Dave the Renegade:
Vans with windows in the back are classed as cars.
Wrong Dave. The Vito that comes out of the factory as a big car with the 300hp engine, rear windows and 6-9 seats are still subject to the 50, 60, 70 nat speed limits. I know a man who recently found out the hard way!
DoYouMeanMe?:
Wrong Dave. The Vito that comes out of the factory as a big car with the 300hp engine, rear windows and 6-9 seats are still subject to the 50, 60, 70 nat speed limits. I know a man who recently found out the hard way!
So the Eurotaxi also have to drive 50/60/70, because they are van derived? 
mrpj:
AHT:
as are things like the discover commercialCar derived so not subject to the lower limits unless they’re now over 2t as the series 1 I had wasn’t.
Fairly sure a discovery is closer to 3 tonne GVW
Don’t forget part of the qualifying criteria for being commercial is that it carries over a tonne
orys:
AHT:
Those speed limits have been in the highway code for along time i belive around 20 years, So there is no excuse for not knowing themBut also, the vans have changed over 20 years, so maybe it’s time to get rid of them? Sprinter is driving better than many 4x4s, it’s no longer time of Commers or other silly things that would tip over at every second bend…
I suppose it really depends what they are loaded with and how, don’t forget the vast majority of builders vans are loaded with all sorts of sharp heavy things that are in no way secured, hence chaos if one crashes, a van carrying light boxes fine
TBH i drive a pick up as my every day vehicle and can’t really say the reduced limits really bother me most duel carriageways 60 is plenty with junctions, pedestrians, cyclists tight bends etc same with country roads, Motorway is 70 anyway
AHT:
I suppose it really depends what they are loaded with and how, don’t forget the vast majority of builders vans are loaded with all sorts of sharp heavy things that are in no way secured, hence chaos if one crashes, a van carrying light boxes fine
TBH i drive a pick up as my every day vehicle and can’t really say the reduced limits really bother me most duel carriageways 60 is plenty with junctions, pedestrians, cyclists tight bends etc same with country roads, Motorway is 70 anyway
many handymans drive estate cars or 4x4’s loaded up to the roof with the same stuff, unlike the vans these vehicles aren’t designed to do that, they have no bulkheads protecting the drivers, their brakes aren’t designed to copy with heavy loads, the 4x4 are highly suspended, so they are wobbly on bends etc…
Personally I feel safer when driving lightly loaded sprinter than empty Land Rover…
orys:
DoYouMeanMe?:
Wrong Dave. The Vito that comes out of the factory as a big car with the 300hp engine, rear windows and 6-9 seats are still subject to the 50, 60, 70 nat speed limits. I know a man who recently found out the hard way!So the Eurotaxi also have to drive 50/60/70, because they are van derived?
I think their may be special rules for taxi’s. Alongside the ones that says your have to be the worlds most reckless driver, smell of stale sweat due to bathing once a month whether you need it or not and usually be found hanging round the toilets in dodgy parks.
DoYouMeanMe?:
orys:
DoYouMeanMe?:
Wrong Dave. The Vito that comes out of the factory as a big car with the 300hp engine, rear windows and 6-9 seats are still subject to the 50, 60, 70 nat speed limits. I know a man who recently found out the hard way!So the Eurotaxi also have to drive 50/60/70, because they are van derived?
I think their may be special rules for taxi’s. Alongside the ones that says your have to be the worlds most reckless driver, smell of stale sweat due to bathing once a month whether you need it or not and usually be found hanging round the toilets in dodgy parks.
That has to be British rule - that explains why in British taxis driver is placed behind kind of bulkhead
There are no British taxi drivers, only taxi drivers in Britain. Totally different thing!
DoYouMeanMe?:
Dave the Renegade:
Vans with windows in the back are classed as cars.Wrong Dave. The Vito that comes out of the factory as a big car with the 300hp engine, rear windows and 6-9 seats are still subject to the 50, 60, 70 nat speed limits. I know a man who recently found out the hard way!
Construction and use law say that a van that has side windows fitted to the rear can do 60 on normal roads etc.I checked with the DVLA.
That is a 216CDI Sprinter.
DoYouMeanMe?:
There are no British taxi drivers, only taxi drivers in Britain. Totally different thing!
That might be true. All of them who are too dirty to drive cabs in other countries land here 
Dave. It can’t do 70 on a DC. A guy I know well was pretty ■■■■■■ when he got done for speeding on the A30 after spending 30K in one of the Vito/Viano type things. He was done as it’s a 60 limit for that, 70 for cars.
Maybe the coppers, judge and solicitor were all wrong?
When I was a taxi driver I drove an 8 seat vito and it was classed as a car. Said diesel car in the taxation class on the log book.
This is very interesting. It’s all about what they are classed as - hence the same vehicle such as a Vito is subject to van speed limits if classed as a commercial vehicle but car speed limits if it is fitted out with 8 seats etc (as I understand it). Then you get the situation where a larger van over 3.5t is limited to 56, where a huge 15 metre double decker coach can do 62. And then there is weight - if the 2000 kg limit was strictly applied to all vehicles then many exotic super cars would be over this and be restricted to van speed limits !
jessicas dad:
marsden:
One I used to drive.Do you live in skipton■■?
used to, live over wakey now, good friends with Diddler and Dodgy, Petty`s & knowels
Dave the Renegade:
DoYouMeanMe?:
Dave the Renegade:
Vans with windows in the back are classed as cars.Wrong Dave. The Vito that comes out of the factory as a big car with the 300hp engine, rear windows and 6-9 seats are still subject to the 50, 60, 70 nat speed limits. I know a man who recently found out the hard way!
Construction and use law say that a van that has side windows fitted to the rear can do 60 on normal roads etc.I checked with the DVLA.
That is a 216CDI Sprinter.
My Sprinter was ex crew cab you can still see the window rubbers even though it has been wrapped, I removed seats and table and converted it to sleeper by putting a bed in it (DAF matress from a scrapper), put a 12v night heater in, tv, dvd, coolbox, sink, did have a microwave in but it stuffs the batteries so took it out, back end is the workshop, can refill most fire extinguishers on site, its sat at 3.5T most days.
Interesting thread, and an issue I have had cause to look into myself. My 2011 Landrover Defender 110 is legally a van, so limited to the lower limits (with its fuel consumption you would have to be insane or loaded to drive it fast anyway) however, until 2010 the station wagon versions were still classed as cars as they had the windows and seats in, but they paid full-whack tax of over £450 a year. Then Landrover changed them from N1 cars to M1 commercials, so they got cheaper tax, and lower limits. Going back even further to when they were dual-purpose vehicles, they were treated the same as cars. So far as I know the various Range Rover and Discovery types were always dual purpose and are now cars, even though some versions are heavier than Defenders.So legally I can drive my 1969 IIA faster than my 2011 110…hmmm. I have never seen these lower limits enforced though, and as has been mentioned before, very few HGVs bother with the 40 and 50 limits on SC and DC.
As to tachos in vans, I did some agency work for HSS tool hire a few months ago and their transits all have tachos - I asked if it was for when towing and was told no, its due to new laws coming in soon…!
As to tachos in vans, I did some agency work for HSS tool hire a few months ago and their transits all have tachos - I asked if it was for when towing and was told no, its due to new laws coming in soon…!
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Wonder if it is to keep an eye on speeds (easier to be prosecuted with a record) or will it be for drivers hours also? dont know how I will go on as Im on 24/7 fire alarm call out, maybe I will be exempt as it only carries own goods and is not for hire or reward, that said I have to have my waste carriers license for removing fire extinguishers from customers premises, I have to charge for this service so does it make that hire and reward?
Its a good job I have to carry a big tub of Vaseline (to lubricate the O rings on fire extinguishers so dont bother with the jokes thank you 
) so that it makes it less painful for me to be shafted by Government, VOSA and environment agency. How much are tacho`s to be fitted and calibrated nowadays?
mrpj:
AHT:
as are things like the discover commercialCar derived so not subject to the lower limits unless they’re now over 2t as the series 1 I had wasn’t.
A disco has always had a MAM of over 2t, it wasn’t far off 2t unladen.
Remember the 2t is Maximum Allowable Mass aka Max Gross Weight, not unladen.
BanburyDan:
Then Landrover changed them from N1 cars to M1 commercials,
Wrong way round , they changed them from M1 cars to N1 commercials
I thought the law was already in that a van towing a trailer for business purposes (trailer and chipper for bark or wacker plates etc) had to run tacho’s and also have an O licence. If it’s not in yet, it’s due in shortly.
I read a thread on a forum somewhere saying it will kill a lot of small businesses as the O licence funding requirement stays the same.
Wonder if it will count for ■■■■■■? (lives in hope)
