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Hi jim
remember my best mate at school his dad worked for barbour in the 70s at the same time as my dad worked for SOM he would bring his waggon home on a sunday. We lived in Easterhouse at the time. I remember how big his F88 looked when i was 9/10 yrs old.
and how small my dads GUY BIG J 240 Gardner looked in comparison. My mated dads name was john or jim Cameron.I bumped into my mate about 20 odd yrs ago he did say his dad wasnt driving waggons anymore.
Hello my mates!
Regarding 495 Tiptops message about different HP as Volvo F88 had he wonder if Sweden had an own norm. No, we have never had any. Either have we use SAE as Scania did or SMMT as Volvo use. That open for how we will understand the difference.
Example: Volvo F88, TD100, 260 HK SMMT
First we had Volvo L495 Titan Turbo developing 230 HP. The predecessor of L 495 were L4951 Titan Tiptop as lather become F88/G88/NB88 (NB was the Volvo with hood) and had 260 HP and never come to England but was popular among many Swedish drivers as hauled timber and 24 meters total length and weighted 52 tons total weight. This lorry was a real workhorse.
The F88 were produced between 1965 — 1973 and had TD100, 260 HP for Sweden
The G89 were produced between 1970 — 1978 and had TD120, 260 HP, 290 HP made for England.
Volvo L4951 (2-axle) and L4956 (3-axle) was only produced in small editions and only one year. A total of 1,429 were made.
I want to chow you all very beautifully restored F88. I found it on a forum for small trains (1:87) where they search for cars and lorry’s to build and use on their railway. There is many photos on one page. This lorry have been owned by the Swedish State Railway.
svensktmjforum.se/forum/inde … ic=11182.0
This one is a long haul lorry as it locked during the 60 decade. Se picture 39. The lorry has an ASG nameplate on her its roof. Very beautifully restored and made me nostalgic.
veteranlastbilar.se/Gallery.asp?pageid=831
This link shows a Danish rally with many of Volvo’s different models contain 4 pages.
veteranlastbilar.se/phpBB3/v … =20&t=4987
Lars-Gunnar 
hej fh 13 ,the 89 wasn ,t it 330 
,td 120
bma.finland:
hej fh 13 ,the 89 wasn ,t it 330
Hej Bma, yes it was, TD120A from 1970 - 1979 the F89 had all had same engines at 330 hk.
Thank you as bring a little live on this tread.
Lars-Gunnar
We ran a few F88s this is a 240 with the wrong grill but use to go on alright.As you can see its got the rust rot about in the door
FH13:
Hello my mates!Regarding 495 Tiptops message about different HP as Volvo F88 had he wonder if Sweden had an own norm. No, we have never had any. Either have we use SAE as Scania did or SMMT as Volvo use. That open for how we will understand the difference.
Example: Volvo F88, TD100, 260 HK SMMT
First we had Volvo L495 Titan Turbo developing 230 HP. The predecessor of L 495 were L4951 Titan Tiptop as lather become F88/G88/NB88 (NB was the Volvo with hood) and had 260 HP and never come to England but was popular among many Swedish drivers as hauled timber and 24 meters total length and weighted 52 tons total weight. This lorry was a real workhorse.
The F88 were produced between 1965 — 1973 and had TD100, 260 HP for Sweden
The G89 were produced between 1970 — 1978 and had TD120, 260 HP, 290 HP made for England.Volvo L4951 (2-axle) and L4956 (3-axle) was only produced in small editions and only one year. A total of 1,429 were made.
I want to chow you all very beautifully restored F88. I found it on a forum for small trains (1:87) where they search for cars and lorry’s to build and use on their railway. There is many photos on one page. This lorry have been owned by the Swedish State Railway.
svensktmjforum.se/forum/inde … ic=11182.0
This one is a long haul lorry as it locked during the 60 decade. Se picture 39. The lorry has an ASG nameplate on her its roof. Very beautifully restored and made me nostalgic.
veteranlastbilar.se/Gallery.asp?pageid=831
This link shows a Danish rally with many of Volvo’s different models contain 4 pages.
veteranlastbilar.se/phpBB3/v … =20&t=4987
Lars-Gunnar
Hallo FH 13, first nice sites you linkt through, sorry for confronting you with this but I are always open for discussions.
I have a F88 brochure in Swedish of the F88 and over there they speak about 250HK for the TD100A or was it maybe a typ fault ■■ and here we have 260 DIN or 270 SAE so what do you think. And about the 89 they revealed 330HK DIN/SAE/SMMT.
Cheers Eric,
tiptop495:
FH13:
Hello my mates!Regarding 495 Tiptops message about different HP as Volvo F88 had he wonder if Sweden had an own norm. No, we have never had any. Either have we use SAE as Scania did or SMMT as Volvo use. That open for how we will understand the difference.
Example: Volvo F88, TD100, 260 HK SMMT
First we had Volvo L495 Titan Turbo developing 230 HP. The predecessor of L 495 were L4951 Titan Tiptop as lather become F88/G88/NB88 (NB was the Volvo with hood) and had 260 HP and never come to England but was popular among many Swedish drivers as hauled timber and 24 meters total length and weighted 52 tons total weight. This lorry was a real workhorse.
The F88 were produced between 1965 — 1973 and had TD100, 260 HP for Sweden
The G89 were produced between 1970 — 1978 and had TD120, 260 HP, 290 HP made for England.Volvo L4951 (2-axle) and L4956 (3-axle) was only produced in small editions and only one year. A total of 1,429 were made.
I want to chow you all very beautifully restored F88. I found it on a forum for small trains (1:87) where they search for cars and lorry’s to build and use on their railway. There is many photos on one page. This lorry have been owned by the Swedish State Railway.
svensktmjforum.se/forum/inde … ic=11182.0
This one is a long haul lorry as it locked during the 60 decade. Se picture 39. The lorry has an ASG nameplate on her its roof. Very beautifully restored and made me nostalgic.
veteranlastbilar.se/Gallery.asp?pageid=831
This link shows a Danish rally with many of Volvo’s different models contain 4 pages.
veteranlastbilar.se/phpBB3/v … =20&t=4987
Lars-Gunnar
Hallo FH 13, first nice sites you linkt through, sorry for confronting you with this but I are always open for discussions.
I have a F88 brochure in Swedish of the F88 and over there they speak about 250HK for the TD100A or was it maybe a typ fault ■■ and here we have 260 DIN or 270 SAE so what do you think. And about the 89 they revealed 330HK DIN/SAE/SMMT.Cheers Eric,
I have a British dealer information pack which says the F88 had 260DIN/270SAE bhp. The model is known as the F88-240, so I assume that 240bhp is the net figure (possibly to BSAu141, which was the standard here from about 1970ish) and 260 is DIN gross. I do not think different markets had different power outputs, it was simply different measurement standards. I stand to be corrected.
I cannot explain why all the F89 figures are the same, regardless of standard. For any other engine, the SAE figure is about 10% greater than DIN net. I think that the SAE test uses laboratory inlet and exhaust systems, which are regulated to remove the effects of flow restriction. All I can guess is that the F89 had some peculiar resonance in its gasflow at full power speed, which actually helped it flow, so the SAE test rig did not give it the advantage that it gave to other engines. The alternative explanation, of course, is that Volvo’s figures are wrong.
Evening all, late night, and not in good humour!!!
So Anorak, Im inclined to agree with your statement about Volvo figures.
I have an Italian spec sheet 1975, showing 360hp,
A French one showing 330hp DIN. 1975
and an early UK one showing 315hp!!!
Is this a Royal Flush!!!
Im away to the Bollinger…its too complicated for this old Farmer…oh my 75 UK one, it shows 330BS hp!!!
Far beyond me…could it be horses for courses■■?
But a bl…y fine lorry to drive…I still think , one of the best ever…stuff you Scania men every day…if only you had had a proper gearbox…but you did not!!!
Im going its cold in this old barn, nd the Bollinger beckons! Bon Nuit, Cheerio for now.
Saviem:
Evening all, late night, and not in good humour!!!So Anorak, Im inclined to agree with your statement about Volvo figures.
I have an Italian spec sheet 1975, showing 360hp,
A French one showing 330hp DIN. 1975
and an early UK one showing 315hp!!!
Is this a Royal Flush!!!
Im away to the Bollinger…its too complicated for this old Farmer…oh my 75 UK one, it shows 330BS hp!!!
Far beyond me…could it be horses for courses■■?
But a bl…y fine lorry to drive…I still think , one of the best ever…stuff you Scania men every day…if only you had had a proper gearbox…but you did not!!!
Im going its cold in this old barn, nd the Bollinger beckons! Bon Nuit, Cheerio for now.
Bonne année Monsieur Saviem. There is a post somewhere from our resident F89 expert, The Crow, that states that the Italian F89 had a different injection pump, which gave it the power to beat the 352bhp minimum for Italy. Elsewhere, someone else has posted that the 340bhp Magirus V12 was rated at 360bhp for that market. I read somewhere, ages ago, that even DAF, with its comparatively small (11.6 litre) engine, had a 350bhp 2800 for Italy.
Regarding the Volvo power figures, maybe 315bhp was BSAu141 net and 330bhp was gross (DIN and BS). This would make sense. It would not explain the 330 SAE figure, though: that should have been 350+, for the same engine.
Another factor is that there are tolerances on engines and even fuel. Even the ambient air temperature and pressure will be controlled within limits, when the engines are tested. If the DIN, BSAu and SAE tests are conducted on different days, in different locations and on different individual engines, the results will have some variation. The quoted figures are just what a particular engine achieved on a single test. Plus, the figures do not take into account what happens when Mr. Greedypower, the fitter, gets his spanners on the injection pump and turbocharger!
Got to go for my tea…Im a pensioner!! No I think its more to do with what suits the “local” market…
Am I cynical…of course I am… I worked in the industry for a long time!!
Bon Anee,et tous vapeuers, Cheerio for now.
[zb]
anorak:tiptop495:
FH13:
Hello my mates!Regarding 495 Tiptops message about different HP as Volvo F88 had he wonder if Sweden had an own norm. No, we have never had any. Either have we use SAE as Scania did or SMMT as Volvo use. That open for how we will understand the difference.
Example: Volvo F88, TD100, 260 HK SMMT
First we had Volvo L495 Titan Turbo developing 230 HP. The predecessor of L 495 were L4951 Titan Tiptop as lather become F88/G88/NB88 (NB was the Volvo with hood) and had 260 HP and never come to England but was popular among many Swedish drivers as hauled timber and 24 meters total length and weighted 52 tons total weight. This lorry was a real workhorse.
The F88 were produced between 1965 — 1973 and had TD100, 260 HP for Sweden
The G89 were produced between 1970 — 1978 and had TD120, 260 HP, 290 HP made for England.Volvo L4951 (2-axle) and L4956 (3-axle) was only produced in small editions and only one year. A total of 1,429 were made.
I want to chow you all very beautifully restored F88. I found it on a forum for small trains (1:87) where they search for cars and lorry’s to build and use on their railway. There is many photos on one page. This lorry have been owned by the Swedish State Railway.
svensktmjforum.se/forum/inde … ic=11182.0
This one is a long haul lorry as it locked during the 60 decade. Se picture 39. The lorry has an ASG nameplate on her its roof. Very beautifully restored and made me nostalgic.
veteranlastbilar.se/Gallery.asp?pageid=831
This link shows a Danish rally with many of Volvo’s different models contain 4 pages.
veteranlastbilar.se/phpBB3/v … =20&t=4987
Lars-Gunnar
Hallo FH 13, first nice sites you linkt through, sorry for confronting you with this but I are always open for discussions.
I have a F88 brochure in Swedish of the F88 and over there they speak about 250HK for the TD100A or was it maybe a typ fault ■■ and here we have 260 DIN or 270 SAE so what do you think. And about the 89 they revealed 330HK DIN/SAE/SMMT.Cheers Eric,
I have a British dealer information pack which says the F88 had 260DIN/270SAE bhp. The model is known as the F88-240, so I assume that 240bhp is the net figure (possibly to BSAu141, which was the standard here from about 1970ish) and 260 is DIN gross. I do not think different markets had different power outputs, it was simply different measurement standards. I stand to be corrected.
I cannot explain why all the F89 figures are the same, regardless of standard. For any other engine, the SAE figure is about 10% greater than DIN net. I think that the SAE test uses laboratory inlet and exhaust systems, which are regulated to remove the effects of flow restriction. All I can guess is that the F89 had some peculiar resonance in its gasflow at full power speed, which actually helped it flow, so the SAE test rig did not give it the advantage that it gave to other engines. The alternative explanation, of course, is that Volvo’s figures are wrong.
Hi Eric!
Yes you are quite right here. From 1965 and system 8 it had 250 hk then later 260 in Sweden. I have the book “Lastbilarna igÃ¥r oxch idag” (The lorries yesterday and today) on Swedish and the author have wrote F88 had 260 - 290 HP. That is the only info I have. That book is not very perfect. As I read it is different HP in different countries so I can´t say more.
Lars-Gunnar
Hallo to everyone, i agree with what you all suggest, different measure norms from country to country. And maybe the impression they wanted to make in some countries.nowedays with the ISO norm it is better to compare, and still on the roads their is big difference in pulling power. But abaut all, we can say in general the F88 F89 were good powerfull lorries. Ones my Father got one of the first F88’s so 240,250,260,270 the like you want to call it, and it was heads above any other make and sure in power ( everybody was jealous of it ).Still with the 8 speed box and low gearing it wasn’t a speeder it only could do about 95kph with 1200x20 tyres but good for the days, some other could only do 80kph, we had the 4,92/4,88 ratio as fastest.I don’t know which you had in England maybe faster because of the lower 32Ton limit.The 16 speed box was better geared but the was future till '69. Only the small cab and air wippers were a bit down but the tillting cab made lots good,and for our norms compared with other it could live with them.But only the Germans were ahead with their (pullman cabs).My opinion is the the cab was a revolution we it came in '64 but outdated around 1970 but so far it hold till '77 '78 ,and for my part it might stay for ever 
.
Cheers Eric,
In it’s highdays loaded with more as 25 tons rocks for the jetty in Ostend,on the moterway it could hold about 100kph
of coures with the rev counter in the red 
and the engine 
.And it did more as 6ooooo km without a spanner, what was excellent in those days.Compared with nowedays 
.
Cheers Eric,
Hello again Tiptop, and all the other fans of European vehicles in the 1950s and ‘60s. This is the period which most interests me, because it was a time of rapid progress in the design and marketing of lorries. The manufacturers which embraced that notion were the ones which survived into the future, I think, and it is fascinating to investigate the different ways in which they all achieved their goals.
You mention the German “Pullman” type cabs being the leaders, ahead of the L4951/F88- do you mean the “round” or “square” Mercedes, or other types? There was an article on Biglorryblog last year, showing a Wackenhut conversion of a 1965(?) LP1924. The interior finish and fittings looked superior to many luxury cars of the period, including Mercedes’!
Tiptop 495,
The fastest ratio was the 4,32 which allowed about 118 K/mh with 16 gears and 1200x20 but few were delivered because top speed and availbility to climb.
One TF 89 restored in France ,close is a Willeme.
michel:
That shoud be in my garage, just lovely.
Ross
that 89 abserlutely beutifull regards rowly
Yes I agree, such a beautiful lorry and what lucky the owner sure is.
First time I saw a F88 was at home when a 24 meters vehicle ran down the way near our house. It was build for carry bricks from the sawmill not far away. It was so high compared to L495 and it locked very powerful. The lorry and pup was painted dark green and the chassis grey.
Lars-Gunnar
michel:
Tiptop 495,
The fastest ratio was the 4,32 which allowed about 118 K/mh with 16 gears and 1200x20 but few were delivered because top speed and availbility to climb.
One TF 89 restored in France ,close is a Willeme.
Bonsoir Michel,comment ça va
The 4.32 was available with the 8 speed box too but never have found one here in Belgium for in my 8 speed F88, but with a 16 box it must surely has been a high flyer.I drove the 89 with the 4.92 and the was already a flyer.I always wanted one but stayed with the 88 my seventies camion is now a 141 I can’t have everthing and be happy with what
I have, I’m not a millionaire . The 4.32 was the double reduction and the 4.30 the one with hub reduction.
Cheers Eric,
