of opinion on a particular subject and I’m prepared to highlight my opinion or thoughts. Its extremely naïve of you to call someone stupid just because they disagree with what you personally think. As far as this thread goes I actually agree with what Conor and anyone else has said about people who knowingly break the rules getting exactly what they deserve because there is absolutely no excuse for that.
What I was giving a +2, too above was the “angry, self opinionated little man comment” because I find his posts are for the most part very aggressive and direct, nothing wrong with that to an extent because everyone is entitled to their opinion but being direct doesn’t automatically mean everything you say is actually true and correct.
As for you anon84679660 I lost all respect for anything you might have to say and your opinion when you used the word “lowlife” at the end of your piece. Do you really think that is an appropriate word to use about someone you know nothing about other than having a different view to yourself on an internet forum. Its the sort of response I expect from someone who hasn’t got the ability to have a mature and constructive debate and has to resort to childish insults instead.
robinhood_1984:
knight2:
Which brings me to my point when some one passes a LGV test surely they should be issued with a simplified version of the rules and regulations that they can carry with them. It’s been eleven years since I passed my test but I can remember it being hard to work out what was myth and what was right.I think that’s the whole point though. The regulations in the EU are unnecessarily complicated, just compare them to any other drivers/workings hours regulations that truck driver have to adhere to elsewhere in the world. Even the electronic logs that are becoming ever more common in North America are a world away from the digital tacho’s of Europe. The elogs are designed to give the driver all the info he needs so that he doesn’t ■■■■ up, all times are clearly listed and tick down on a counter type thing so that innocent mistakes are not made. How much driving time does a driver have on his US 11hrs drive? a click of a button will give you the answer in hours, minutes and seconds. How about 14hr spread over? the same button will do that. What if the driver is unsure how much time he has left on his 70 hours in 8 days rolling count? yep, click the same button and it appears in simple plain English. At no point is a driver left wondering whether he can drive or not, its absolutely fool proof. A digital tacho is 100 times less user friendly and can take considerable time to work out whats what, yet if you have the audacity to make the smallest mistake, the time it takes for a kettle to boil for example, it immediately records it for all to see with absolutely no lee way for human error, leaving the driver confused and panicking for his home and livelihood and taking to Trucknet for advice and reassurance, only to often find scorn, patronising comments and wagging fingers from corporate clones who have never had to think outside of the box, let alone driver outside of it in their world of set day runs, route cards and de-briefings at the end of each little trip they condescend to make
We’ve actually still got regs that are more or less as flexible as those in North America in the form of domestic regs.The question then being how did/does UK only work using a UK reg truck fall into EU regs not domestic. 
It is ironic that we’ve now got robotised drivers who’ve been brainwashed by decades of EU imposed bs calling those who’d prefer more flexibility the thick ones.
The problem is that one man’s flexibility is another man’s pushing the rules to the limit and taking the Michael.
Carryfast:
We’ve actually still got regs that are more or less as flexible as those in North America in the form of domestic regs.The question then being how did/does UK only work using a UK reg truck fall into EU regs not domestic.
.
Because our political masters sold our rights down the EEC/EU road many many times
And will keep doing so There is nothing a politician likes more than to be sat in front off a bank off cameras whilst signing away others rights
Carryfast:
It is ironic that we’ve now got robotised drivers who’ve been brainwashed by decades of EU imposed bs calling those who’d prefer more flexibility the thick ones.
I think that it is because some have not the wit or intelligence to work in a flexible manner, and that includes many planners to and those who do show them up for what they are
tmcassett:
As for you anon84679660 I lost all respect for anything you might have to say and your opinion when you used the word “lowlife” at the end of your piece. Do you really think that is an appropriate word to use about someone you know nothing about other than having a different view to yourself on an internet forum. Its the sort of response I expect from someone who hasn’t got the ability to have a mature and constructive debate and has to resort to childish insults instead.
+1!
tmcassett:
anon84679660:
tmcassett:
muckles:
Olog Hai:
Conor:
You may find it trivial but this is the reality of the risk you take when you flout the law. Its why some of us continually bang on about it despite people like Dieseldog etc calling us pussies.LOL. Almost every post of yours I read on here just screams ‘angry, self-opinionated little man. who walks around with a halo above his head.’
+1
+2 to this
Especially in regards his opinion on anyone who works as anything other than a PAYE worker.
Some of you are seriously funny, never thought of being a comedian?
I on the other hand, regard Conor as a top poster, and value his posts highly.
There are a few posters that posts valuable posts in my view, and I always read them with interest.
One of them hasn’t posted for a while, but after the response he got to his lasts posts, I’m not surprised he’s given up.
At least when he posts , you can learn something useful, see things from a different angle.
These posts produced by some of you only confirm my observations, lorry driving industry is mostly for idiots, and to fit in well, you need to be an idiot. No wonder lorry drivers are treated as such.
You have a few that tell you as it is, try to point to you what you do wrong, and they instantly become enemies of every stupid lorry driver out there.
I had worked in other industries before becoming a lorry driver but have never seen workers being treated so poorly as lorry drivers are.
but, as the saying goes, lorry drivers are their worst enemies and it is so very true.
If you are not stupid enough , you can not be a proper, valuable, lorry driver, and if you dare to think on your own, and do do as other lorry drivers do, you are not a valuable employee to any transportation company.Stupidity, lack of knowledge of all rules and regulations, the law, allowing yourself to be bullied by transport managers, in this industry is very highly regarded. If you meet all these requirements, you basically are guaranteed a driving job in your average haulage company.
Conor, don’t give up on posting , there are plenty of us who value highly your opinions, and don’t even worry about what some low lives think of you.
I’m intrigued what makes me stupid or an idiot because I might have a difference of opinion on a particular subject and I’m prepared to highlight my opinion or thoughts. Its extremely naïve of you to call someone stupid just because they disagree with what you personally think. As far as this thread goes I actually agree with what Conor and anyone else has said about people who knowingly break the rules getting exactly what they deserve because there is absolutely no excuse for that.
What I was giving a +2, too above was the “angry, self opinionated little man comment” because I find his posts are for the most part very aggressive and direct, nothing wrong with that to an extent because everyone is entitled to their opinion but being direct doesn’t automatically mean everything you say is actually true and correct.
As for you anon84679660 I lost all respect for anything you might have to say and your opinion when you used the word “lowlife” at the end of your piece. Do you really think that is an appropriate word to use about someone you know nothing about other than having a different view to yourself on an internet forum. Its the sort of response I expect from someone who hasn’t got the ability to have a mature and constructive debate and has to resort to childish insults instead.
If you were giving +2 for only the “self opinionated little man comment” as you mentioned, you would have mentioned it, but you clearly, and quoted, "I’, only giving +2 for the following…, but no, and I think it is clear to anyone (although I’m sure there are going to be plenty claiming to have troubles understanding it) you agreed with everything what was being posted, so please, have some integrity and stop making a victim out of yourself, it is being “childish” and it doesn’t contribute to a “mature and constructive debate”.
You first attack people, and then try to play a victim? Very poor behavior.
dieseldog999:
+1. id call it stating an honest opinion,though your not allowed to be as honest as you would like sometimes…
This. Just like in most workplaces, some will get away with saying more than others.
switchlogic:
Trucknet would be so good without you switch-no-logic, unfortunately we all have to endure seeing you around.
You should be spending more time with Bertie, and cleaning your cab after frying meat inside, never seen you doing any proper cleaning at all, it must be sticky all over the place from all that oil being splattered all over it.
You’ve been stuck way too long in that tin box, not being able to go out much, you might be surprised to learn there are cleaning products available cheaply in supermarkets these days, worth investing a few quid.
You don’t need ebola to kill you, if you keep living in that lorry as you do, common bacteria will finish you.
Even wearing a pair of sunglasses won’t help you save your ■■■.
anon84679660:
switchlogic:
Trucknet would be so good without you switch-no-logic, unfortunately we all have to endure seeing you around.
You should be spending more time with Bertie, and cleaning your cab after frying meat inside, never seen you doing any proper cleaning at all, it must be sticky all over the place from all that oil being splattered all over it.
You’ve been stuck way too long in that tin box, not being able to go out much, you might be surprised to learn there are cleaning products available cheaply in supermarkets these days, worth investing a few quid.
You don’t need ebola to kill you, if you keep living in that lorry as you do, common bacteria will finish you.
Even wearing a pair of sunglasses won’t help you save your ass.
Because of course, the videos of Luke cleaning his cab after cooking would be so entertaining…Jesus, the stupidity of some on here!
Having met Luke, and seen his truck, I can safely say that it is one of the best kept trucks around…
And you’d be surprised at how little mess is made from in cab cooking providing you are not a complete ape, and have a modicum of motor skills.
Carryfast:
We’ve actually still got regs that are more or less as flexible as those in North America in the form of domestic regs.The question then being how did/does UK only work using a UK reg truck fall into EU regs not domestic.
UK Domestic Rules are far less flexible than EU, and running to them would lead to some driver’s having a lot more nights out or working stupidly long shifts.
Under Domestic Rules you are limited to 11 hours of duty in 24-hours. Someone on multi drop could find themselves on nights out rather than being able to get home under current rules when they hit their 11 hour limit. That 11 hour limit does not start from when the driver starts work and run continuously. breaks during that period don’t count toward the 11 hours.
No breaks required during the shift so the company keep pushing you on whereas now you stop for a break and they can’t do anything.
No minimum daily rest period in the 24-hour period so someone on RDC work could end up doing a really long time between the start and end of their shift. Spend 3 or 4 hours sitting in the waiting room at two or three RDC’s waiting to unload and that doesn’t count as duty time so you could still do your 11 hours duty in addition to those 8 to 12 hours. That’s a long shift.
No weekly rest requirements so crack on without a decent rest from work at all working every day.
The EU rules are not that complicated if people actually read them and read all of them. They aren’t even that long but people either skip read them or miss the important bits like the definitions of the terms. Worse than that they run to a set of rules which are a mixture of EU and RDC rules or EU and MMTM* Rules.
*MMTM = My Mate Told Me.
The EU rules are pretty simple and they are flexible for both the driver and the company but I guess they could be changed to something like this which is quite flexible.
You could work to these simple rules if you prefer, you won’t attract any infringements or fines if you follow them.
Driving
No more than 4.5 hours driving without a break of at least 45 minutes. If it makes it easier you can split that into at least 15 minutes followed by at least 30 minutes.
Maximum of 9 hours driving per day. Twice a week, for flexibility for both the driver and the company, you can increase that by up to 1 hour if you need to be somewhere or want to make it home.
No more than 56 hours driving per week or 90 hours in any two weeks.
Work
Don’t work more than 6 hours at any point in the shift without a break of at least 15 minutes.
If your work between 6 and 9 hours in your shift have at least 30 minutes of break during the shift.
If you work more than 9 hours ignore the line above completely and instead have at least 45 minutes of break during the shift.
Work for the above three lines means driving and other work added together.
Don’t average more than 48 hours a week of work or exceed 60 hours work per week.
For both of the sections above a week is 00:00 Monday - 24:00 Sunday.
Rest
Daily Rest Within 24 hours of starting work you must have completed a period of at least 11 hours rest. Three times between your weekly rest periods, for flexibility for both the driver and the company, you can have a minimum of 9 hours instead of 11.
On any occasion when you have a period of at least 3 hours rest during your shift you can have 9 hours rest instead of 11 following the shift, allowing you more chance of getting home despite being delayed at an RDC for instance. It will not count as one of your allowed reductions because you’ll have had 12 hours rest.
Weekly Rest You must have a period of 45 hours rest per week but every other week you can, for flexibility for both the driver and the company, reduce that to a minimum of 24 hours. If you do reduce you must make up that time by adding the number of hours you reduced to another rest period within the following three weeks to ensure you don’t lose out on non working hours.
The period between the end of one weekly rest and the start of the next must not exceed 144 hours.
Not too complicated at all, they do seem familiar though.