weeto:
Like drivers, the vehicle owners won’t stick together to get a good deal for the whole industry, they are as much to blame for the situation its in as us as drivers are.
Rate cutting to get a poorly paid contract doesn’t help anyone.
The only thing that will help this industry as a whole is for the rates employers are getting being increased, more profit = more money available to pay drivers a better wage with better working conditions.
Dont believe it? spend a £1 and get a copy of your companies accounts and be suprised by the lack of profit they are making on the massive turn over they are declaring.
I did this once, before I asked for a pay rise, knowing they were struggling, just to see what they would say, and they were honest and said they couldnt afford to pay any more.
Profit goes towards investment in the company, with no investment there’s no future.
I’ve seen accounts for a haulage company which had a £15 million turnover return only £80,000 profit, not much money left there to give 100 staff a wage rise.
do you want a cartel?
do you shop around at renewal time for your car insurance?
weeto:
Like drivers, the vehicle owners won’t stick together to get a good deal for the whole industry, they are as much to blame for the situation its in as us as drivers are.
Rate cutting to get a poorly paid contract doesn’t help anyone.
The only thing that will help this industry as a whole is for the rates employers are getting being increased, more profit = more money available to pay drivers a better wage with better working conditions.
Dont believe it? spend a £1 and get a copy of your companies accounts and be suprised by the lack of profit they are making on the massive turn over they are declaring.
I did this once, before I asked for a pay rise, knowing they were struggling, just to see what they would say, and they were honest and said they couldnt afford to pay any more.
Profit goes towards investment in the company, with no investment there’s no future.
I’ve seen accounts for a haulage company which had a £15 million turnover return only £80,000 profit, not much money left there to give 100 staff a wage rise.
do you want a cartel?
do you shop around at renewal time for your car insurance?
Shall we all just carry on moaning about crap wages.
do you shop around at renewal time for your car insurance?
The idea of ring fencing a set figure in costings and pricing quotes,so that wages are isolated from the competitive tendering process and therefore aren’t compromised by undercutting,isn’t the same thing as a cartel.
weeto:
Like drivers, the vehicle owners won’t stick together to get a good deal for the whole industry, they are as much to blame for the situation its in as us as drivers are.
Rate cutting to get a poorly paid contract doesn’t help anyone.
The only thing that will help this industry as a whole is for the rates employers are getting being increased, more profit = more money available to pay drivers a better wage with better working conditions.
Dont believe it? spend a £1 and get a copy of your companies accounts and be suprised by the lack of profit they are making on the massive turn over they are declaring.
I did this once, before I asked for a pay rise, knowing they were struggling, just to see what they would say, and they were honest and said they couldnt afford to pay any more.
Profit goes towards investment in the company, with no investment there’s no future.
I’ve seen accounts for a haulage company which had a £15 million turnover return only £80,000 profit, not much money left there to give 100 staff a wage rise.
do you want a cartel?
do you shop around at renewal time for your car insurance?
Shall we all just carry on moaning about crap wages.
so, do you want a cartel?
and do you shop around at insurance renewal times?
do you shop around at renewal time for your car insurance?
The idea of ring fencing a set figure in costings and pricing quotes,so that wages are isolated from the competitive tendering process and therefore aren’t compromised by undercutting,isn’t the same thing as a cartel.
weeto:
Like drivers, the vehicle owners won’t stick together to get a good deal for the whole industry, they are as much to blame for the situation its in as us as drivers are.
Rate cutting to get a poorly paid contract doesn’t help anyone.
The only thing that will help this industry as a whole is for the rates employers are getting being increased, more profit = more money available to pay drivers a better wage with better working conditions.
Dont believe it? spend a £1 and get a copy of your companies accounts and be suprised by the lack of profit they are making on the massive turn over they are declaring.
I did this once, before I asked for a pay rise, knowing they were struggling, just to see what they would say, and they were honest and said they couldnt afford to pay any more.
Profit goes towards investment in the company, with no investment there’s no future.
I’ve seen accounts for a haulage company which had a £15 million turnover return only £80,000 profit, not much money left there to give 100 staff a wage rise.
do you want a cartel?
do you shop around at renewal time for your car insurance?
Shall we all just carry on moaning about crap wages.
so, do you want a cartel?
and do you shop around at insurance renewal times?
answer me and i’ll answer you!!
The first one is down to the employer, he should be quoting realisticly for the work, not accepting a backload for less than the cost of the diesel to bring it back, so costing him money to do the job, and directly affecting a drivers crap wage just to keep the vehicle rolling.
The second is irrelavent.
weeto:
Like drivers, the vehicle owners won’t stick together to get a good deal for the whole industry, they are as much to blame for the situation its in as us as drivers are.
Rate cutting to get a poorly paid contract doesn’t help anyone.
The only thing that will help this industry as a whole is for the rates employers are getting being increased, more profit = more money available to pay drivers a better wage with better working conditions.
Dont believe it? spend a £1 and get a copy of your companies accounts and be suprised by the lack of profit they are making on the massive turn over they are declaring.
I did this once, before I asked for a pay rise, knowing they were struggling, just to see what they would say, and they were honest and said they couldnt afford to pay any more.
Profit goes towards investment in the company, with no investment there’s no future.
I’ve seen accounts for a haulage company which had a £15 million turnover return only £80,000 profit, not much money left there to give 100 staff a wage rise.
do you want a cartel?
do you shop around at renewal time for your car insurance?
Shall we all just carry on moaning about crap wages.
so, do you want a cartel?
and do you shop around at insurance renewal times?
answer me and i’ll answer you!!
The first one is down to the employer, he should be quoting realisticly for the work, not accepting a backload for less than the cost of the diesel to bring it back, so costing him money to do the job, and directly affecting a drivers crap wage just to keep the vehicle rolling.
The second is irrelavent.
sometimes the easiest questions are the hardest to answer no worries fella
Carryfast:
The idea of ring fencing a set figure in costings and pricing quotes,so that wages are isolated from the competitive tendering process and therefore aren’t compromised by undercutting,isn’t the same thing as a cartel.
Which effectively is the situation that such an agreement creates.IE they can’t undercut each other on wage rates.They can only create any competitive edge,if any,between each other in other ways.
Carryfast:
The idea of ring fencing a set figure in costings and pricing quotes,so that wages are isolated from the competitive tendering process and therefore aren’t compromised by undercutting,isn’t the same thing as a cartel.
Which effectively is the situation that such an agreement creates.IE they can’t undercut each other on wage rates.They can only create any competitive edge,if any,between each other in other ways.
plenty of people on here forget or simply don’t get it, that businesses are in competition with each other. each with their own strategies on different aspects of their business, wages, some pay high to pick and choose who works for them, have a queue of people wanting to work for them, have a low turnover of staff etc, some pay low in an attempt to save money but have to put up with the problems that brings and most pay somewhere in the middle.
how many people go on about rate cutters, but i never get many answers when i ask if people use comparison sites and shop around at insurance renewal time etc, you can’t have it both ways
competition breeds efficiency, isn’t that what we want from companies we’re buying from?
stevieboy308:
plenty of people on here forget or simply don’t get it, that businesses are in competition with each other. each with their own strategies on different aspects of their business, wages, some pay high to pick and choose who works for them, have a queue of people wanting to work for them, have a low turnover of staff etc, some pay low in an attempt to save money but have to put up with the problems that brings and most pay somewhere in the middle.
how many people go on about rate cutters, but i never get many answers when i ask if people use comparison sites and shop around at insurance renewal time etc, you can’t have it both ways
competition breeds efficiency, isn’t that what we want from companies we’re buying from?
If/when that so called ‘efficiency’ is obtained at the expense of workers’ incomes and therefore spending power and living standards across the economy,no that isn’t what anyone should want from companies that they are buying from.Especially when those so called ‘efficiencies’ often just mean that the company ‘owners’ don’t reflect the 'efficiencies in question in lower prices but just add the savings to their own already inflated incomes.Or even more especially when it is obvious that those ‘efficiencies’ are also taking the economy into a return to the 1930’s in real terms from the point of view of the working class.While at best assuming a low wage low price downward spiral that is called deflation.Which if/when added to the inevitable scenario of a 1930’s type crash caused by lack of spending power would/will really show where the idea of Thatcherism leads to.
Going back to the OP it is an interesting read. Are there really that many drivers on minimum wage? I know I’ve never worked for it in my driving career, or worked anywhere they paid minimum wage to any driver.
I find the “we need minimum standards” bit laughable, I though we already had them & they would do something about it.
stevieboy308:
What is so called about efficiency? It’s like you don’t believe it exists!! Efficiently doesn’t mean low wages
The type of ‘efficiency’ which you are obviously describing certainly is all about the idea of including wage rates in the competition process.If that isn’t the case then you would have no objections to a union bargaining position which excludes wages from being part of that process.
As I said any type of ‘efficiency’ that is based on under cutting wages is not a real ‘efficiency’ at all because it actually just damages the economy as a whole.
BillyHunt:
Going back to the OP it is an interesting read. Are there really that many drivers on minimum wage? I know I’ve never worked for it in my driving career, or worked anywhere they paid minimum wage to any driver.
I find the “we need minimum standards” bit laughable, I though we already had them & they would do something about it.
The issue is that in an oversupplied labour market,in which wage levels are included in the competitive tendering process,there is ever less ‘reason’ to pay more than minimum wage.
The rate the minimum wage is set at is far too low and always has been, it was designed as a safety net so employers couldn’t pay less than that, but the reality being that most decided to pay rates a small amount pence not pounds above it, or no more than the min wage, this min wage needs to be at least £8-10 per hr
This government is trying to hoodwink us in to believing that unemployment is down saving the taxpayer money , but in reality they aren’t doing this, most of those who are in low paid employment are able to claim WTC’s and some other benefits in some circumstances , as for the number of unemployed dropping ,this is bs, because there are lots of people who have been sanctioned or are attending the mandatory work fare schemes or are in part time work but still claiming benefits , all they have done is manipulated the figures just as thatcher did with lots of ,middle aged workers who where made redundant after big industries shut up shop , they where on the dole, but they where lured on to the sickness benefits so she could claim the same bs about them cutting unemployment
I doubt ukip would make much of a difference if elected in may, they seems to be too much like what we have in power now,a tory government in all but name, coalition my arse
Driver makes a mistake- you get sacked end of. This is because employers know they can do this because they can get 50 blokes in the next day. It doesn’t matter if you are a good driver or bloke or bloke-ess. Is absolutely a disgrace that decent people are treated so badly and the union and society have let it happen. Work like a trouper,help other folk then get fobbed off without a second glance.“I’m alright jack” has well and truly taken over
As I have said before with m&s contract that have dropped hourly rate to £7.50 an hour artic,no overtime or extras, you tell me what the hell is goin on. Please don’t tell me to “get another job” cos that won’t cut it.
BillyHunt:
Going back to the OP it is an interesting read. Are there really that many drivers on minimum wage? I know I’ve never worked for it in my driving career, or worked anywhere they paid minimum wage to any driver.
I find the “we need minimum standards” bit laughable, I though we already had them & they would do something about it.
The issue is that in an oversupplied labour market,in which wage levels are included in the competitive tendering process,there is ever less ‘reason’ to pay more than minimum wage.
Is that a yes or no to the question posed? The issue, as I see it, is what do you think you are worth? If you’re happy to work for minimum wage then crack on, I’m not. Consequently I don’t entertain jobs offering that. If more drivers adopted that attitude and refused to work for peanuts then maybe companies would end up having to offer more.
Carryfast:
The issue is that in an oversupplied labour market,in which wage levels are included in the competitive tendering process,there is ever less ‘reason’ to pay more than minimum wage.
Is that a yes or no to the question posed? The issue, as I see it, is what do you think you are worth? If you’re happy to work for minimum wage then crack on, I’m not. Consequently I don’t entertain jobs offering that. If more drivers adopted that attitude and refused to work for peanuts then maybe companies would end up having to offer more.
The answer to the question would obviously be wether anyone is only interested in the present not their future and is overlooking the point that wage levels are too low regardless of the minimum age which is just a pointless unrealistic lowest of the low level to base anything on anyway.
By that standard most people in the working class are being paid less than a decent wage which covers living costs,tax requirements,and sufficient disposable income to keep the economy moving.While as I’ve said,in the case of the road transport industry,that issue is the worst possible example of being in the perfect storm of a government transport policy which wants to cut jobs in the industry,while at the same time being subject to the full force of immigration based over supply of labour.In which case it is anyone’s guess how you translate all that as being able to dictate terms as to ‘what you are worth’.
no worries fella