Innocent:
…if we’re guilty we’ll pay up and move on…
“IF”!!! 
“IF” you are guilty!! 
So now there’s an “IF”■■ 
Is there a tiny element of doubt creeping into your mind now? 
Maybe someone, somewhere has forgotten a teensy, weensy piece of information that could turn the whole case on its head??
I see we’ve got GBPub and Bullitt contributing to their usual level of intelligence.
Here’s the deal guys. IF, and I say IF I’m found to be guilty, I’ll contact you through this site and give each of you £100.00 to grab a pint on me.
That’s how confident I am that our friends at DVSA are wrong and I am right.
I Don’t think I can say any fairer than that do you guys?
I was actually looking to warn others so that they don’t get treated the same, maybe get some constructive advice, and a bit of support from like people in the industry.
To be fair most of you have been helpful, and I thank those people for that.
For the few that just want to heckle, use your limited intelligence and imagination to consider what I think you should do.
Cheers guys
Innocent:
I see we’ve got GBPub and Bullitt contributing to their usual level of intelligence.
… you need to chill out mate and recognise when someone is having a bit of a laugh with you and pulling your leg! I remember you dutch fellas as being pretty laid back about most things in life. Try not to be so precious and paranoid that everyone is out to get you!! 
You may well be right, but these idiots at DVSA can make allegations, take 6 Months to action them, and it stays on your OCRS for 3 Years. The current way that Immingham DVSA applies the cabotage rules is wrong, and a system where you are deemed guilty at the road side despite offering proof to the contrary and pushed out of the uk by the nearest port cannot be right. Put yourself in that position. you’ve done nothing wrong, probably still got half a load on and you’re forced to exit the uk. Not a good day in anyone’s mind. As you say, time to chill!
Probably got half a load on? I thought you had one drop and then ran back mostly empty?
mucker85
read through the thread, digest, understand, then comment.
cheers
Innocent:
…Put yourself in that position. you’ve done nothing wrong, probably still got half a load on and you’re forced to exit the uk…
Did you still have half a load on? you have said several times you enter the uk loaded, make 1 drop then leave empty. Is this correct?
I see ‘Innocent’ is making friends. Word of advice, stop being so condescending to posts you dont like. Its a forum, you’ll get a variety of different opinions. If you don’t like that then forums aren’t for you.
Mucker is right. You repeatedly said you come over, do one drop and ship out. Now you’ve suddenly moved the goal posts.
Ive gone from being on your side to hoping DVSA actually win. Well done
Do you guys really think I give a sod what you think?
It was an hypothetical situation, to put yourselves in. I am trying to warn you that you will fall foul of my friends at DVSA so watch your arses.
But so that you all understand, we come into the uk with a full load, up to 26 pallets, that can be up to half a dozen drops then we go to the port of exit. At no time have I said it is single drop! we do occasionally load on the way out.
Please please please correct me if I’m not consistent with all that I’ve said previously.
Love these forums, couldn’t get through the day without them!!!
Hope that’s better for all concerned.
Of course you give a sod what we think! Why else would you specifically state
Am I reading the cabotage rules incorrectly?
Or is VOSA misinterpreting and applying them incorrectly.I would appreciate your views on the above
My view (not that you apparently give a sod about it):
DVSA (and HMRC) suspect that your drivers are coming over here with a load, tipping it then doing several cabotage jobs but filling in CMRs to make it look like they are all part of the original load. I don’t know why they would think that, but (as I said earlier) I think you do. Disgruntled former employee? Rubbed the competition up the wrong way?
Innocent:
Do you guys really think I give a sod what you think?
Yes, or why post it on a forum for others to reply to…
Innocent:
It was an hypothetical situation, to put yourselves in. I am trying to warn you that you will fall foul of my friends at DVSA so watch your arses.
But so that you all understand, we come into the uk with a full load, up to 26 pallets, that can be up to half a dozen drops then we go to the port of exit. At no time have I said it is single drop! we do occasionally load on the way out.Please please please correct me if I’m not consistent with all that I’ve said previously.
Love these forums, couldn’t get through the day without them!!!
Hope that’s better for all concerned.
I’m starting to think your crappy attitude may have got you into this mess. If you are being like this to some people commenting on a forum I dread to think of the attitude you give out to VOSA. In my vast (and it is vast) experience of VOSA/DVSA I’ve found attitude counts for a lot. The crappier it is the more trouble it produces.
Stuff you (not so?) innocent, if you can’t be polite to someone wanting to help you by trying to understand your situation then I can’t be bothered to help. If as switchlogic has said you have this or a worse attitude with a roadside DVSA guy doing his job then you deserve whatever they give you. Politeness costs nothing and I’ve gone from wanting to assist you to not giving a crap about you and hope ■■■■ do you for being an arse.
Best of luck, you’ll need it.
Dear sweet all, colleagues, enemies, the disgruntled and upset
I’ve been very clear and honest with my posts, some have read things into the situation, some think ‘there’s more to it’, etc etc.
I really haven’t got the time or energy to explain everything twice. switchlogic agrees with Mucker and quotes me as saying I come over and do One drop, funny that, I cant see where I said that.
Now some of you hope DVSA give me a good ‘going over’ sorry to disappoint you, but its not going to happen.
I have only ever asked for the cabotage allegations to be applied fairly and correctly, but you guys seem intent on conspiracy theories etc.
Despite all that’s been said, I still find myself hoping that you don’t get a cabotage allegation against you, but if and when you do, how are you going to handle it?
Keep proof of train / ferry crossing? now that’s a good idea.
Offer CMRs for the load? that’ll do the trick!
not exceed Three internal loads? Yeah, you’ve got to be bullet proof now!!
not stay over Seven Days? ■■■■, with this One covered you’ve got to be safe!!!
that should do it, shouldn’t it?
No, sorry guys, think on and make sure you’re ready for the ‘Immingham experience’ as I call it courtesy of DVSA.
Love, peace and many miles of event free driving
Innocent:
tipped the load,
As no mention is made of several drops it would be safe to assume 1 drop.
Innocent:
unloaded through the night
Again no mention of multiple drops
Innocent:
unload the trailer
Can you see why it would be a reasonable assumption to think only 1 drop was involved?
By not giving all the facts certain assumptions have to be made. If you are this condescending and rude with DVSA I can’t think why they would have a problem with you?
now we finally agree, WE cant see why they have a problem!!!
lol
Mucker85
You have said
Did you still have half a load on? you have said several times you enter the uk loaded, make 1 drop then leave empty. Is this correct?
Probably got half a load on? I thought you had one drop and then ran back mostly empty?
Again no mention of multiple drops
As no mention is made of several drops it would be safe to assume 1 drop.
I have said
unload the trailer, unloaded through the night. tipped the load,
the above really is not important.
assumption is the mother of all ■■■■ ups, I’ve asked several times if anyone wanted more information and given everything I think is pertinent, but regardless of multiple drops or single delivery point WE are discussing cabotage, so getting hung up on where the 26 pallets go is immaterial for our discussions.
for the record, I start off treating everyone with courtesy and respect, but when they try ‘having me over’ or are too mentally feeble to be able to understand the basics of cabotage rules, then they are fair game for a more terse and direct approach.
Innocent:
but when they…are too mentally feeble to be able to understand the basics of cabotage rules, then they are fair game for a more terse and direct approach.
Stop looking down your nose at people, it doesn’t do you any favours.