I’ve just made a right boobie.
I had 8 hrs off last night in Canada, ran 200 miles to load (in Canada) and showed two hours off there whilst doing ‘other things’, so that’ll be 10 hrs off. Crossed the border at International Falls and went straight to ZERO everything! I am now in violation and had to shut down here… doh!
At least it’s generally much simpler than in Europe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah … any excuse for extra kip 
I got put out of service by the US DOT in Maine last year for something similar and got parked up for two hours to compensate. No fine though.
robinhood_1984:
I got put out of service by the US DOT in Maine last year for something similar and got parked up for two hours to compensate. No fine though.
I’d had 8 off at night, then 2 before crossing border, but e-log says ZERO, so I have to have 10 off (and some extra kip, and a few beers Pat).
robinhood_1984:
I got put out of service by the US DOT in Maine last year for something similar and got parked up for two hours to compensate. No fine though.
You were very lucky ! … Maine has the worst reputation for DOT being hard, I have known drivers be locked up for 24 hours for log offences there.
You didn’t get a fine but it will still give you CSA points 
would have thought they sort something out so same rules for both countries. Yea its easier in Europe as all countries have the same rules and digi card makes life so much easier but also a pain in the arse when 30 mins short for the boat lol
Pat Hasler:
robinhood_1984:
I got put out of service by the US DOT in Maine last year for something similar and got parked up for two hours to compensate. No fine though.You were very lucky ! … Maine has the worst reputation for DOT being hard, I have known drivers be locked up for 24 hours for log offences there.
You didn’t get a fine but it will still give you CSA points
I’ve never had the slightest problem in Maine. Basically I’d had two hours off during the day on a Wednesday and Wednesday night I had 8 hours off in order to get to Saint John, NB from Montreal in time to tip. Made it there with 5 mins to spare and then got a short trip over to Maine. I hooked up and crossed the border at Calais and intended to stop at the Irving truck stop about 2 miles over the border but got apprehended by the DOT on the border itself, by which time 24 hours had passed since the two hours the previous day so on a rolling 24 at that point in time I’d only had 8 hours off and not 10. No fine and he told me it wouldn’t affect the CSA score, I dont know if it did or not.
I’ve had loads of level 1 and 2 checks in Maine and while they are thorough they seem to be fair. My only fines in the US have been overweight fines. One in Virginia and a VERY large one in NY.
mickfly:
robinhood_1984:
I got put out of service by the US DOT in Maine last year for something similar and got parked up for two hours to compensate. No fine though.I’d had 8 off at night, then 2 before crossing border, but e-log says ZERO, so I have to have 10 off (and some extra kip, and a few beers Pat).
Does that record an infringement on your elog for all to see like a digital tacho does? If you get pulled for a check in a few days time in lets say Nebraska, will they immidiately see you’ve done that and issue you a fine/csa points or isn’t it that in depth?
robinhood_1984:
mickfly:
robinhood_1984:
I got put out of service by the US DOT in Maine last year for something similar and got parked up for two hours to compensate. No fine though.I’d had 8 off at night, then 2 before crossing border, but e-log says ZERO, so I have to have 10 off (and some extra kip, and a few beers Pat).
Does that record an infringement on your elog for all to see like a digital tacho does? If you get pulled for a check in a few days time in lets say Nebraska, will they immidiately see you’ve done that and issue you a fine/csa points or isn’t it that in depth?
It shows on the online logs (which the cops/dot can access), but I don’t know if they can ‘do’ me, after the fact, and I did stop at the first safe place and shutdown for a full 10 hrs.
In all elogs there is a section for DOT inspections and for violations which it is down to the driver to fill in.
Does elog automatcaly change when you cross the border ? I asked because on Monday I have to enter Canada.
Pat Hasler:
In all elogs there is a section for DOT inspections and for violations which it is down to the driver to fill in.
Does elog automatcaly change when you cross the border ? I asked because on Monday I have to enter Canada.
Yes it does Pat, it goes from English to French automaticaly. 
Wee Wee 
Pat Hasler:
In all elogs there is a section for DOT inspections and for violations which it is down to the driver to fill in.
Does elog automatcaly change when you cross the border ? I asked because on Monday I have to enter Canada.
I’m not sure if it would be classed as a violation because I did stop straight away, I had to drive to get out of the border crossing area anyway as they would have sent me on to park somewhere if they considered that I had transgressed, so I didn’t mark anything on my logs.
Yes, t changes and shows the Canadian hours rules when you cross, ie gain two driving hours, but lose two on the way back south.
BTW, if you complain about US (East side) truck stops, wait 'till you try the Canuck ones!
Enjoy.
mickfly:
I’m not sure if it would be classed as a violation because I did stop straight away, I had to drive to get out of the border crossing area anyway as they would have sent me on to park somewhere if they considered that I had transgressed, so I didn’t mark anything on my logs.
I got inspected right on the border, before I could even leave the compound and had fallen foul of the 10 hours rest in the rolling 24 period and got put out of service on the spot, he wouldn’t let me drive the 1.5 miles to the truckstop that I was heading to any way. I didn’t get a fine but it was a violation which I got a report for. The second you enter American soil without driving time or insuffient rest its a violation, even right on the border. Wether your elog records it as such is another matter as I have no idea how they work and would like to keep it that way for as long as possible.
The downright arrogance of the DOT sometimes infuriates me, putting a driver out of service is justified but not letting him drive a short distance to a place where he can eat, shower and get proper rest is just cruel.
At least when I did get stopped back in England I was actually instructed by the cop to drive to a safe area with facilities.
Pat Hasler:
The downright arrogance of the DOT sometimes infuriates me, putting a driver out of service is justified but not letting him drive a short distance to a place where he can eat, shower and get proper rest is just cruel.
At least when I did get stopped back in England I was actually instructed by the cop to drive to a safe area with facilities.
Well I only got held there for two hours until I could show 10 hours off in 24…by which time I only had 15 minutes of 14 hour window left anyway so then had no choice but to go to the before mentioned truckstop.
robinhood_1984:
mickfly:
I’m not sure if it would be classed as a violation because I did stop straight away, I had to drive to get out of the border crossing area anyway as they would have sent me on to park somewhere if they considered that I had transgressed, so I didn’t mark anything on my logs.I got inspected right on the border, before I could even leave the compound and had fallen foul of the 10 hours rest in the rolling 24 period and got put out of service on the spot, he wouldn’t let me drive the 1.5 miles to the truckstop that I was heading to any way. I didn’t get a fine but it was a violation which I got a report for. The second you enter American soil without driving time or insuffient rest its a violation, even right on the border. Wether your elog records it as such is another matter as I have no idea how they work and would like to keep it that way for as long as possible.
I was at International Falls, so they would have struggled to park me up there!
The error was noticed by me as my log went to zero, luckily, not at any kind of inspection.
The DOT are aerosoles, one scale in Colorado had a guy climbing up the side of his load of plastic pipe (about 14’) without ladders to remove his rolled up tarp as it had him just over height!
Also, on the way through Colorado I have to stop at EVERY scale (3) in the same day to get checked and have my permit stamped. In Georgia if I don’t sign my oversize permit in blue ink it’s invalid, and in Illinois if I go in the scale with the single sheet of paper which is my permit, but don’t take in the other three detail sheets from my book I risk a fine of $120 and they won’t let me nip out to the truck to bring them in.
mickfly:
I was at International Falls, so they would have struggled to park me up there!The error was noticed by me as my log went to zero, luckily, not at any kind of inspection.
The DOT are aerosoles, one scale in Colorado had a guy climbing up the side of his load of plastic pipe (about 14’) without ladders to remove his rolled up tarp as it had him just over height!
Also, on the way through Colorado I have to stop at EVERY scale (3) in the same day to get checked and have my permit stamped. In Georgia if I don’t sign my oversize permit in blue ink it’s invalid, and in Illinois if I go in the scale with the single sheet of paper which is my permit, but don’t take in the other three detail sheets from my book I risk a fine of $120 and they won’t let me nip out to the truck to bring them in.
I’m on reset in Salt Lake City right now and tipped in Idaho on Friday. This is my first trip to the American west and I still dont know what all these “port of entry” things are and all these signs going on about trucks needing permits to enter/load/unload etc. When I arrived in Wyoming from Nebraska on I80 I went inside the building with all my papers and he got quite arsey about my lack of knowledge of the situation. He looked at my registration, typed something in to his computer and said “You’re ok!” as he threw all my paperwork back at me.
They just want to know if you’re licensed to run in those states and check that you’re IFTA registered, no big deal after the first time
So what do you think about the wild west then 
newmercman:
They just want to know if you’re licensed to run in those states and check that you’re IFTA registered, no big deal after the first timeSo what do you think about the wild west then
Do I have to stop and walk in to the building every time then?
I much prefere it out here and I should be over this way fairly regularly in the new job. There is some eastern seaboard but mostly only to get to points further south etc.
You have to enter the building every time. When you enter New Mexico on US 56 from Oklahoma/ Kansas you have to make a detour to the port of entry, if you don’t have a permit to show them for the state you have to pay for the amount of miles your route takes you, if you deviate you could get in trouble. On one occasion I came back from AZ into NM on I-10 and went inside the building but they didn’t charge me a cent ?