desypete:
at long last a party that really is putting the people first in this country. excellent policys in that line up i would urge anyone to have a quick read
They’re policies, nothing but. I could write a policy that on Saturday night I’m going to get round to Cheryl Cole’s house to see how she’s doing but it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
Nothing more than populist pandering to people like you. How’s the job search going?
Winseer:
‘…UKIP … do well … a small chance Cameron might get … majority, and … can’t blame a coalition partner any more… Milliband could still get in … “Vote UKIP - get milliband” …’
Please excuse my crude paraphrasing, matey 
But, in anticipation of a possible/likey Labour majority I’m currently trying hard to care care less at Milli-Wallace being the Brussels’ sponsored, UK Zone Prime Muppet.
Why? Because it would perfectly polarise the inevitable and much overdue democratic argument that has thus far been brushed aside by all pro-EU, uber-liberals of:
European Federalism actually being the UK’s choice of governance via the Lib/Lab/Green/Con (ie., all cheeks of the same ■■■■) route 
vs.
The UK bidding to realistically re-achieve World equality status of self determination with other World nations in addition to any willing element of, eg.,The EU, as the contrived, multi-state, too ■■■■■■■■■■■ un-representative, communist & choking entity that it is 
Our UK genetric heritage, our UK bedrock of nationhood, our UK underdog spirit and renowned UK humility to doubtless accept a viable, working & effective version of the DCPC deserves nothing less than the latter - but if it takes another four years, then I’ll simply wait 
Olog Hai:
‘… I could write a policy that on Saturday night I’m going to get round to Cheryl Cole’s house to see how she’s doing but it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen…’
That’s a hormonally driven ambition, not a political policy needed other than for thirty seconds of trouser based urge by a mischievous driver traipsing into dreamland to create a sad, embarrassed queue with a few other vague, has-been and kindred key-board & couch bound, misfit dreamers of folk-■■■■ 
I’m proud for both my Mum and my neighbours to know my preference of a practical political policy, but could a school-gate pest, sorry, “Cheryl Cole advocate” say likewise without hiding his catch-rag first - before beginning to argue what on Earth she can do for the DCPC?
Unless you’re having a laugh 
Happy Keith:
Olog Hai:
‘… I could write a policy that on Saturday night I’m going to get round to Cheryl Cole’s house to see how she’s doing but it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen…’That’s a hormonally driven ambition, not a political policy needed other than for thirty seconds of trouser based urge by a mischievous driver traipsing into dreamland to create a sad, embarrassed queue with a few other vague, has-been and kindred key-board & couch bound, misfit dreamers of folk-■■■■
I’m proud for both my Mum and my neighbours to know my preference of a practical political policy, but could a school-gate pest, sorry, “Cheryl Cole advocate” say likewise without hiding his catch-rag first - before beginning to argue what on Earth she can do for the DCPC?
Unless you’re having a laugh
You, and perhaps Winseer, are the only people I can think of who could ever come up with that kind of meandering babbling. However I consider myself honoured that you of all people (really, of all people) use the term ‘vague, has-beed and kindred key-board & couch bound misfit dreamers’.
On another planet. Really.
Olog Hai:
‘… You, and perhaps Winseer, are the only people I can think of …’
Myopic too …bless
Happy Keith:
Olog Hai:
‘… You, and perhaps Winseer, are the only people I can think of …’Myopic too …bless
Selective quoting is not big and certainly not clever.
Olog Hai:
Happy Keith:
Olog Hai:
‘… You, and perhaps Winseer, are the only people I can think of …’Myopic too …bless
Selective quoting is not big and certainly not clever.
Relax man, that & flowery BS is what he does best.
Olog Hai:
Happy Keith:
Olog Hai:
‘… I could write a policy that on Saturday night I’m going to get round to Cheryl Cole’s house to see how she’s doing but it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen…’That’s a hormonally driven ambition, not a political policy needed other than for thirty seconds of trouser based urge by a mischievous driver traipsing into dreamland to create a sad, embarrassed queue with a few other vague, has-been and kindred key-board & couch bound, misfit dreamers of folk-■■■■
I’m proud for both my Mum and my neighbours to know my preference of a practical political policy, but could a school-gate pest, sorry, “Cheryl Cole advocate” say likewise without hiding his catch-rag first - before beginning to argue what on Earth she can do for the DCPC?
Unless you’re having a laugh
You, and perhaps Winseer, are the only people I can think of who could ever come up with that kind of meandering babbling. However I consider myself honoured that you of all people (really, of all people) use the term ‘vague, has-beed and kindred key-board & couch bound misfit dreamers’.
On another planet. Really.
To those without thought, we might indeed sound as if “babbling”. Politicians are basing their lives on a “liars” lifestyle. Who gets elected is all about “who can tell the best, most believable lie” therefore.
Those who can’t be arsed to think - will mindlessly listen to what their peers say, and act accordingly. The malcontents, which perhaps myself and Happykeith represent - will be forming our own mind for our own reasons.
Of course, it’s always been hard for the reletive few “thinkers” in the country to put up with the unending ■■■■■■■■ of being out-voted on election day by whoever believes what we’ll call the “majority backed” liar.
In any party, there are “better” and “worse” politicians. Who’s leader at any given moment might swing which way I’d vote. With the advent of UKIP - we seem to have a bunch of ex-Tory types who were not listened to as former Tory back-benchers, and can be viewed as perhaps the “malcontents” of the house of commons.
I would really like this country to get away from “negative” politics, where we are supposed to vote Conservative because we’re supposed to believe Cameron’s version of lies, with perhaps the biggest being that UKIP are some kind of “send 'em all to the gas chamber” genocidal maniac party like the Nazis turned out to be.
No one in UKIP has harmed anyone I know, both directly and indirectly.
Cabinet ministers past and present however, from all THREE of the main parties - have at some point in the last 7 years in particular - f—ed over a number of my friends and family in ways that range from “leaving to die on hospital stretchers” to “robbing them of their life savings by stealth”. ALL can be blamed directly upon the implementation of public-hostile policies by those ministers - which as I said, range across all three parties here.
I’ll NOT believe therefore any lies told about UKIP - not while those incumbent liars go unpunished - at least at the polls.
Perhaps these very nasties fear the advent of a UKIP government might one day “punish” the offenders with a lot more than merely an election defeat, and loss of a “safe seat”…
Ukip will scrap the Driver CPC if it comes to power next year, the party’s transport spokeswoman has pledged.
Speaking at Ukip’s conference in Doncaster last month, MEP Jill Seymour set out the party’s position when she said of the Driver CPC: “It is a menace. It’s expensive, it’s over-complicated and it’s causing many truck or bus drivers either to lose their jobs or to take early retirement.”
She added: “We see no reason for drivers to undertake this unnecessary and expensive course.”
Seymour said the Driver CPC was to blame for “the shortage of professional drivers in an industry that is struggling to get back on its feet”.
Full article HERE in Commercial Motor
Given the first line of the “promise” it looks like it will be here for quite some time. Even the most one eyed ukip voter, and there are a few on here, would believe they could come to power next year.
As for her comments re DCPC. It’s hardly a menace, a nuisance maybe but it never scared me.
Expensive, not for those that didn’t have to pay for it, eh HK
Over complicated! For a politician maybe but chatting about driving was a doddle I thought.
How many lost their jobs because of it? The older drivers jacked but that freed up places for other, younger, drivers
Funny she doesn’t mention it being responsible for driving up pay.
Olog Hai:
desypete:
at long last a party that really is putting the people first in this country. excellent policys in that line up i would urge anyone to have a quick readThey’re policies, nothing but. I could write a policy that on Saturday night I’m going to get round to Cheryl Cole’s house to see how she’s doing but it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
Nothing more than populist pandering to people like you. How’s the job search going?
i doubt very much if you could drive an artic that has gears let alone get around the country without a sat nav , so i really dont think you could come up with policies that would help anyone other than yourself.
i am alright jack would be your policy.
You might not like it but he’s correct, they can promise anything knowing full well they don’t have to produce. You might aswell read & believe the LibDem manifesto, who by the way, will still get more MPs than ukip.
BillyHunt:
You might not like it but he’s correct, they can promise anything knowing full well they don’t have to produce. You might aswell read & believe the LibDem manifesto, who by the way, will still get more MPs than ukip.
+1
However this may help
BillyHunt:
‘…re DCPC. It’s hardly a menace, a nuisance maybe but it never scared me.
Expensive, not for those that didn’t have to pay for it, eh HK…’
In financial terms you are correct
However, the ill-conceived, inapproriate, time-expensive and inefficient DCPC of which the Lib/Lab/Green/Con’s all approve cost me having to work compulsory overtime and is 35 hours of repeated egg-sucking that I’ll never recover
Thus, (but unlike some?) I have a life beyond this keyboard & assorted steering wheels - so the DCPC definately was a menace
In line with the EU approved, "…Hyuman Rights …" regime, I’ve an idea to research claiming compo 
Also, maybe re-think the patronising brush aside that the DCPC diktat was a ‘…nuisance…’ as if the lemming farmers in the EU know best - or I’ll Top Trump it with an “Ooooh, so too was Hitler a Europe-wide nuisance” suggestion
Happy Keith:
“Ooooh, so too was Hitler a Europe-wide nuisance”.
Well I have heard him described as “misunderstood” and as “having a sound idea poorly put into practice”
BillyHunt:
Happy Keith:
“Ooooh, so too was Hitler a Europe-wide nuisance”.Well I have heard him described as “misunderstood” and as “having a sound idea poorly put into practice”
Bankers, business leaders & politicans screwed over the general public in the Pre-Hitler days of 1920’s Germany.
People died, Millions found themselves without a job, Savings were wiped out from the middle classes. Sound familiar?
It might well be the case that Bankers, Business leaders, and lack of health & justice in this country might lead to a new “dawn of the right”.
Farage isn’t Hitler though. Not even close. If he were, he’d be pushing an anti-semitic agenda, seeing as so many of them run those areas of establishment that we love to hate now as back in 1920’s Germany. Hitler didn’t persecute immigrants - he persecuted those already up and running in the country, that due to their own efficiency - didn’t go down the toilet when the great bust came, thus fuelling further public resentment which Hitler duly cashed in on. Cameron & Osbourne show us time and time again that “old Etonians don’t know crap” about the general public. What did they do of any note before they became politicians? How about Milliband? At least Cleggy can tout his language skills, being the europhile that he is. Farage? Worked in the city rather than gets his ■■■■ licked by it…
The big issues the public want dealing with go way closer than Europe and immigration.
Hands up who doesn’t want their old folks to die an undignified death, deprived of expensive treatments merely to “save money” or “charged £600+ a week” for carers that’ll kick your head in as soon as give you a bed bath… The NHS has turned into a monster - and it now needs a Giant Killer to get in there and sort it out. NO politician outside UKIP has spoken of “putting a scythe through the NHS top down” to get rid of all those white collar non-medical staff who try and put a cost on something that is only that expensive in the first place because of THEIR worthless & overpaid jobs and the daft notion that a private sector pharmacutical industry rocks - it needs to be nationalised! Why can’t government be in charge of R&D again?
Sure, we’d become more like the Western United States if we follow this model - but do you really think the average San Franciscan is worse off than the average City dweller in this country?
Today’s NHS staff are in there more often for the cushy T&Cs than they are there “Because they care”.
Today’s craver of a full time job in the transport industry too - increasingly care for the “sick pay” and “how much holiday do I get” instead of thinking “Well, what can I do for this company to make it more of a place to be proud to work for?”
If I were a transport interviewer - I’d show the door to any candidate asking me about sick pay instead of overtime rates!
What kind of attitude has someone got looking to go sick the moment they get enlisted into a new job FFS? 
If companies had a proper sick policy - you’d not get people sacked for ending up in hospital, and allowed to “throw sickies” 3 times a year without ill effect (no pun intended)
Then there’s ATOS… Don’t get me started on these plonkers, once again alarmingly overpopulated by docs that can best be described as “the rubbers of shiny heads”…
Do we all know of some collegue who was ‘returned’ to work “before mainstream medically advised to” - only to die on the job shortly after… ATOS :1: Employee :0: might be as common as broken toilet seats and no bog rolls…
Milliband wants to “put a stop to zero hours contracts”… Well, that’s me out of work then! - There won’t be a full time job created just for lil’ ol’ me just to compensate me for losing the contract type that is now my livelihood!
Then there’s Cleggy - who wants my high-IQ firstborn to pay to get a degree, all pretence at Meritocracy abandoned by successive governments across my own lifetime. 
Indeed, one might argue that same exclusion from mainstream academica has put me with the ranks instead of already in the house of commons, kicking some arse… My life that could have been - but wasn’t.
I’d have even voted Labour over the years - if it’s politicians had been, on the whole, smart kids brought up in humble surroundings, rather than merely having a “union” or “communist leaning” background.
desypete:
i doubt very much if you could drive an artic that has gears let alone get around the country without a sat nav , so i really dont think you could come up with policies that would help anyone other than yourself.i am alright jack would be your policy.
I don’t need to come up with any ‘policies’, Pete, because I’m not a politician. Thought that would be obvious even to the crazy brigade?
In any case, given your one-man stand against the DCPC I think it’s fair to say that you too are unable to drive a lorry around the country either, regardless of whether it has gears or not (they normally do, by the way). How is the job hunting going, on that topic? Good? Or are you sat happily on the dole claiming a portion of the taxes I pay through actually working for a living as benefits?
Olog Hai:
desypete:
‘… i really dont think you could come up with policies that would help anyone other than yourself…’‘…I don’t need to come up with any ‘policies’ … because I’m not a politician … given your one-man stand against the DCPC…’
Oi, Holag (Mr Memory Loss?), I loathe the DCPC too, mate - so don’t engage the EU tactic of sweeping reasonable objectors to their diktats under the carpet like they try to
The cat of truth for the UK is emerging from the Brussels bag of federal treachery - and plenty of us are behind its endeavour for freedom from ill considered nonsense such as the DCPC
The idea that Truckers should have a recognised qualification was sound - until rubbished away by the “ease at which it’s been given to those not suitable”.
If you don’t know your way around British roads, can’t read the roadsigns properly, can hardly speak English, might have objections to handling swine meat products, or have a licence/experience of unverifiable type - WHY exactly should you be given equal footing to a driver with years of experience, who struggles to get a full time job or even a well-paid on on agency - merely because the workplace is crowded out with Johnny Foreigners and even those already here that despise the traditional British way of life?
The “slip it up my bum” way the DCPC has currently been introduced - means essentially We’ve all been had here.
Now it’s “in” though, I still reckon our best bet would be to “modify” it so that it becomes the pulled up drawbridge for outsiders that it could have been. 
Happy Keith:
Oi, Holag (Mr Memory Loss?), I loathe the DCPC too, mate - so don’t engage the EU tactic of sweeping reasonable objectors to their diktats under the carpet like they try toThe cat of truth for the UK is emerging from the Brussels bag of federal treachery - and plenty of us are behind its endeavour for freedom from ill considered nonsense such as the DCPC
I’ve told you once Keith and I’ll tell you again. Selective quoting isn’t clever, it makes you look a ■■■■, and you most certainly are not ‘reasonable’.
I mentioned Pete’s one-man stand against the DCPC, as in he had actually done something to protest. What have you done about it that involves proper, tangible action? In fact, what have you actually got off your arse and done about any of the EU-related things you ceaselessly whine about like an obsessive loon?
Moaning on here doesn’t count, BTW…