United states jobs

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS EX-PAT BRITISH TRUCKERS (INTERACTIVE)
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i came across this job in the tamworth herald and applied for it has any one else has any imformation about jobs in the united states

tamworthherald.co.uk/
Truck Driver
Salary:850 usd + benefits Location:Dallas, Chicago, Florida, Usa Job Type:Permanent Date Posted:20-Sep-2007 14:08Add to My Shortlist Truck Driving in the USA Employers available to sponsor you for your greencard. 2 year process. Late model trucks. 48 state long haul or regional… 7 years. All drivers have work visas before leaving home. All employers approved by immigration.
tonka

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I think you will find that there is no legal way a USA truck company can sponser you for a green card,I would guess its just some “fly by night” imigration company looking to scam you for a few grand!!! :imp:

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You’ll probably find it’s something to do with truckersforusa.com who seem to be the king of USA Green card scams and based in Australia, as are these people advertising in the Tamworth paper.

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:open_mouth: :open_mouth: Don’t give the robbing [zb] er’s a penny cos trust me it won’t happen :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

It is not just a simple case of employee sponsorship :unamused: Especially for a green card let alone a visa :unamused:
Sorry chap but it’s just another scam :cry: They pop up every so often like a recurring dose of thrush :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

There are ways to do it but this is not one of them :wink: Trust me

PM me if that isn’t clear enough or you need further explanation :smiley: :wink:

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i have been reading posts on this forum for sometime and find it very curious that when ever some one asks about working in the states the same people seem to know its a scam or it cant be done
Kiowan you named a specific company that you said was a scam do you have first hand knowledge or did you get scammed yourself ?

propshaft

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I havn’t been scammed but know a few who have … I hold a green card and drive a truck here.
NO COMPANY , Thats NO COMPANY !!! can sponser any driver for a green card .
For [zb] sakes what does it take to get through to you people ?

Truck driving is classed as a non skilled job over here, the only way anyone from the UK can get a green card is to have very close relatives who are US citizens, by ‘close’ I mean spouse, father, mother etc … not distant cousin etc

If however you wish to pay these company’s the fee’s that they will undoubtedly ask for then go ahead and throw your money away… they will take it. keep you on hold for a while then tell you that unfortunately you do not qualify, but they are retaining the application and prossesing fees.

besides which $850 is ■■■■ money :frowning:

Language edit. If iy needs stars to get it past the auto censor then that is the very obvious clue it isn’t allowed.

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:laughing: Couldn’t have put it better myself Pat.

The UK lucks out in many respects in this instance. For example we are not eligible for the “Green Card Lottery”.
As Pat said NO COMPANY can sponsor an individual.
Many of the do-able loopholes have been systematically closed off over the last 5 years or so since the Immigration and Naturalisation Service fell under the purview of the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act was introduced. :open_mouth:

Immigration used to be dealt with at your local state office and each state had a degree of flexibility depending on local needs. Now it is handled at a National level by 2 (I think) call centres. You can not even phone your local office direct anymore, the numbers divert to the central one. :unamused:

In addition to these things, the ever present Amnesty issue has also meant the tightening of the number of Green Cards and work Visas issued :unamused:

IF somehow you managed to find and employer, who somehow managed to get LABOR CERTIFICATION for you (done at a local level) and THEN you went to DHS for a VISA via the US Embassy in London. Then made it past them and got put in this years que for said VISA you would have been statistically better off than a lottery winner.
Then assuming you got that far you would have to bare in mind that the only VISA you could even spuriously get to cover you is of limited quantity. Only (at last count) 66,000 are issued annually and that is for the whole world :open_mouth: You will be in competition with many other recognised skilled occupations to get it to :open_mouth:

I am not saying it is impossible but unless you have something else on your side and ■■■■ good contacts over there, it aint gonna happen, not these days :wink:

Oh and supposing you could swing it you wouldn’t be doing the most glorious or well paid jobs until you have built up a US driving record :wink:

NOW does THAT explain it for you :unamused:

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well this is all very interesting but you guys are well of the mark ,I have worked for 7 years for a company that has been processing h2b visa for brits, aussies and kiwis and a few Europeans.
We have placed just over 800 drivers with US companies, these are temporary positions but an extension is usually granted up to 3 years in total
2 years ago we started doing greencards because the department of labor changed to the perm system of approvals, we have just got our first drivers on greencards and many more are on work authorization cards the last stage before the greencard
As far as scams go we are a small business the owner of the company is a registered immigration agent, as you would be aware if you already have a greencard you would have had to pay these fees every step of the way, these are large fees payable to the relevant departments an example is over $1000 US dollars for the I 485 alone then there is the I 140 which isn’t that far behind and there was a large increase in July 07
Our company gets our income from a recruitment fee from the sponsor trucking company and that is usually when the driver actually starts work
I won’t put the name of our company here but if you are in the states have a look at the front page of the latest issue of The Trucker
Regards propshaft

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propshaft:
well this is all very interesting but you guys are well of the mark ,

Really :unamused:

I have worked for 7 years for a company that has been processing h2b visa for brits, aussies and kiwis and a few Europeans.
We have placed just over 800 drivers with US companies, these are temporary positions but an extension is usually granted up to 3 years in total

The H2b is and has always been for temporary vacancies only subject to local labor certification as I said. It’s stipulations are for a one off period subject to the employer having not employed or intend to further employ a person in the specified capacity :wink: That’s how they get labor certification :unamused: Oh and seeing as how it has been noted in several areas by the government at all levels “Trucking is not a recognised SKILL” and thus cannot be an H2b qualifying criteria for a skills shortage temporarily or otherwise. Unless of course you don’t employ them as “Drivers” :unamused:

2 years ago we started doing greencards because the department of labor changed to the perm system of approvals, we have just got our first drivers on greencards and many more are on work authorization cards the last stage before the greencard

and what exactly is DOing a green card ■■?

As far as scams go we are a small business the owner of the company is a registered immigration agent, as you would be aware if you already have a greencard you would have had to pay these fees every step of the way, these are large fees payable to the relevant departments an example is over $1000 US dollars for the I 485 alone then there is the I 140 which isn’t that far behind and there was a large increase in July 07
Our company gets our income from a recruitment fee from the sponsor trucking company and that is usually when the driver actually starts work
I won’t put the name of our company here but if you are in the states have a look at the front page of the latest issue of The Trucker
Regards propshaft

I am well aware of the costs involved(the clue is in my name and location of my houses) :unamused: and VERY aware of the system and how it works, more importantly how to work it :wink: Dress it up any way you like my friend but your information above has more holes in it than a colender. You may have figured a “way around things” but with the frequent changes at DHS I doubt it will last and I have serious reservations as to the legality or permenance of it. :smiley:

As I said above it is not impossible :wink: just difficult , unlikely and risky :smiley:

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propshaft:
well this is all very interesting but you guys are well of the mark ,I have worked for 7 years for a company that has been processing h2b visa for brits, aussies and kiwis and a few Europeans.
We have placed just over 800 drivers with US companies, these are temporary positions but an extension is usually granted up to 3 years in total
2 years ago we started doing greencards because the department of labor changed to the perm system of approvals, we have just got our first drivers on greencards and many more are on work authorization cards the last stage before the greencard
As far as scams go we are a small business the owner of the company is a registered immigration agent, as you would be aware if you already have a greencard you would have had to pay these fees every step of the way, these are large fees payable to the relevant departments an example is over $1000 US dollars for the I 485 alone then there is the I 140 which isn’t that far behind and there was a large increase in July 07
Our company gets our income from a recruitment fee from the sponsor trucking company and that is usually when the driver actually starts work
I won’t put the name of our company here but if you are in the states have a look at the front page of the latest issue of The Trucker
Regards propshaft

Sorry … but I don’t believe a word of that ! … I spent enought time working for Fed Ex and applying for transfer when they gave me redundancy notice along wiht thousands of others, they couldn’t do it … I spent a year here as an ilegal before marrying my wife.

You are not going to admit the truth because it will cost you money :exclamation:

INS only charge $450 dollars to do everything anyway so a grand is making a lot of profit for you isn’t it. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.
Anyone who believes you is going to loose money for nothing.

However :exclamation: … If they want to try then let them and learn the hard way. Canada is fine, but the only driving anyone can do as a UK citizen is seasonal farm work, that lasts abour 90 days, then it back home to the UK.

Don’t con these people :imp:

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In response to your question Propshaft, no I haven’t been conned myself, because I did plenty of reasearch on companies that employ foreign drivers to work in the USA for both H2b seasonal work and supposed long term visa/green cards.

The general concensus is that some companies are genuine when it comes to H2b work, such as the harvesting companies, but it is only temporary with absolutely no chance of extension other than a tourist extension.

The people offering green cards or residency for unskilled jobs like truck driving are immigration agents or companies that only want to con people out of money because without actually ringing US immigration myself it is clear as daylight that it’s impossible to achieve, and there’s endless stories from people who have lost thousands through such scams.

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h2b visa it is a temporary visa usually 6 to 8 months it’s quite easy to file an extension if the need for the temporary worker still exists you are all aware there is a shortage of drivers in the US, just go to the truck shows, job fairs and see how much companies are spending on recruitment
Doing greencards as I put it is applying for change of status from h2b to permanent resident and as I stated earlier the some of our drivers have there greencards now or have been issued with there work authorization cards
we also applied for greencards for drivers not in the US and as of now many have passed the I 140 stage and are awaiting there I 485 which is the final step and involves a medical police check etc and finally an interview at there relevant US consulate
the fees I stated are correct for employment based greencards check with ins website
As you all understand this is not an easy process to go through and take usually about 2 years, the owner of our business attended many conferences and seminars to find the legal way and we have a close relationship with immigration lawyers in the states and we are successful in what we do.
As far as drivers not being skilled you are putting your self down anybody who drives a truck knows it takes skill in fact part of obtaining a cdl is a skills test and an eb3 employment based greencard are available if you have at least 2 years artic experience
people will always knock something that they dont understand or cant do themself
propshaft

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You don’t know what you are talking about,the harvest visa is actually an H2A visa NOT an H2B :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation: :confused:

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:unamused: :unamused: :unamused: I never said it wasn’t a skill BUT the federal government did.
There are a few who slip through the system or sneak around it by vague means but few and far between :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

propshaft:
people will always knock something that they dont understand or cant do themself

ErmmmmHELLO if you read above PAT has been there done it and got the T-shirt. and HELLO again so have I :wink: and my good lady too.
Not forgeting BigTruck too (who is correct about the harvest being an A visa) who also possesses the T-shirt :wink:

I have a fairly good understanding first hand of how it works and the requirements / restrictions. I also took the liberty of E-mailing MY immigration attorney in Nevada, who was recommended to me by people in higher places than you could imagine, and she doubts the total legality of your claims based upon the information you have given so far :unamused:

Many large US carriers have tried to recruit drivers from the UK without success. Just look at the number of Russians and Indians etc now driving OTR :unamused: In fact one of the Mods of this forum went over via the MS (now Swift) recruitment drive many years ago when it was a little easier. I believe he and only 3 others made it out of thousands and that was due to having other US links to suppliment there applications. Given the tightening of rules since then I shall stay firm in my opinions :wink:

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Ok Guys,Cat and Pigeons time…:smiley:

Summer 2006 I was on the 2000 Mile Harvest with a shambles in North Dakota,not unknown to Big Truck and others :slight_smile:
Anyhow,that aside,I was on a H2A Visa,issued to the Employer and Validated in that Partnership,thats to say I was only entitled to work in America for the Specified Company.
It was valid from April til December 31st,non transferable by the Company or Me.If I left their employ before the Visa expired then I had 3 or 5 or 10 days (depending on who you listen to ) to Vacate Uncle Sams Back Yard.
A H2A visa is Farming Specific,thats to say that you can only work for an Employer who holds a ‘‘Quota’’ of Harvest visas,issued as Country Specific blocks by the Immigration Mob.In this case our Employer had Visas for UK,Kiwi and South African workers.
If I wanted To work for another Employer it was necessary to re-apply for a subsequent H2A in the name of the new employer and I had to do this in London.
All the above information was given by either the Immy Guys or the Company or its Agent.
I undertook a Drug and Alcohol Test (Mandatory) and was issued with a Social Security Card (standard practice) at which point I could start work.I also undertook theory and Practical Driving tests to obtain a CDL…Commercial Drivers Licence… HGV to you n Me…Endorsed for Doubles,Triples and Air Brakes.The Licence was issued in Grafton,North Dakota.

Still with Me ? sorry if its long winded but its important to set the scene.

OK,so in late September the weather turned wet,I finally got fed up with the crock of zb that the Harvester Company continually fed us as to why we didn’t get paid so I made a couple of phonecalls and got a job out in California driving a Cotton Harvester,the Guy told me that He was approved and Certified by the Immigration Mob to employ Workers on H2A Visa’s.
I Gave a weeks notice,hired a car and took a week to drive the 3300 miles to California.
Rang the new employer for final directions to the Farm,only to be told that ‘‘um,ya know what…I won’t be need’n y’all any more’’…

oops :slight_smile: Big gulps,panic mode…

So,I rang the Agent through whom all the paperwork is processed,He made some calls and sent me to a Contracting outfit in Southern California,driving a truck hauling Silage.Stuck that til the start of December when I pulled the pin and went on the ■■■■ in Cancun for a few weeks.
So this is where the feathers fly…
Fact 1 Once you are out there on a H2A its possible to swap and change as much as you want,although try not to get caught without an employer for more than a couple of weeks, travelling between jobs is fine.
Fact 2 You are entitled to stay in America for the life of the Visa…or Visa’s…not limited to just the one,you can juggle and get another one back-to-back.
Fact 3 By changing Employers and Visas,you can stay for up to 3 years continuously although I understand that the Immy Guys get a bit wound up so its better to go back and forth with the Seasons although after 2 years the Employers,if they so choose,CAN and WILL sponsor your greencard Application.
Fact 4 If you return to America on a H2A Visa for 5 Consecutive Seasons the IMMY Guys will give you a green card.
Fact 5 All Custom Harvest crews run Trucks.Trucks need Steering wheel attendants,People who have experience with Trucks,not Farming or Harvesting.

South African Guys that I worked alongside are still in America,some with the original Employer who also runs a Farm…which is registered ,yes you’ve guessed it, with the Immy mob to hire H2A workers…One Guy has ‘‘moved jobs’’ twice and is now good to stay until Summer 2008.

But I will stress that I only have experience of the H2A Jobby,however as an ex Farmer I am also pretty cute at ‘‘negotiating’’ my way around rules and regulations :slight_smile: and as such I can categorically state that IF you know how the system works IT IS POSSIBLE to get a green card via the ‘‘back door’’.

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:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Like I said "not impossible " just bloody hard work a lot of questionable tooing and froing and the real risk of it going belly up and the “IMMY” guys gettin all over you. Once you are there it is easier to chop and change a little within reason. The failure rate is very high.
With the H2a visa the employers have to put more on the table as regards to guarentees etc. The H2b they don’t as much hence why they are tough to get :wink:
I’d be lying if I said we did everything strictly by the book :smiley: Needs must when you gotta get moving but we also had some “powerful” help and a good lawyer. Not to mention 2 ■■■■ good employers prepared to be as flexible and economical with the truth where appropriate. :wink:
I would say in all honesty that the way you did it would appear to be the most feasible. Far more so than the con artists :unamused: :laughing: :wink:

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montana man:
:lol: :laughing: :laughing: Like I said "not impossible " just bloody hard work a lot of questionable tooing and froing and the real risk of it going belly up and the “IMMY” guys gettin all over you. Once you are there it is easier to chop and change a little within reason. The failure rate is very high.
With the H2a visa the employers have to put more on the table as regards to guarentees etc. The H2b they don’t as much hence why they are tough to get :wink:
I’d be lying if I said we did everything strictly by the book :smiley: Needs must when you gotta get moving but we also had some “powerful” help and a good lawyer. Not to mention 2 ■■■■ good employers prepared to be as flexible and economical with the truth where appropriate. :wink:
I would say in all honesty that the way you did it would appear to be the most feasible. Far more so than the con artists :unamused: :laughing: :wink:

Absolutely,needs must when the Devil drives :slight_smile:)

The cynic in me thinks that anyone who gets sucked into the ‘‘must-have-an-Agent’’ crap with its associated gazillion dollar ‘Fees’ maybe is short of the Gumph that they will need in their new life in the new world

(Gumph,Rhymes with Humph: Ancient Somerset word,literal translation: Basic minimum level of Intelligence needed to avoid a severe shafting ) :sunglasses:

Life aint like the movies,there are Bad People around,all over the world, and they usually survive by preying on people who don’t know better and are quite happy to believe whatever crock of zb they are fed. :cry:

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does andy capp still appear in the tamworth herald,if he is your better off reading him than that advert.

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wurzel99uk,
Did you work for Altendorf harvesting by any chance :question:

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Big Truck:
wurzel99uk,
Did you work for Altendorf harvesting by any chance :question:

Um…I plead the 3rd Amendment to that question… :smiley:

Lets just say that my idea of Man Management : training,encouragement, patience,praise,gentle arse kicking when necessary was at odds with their masterplan…

Bully and Intimidate at all times…

It was great as an experience but maybe not to be repeated,certainly not with them anyhow.although some Guys keep going back to them for reasons beyond me and other returnee’s but newbies to Minto comment that other mobs are in the main far better to work for…They had the use of a vehicle to go to town,they did get paid what was stated in the blurb…and they got their airfare refunded too…

However,for me the experience was pretty much the same in Calif. and Arizona…I was shafted on Wages,continually got pulled on the weighscales for Truck infringements (CHiP’s…don’t you just love 'em ) and had my Drug n Alky tests done whilst getting a lift to Pheonix to catch a plane at the end of the Job !!!

As a Mature Bloke I guess I was always on a loser anyhow,no matter how much I kept my head down there was always an edge to the younger Guys who were running the show,one told me that He felt intimidated around me after realising that I had probably forgotten more about Combines,Truckdriving and Life in general that He had ever known although I deliberately avoided responsibility or adding my tuppenceworth to a debate on,for instance,how to get 38 feets worth of Header through a 30 foot hole when tracking Combines on the Highway…A proper Harry Enfield moment that was…‘’ you’re ‘aving a laugh’’

The other blokes on the crew made it worthwhile though,still keep in touch with some and I went to stay in CapeTown for a few weeks with a couple of SA Guys…

Oh,we also had a lunatic relative of yours kicking around for a while too…He was a right handful mostly…tell him to check his emails pls and get back to me…I fancy a trip to the IOM :smiley: