UKIP and DCPC

Lorn trakta:
Nothing at all personal but the ‘slackbladder’ and ‘rhythm thief’ type of citizens travel through life from their birthing room to their final resting places by the expediency of their acquired intelligence, installed into their empty skulls entirely by state curricula, anything outside their state programming is viewed with suspicion and treated as subversive and considered to be the thoughts of dissidents, they and their ilk have been informed they are freeborn and free thinking homo sapiens.

Etc. etc.

:laughing: Sorry, but I’ve seldom read a less accurate description of me and how I think. I’ve no time for the mainstream parties either, to be honest. They’re all - well, there are maybe a few noble exceptions - in it for what they can get out of it, and that includes Farage, Clegg, Cameron, Blair, Enoch Powell, David Lloyd George and most others you care to name. I haven’t ever been a newspaper reader, certainly not to the extent of buying one particular one on a regular basis (not even The Guardian, before you ask), my contact with the “state broadcaster” is limited to occasionally catching the news on Radio 4 and my education took place in nine different educational establishments in five different countries. You’re right about one thing though … it did teach me to think for myself. That’s the benefit of an education, you see, as opposed to the training which passes for education nowadays.
My problem with UKIP is not that they’re subversive or anti - establishment or “dissidents”, it’s that they aren’t but they pretend to be, and the easily impressed and hard of understanding are taken in by it all and swept along. Until Farage wins an election (which he won’t), this will not become apparent to most, which suits everyone just fine. Those convinced that Farage represents a Brave New World in British politics can vote for him and feel smug about it, the likes of me can sneer down our noses from our lofty pedestals - apparently - and the mainstream parties can carry on doing much as they’ve always done while everyone is distracted by what a great working class bloke Nige is. I’ve said elsewhere in this thread that I don’t deny that we could do with an alternative to our democracy - which - isn’t - a - democracy (it’s an oligarchy, a carefully constructed and disguised oligarchy, but an oligarchy nonetheless), but Farage and UKIP aren’t it.

It’s no good, I’ve tried to reply to a few of these comments but I’m currently blocked until passed on the whim of the moderators, my heinous crime was to call someone a name apparently. To that end they choose which replies to print. So, sod this I won’t be back.
Mmm wonder if this will get through. My guess is not.

I should also add, in the interests of transparency, that UKIP are a little too far to the right for my taste.

Rhythm Thief:
I should also add, in the interests of transparency, that UKIP are a little too far to the right for my taste.

If anything they are left wing, they are the only party which are proposing changes which will benefit people such as us, every other party is totally in support of mass immigration, the only effect of which is to drive down wages for the working class for the benefit of the landowner/ factory owner/ rentier class.

Farage is right when he says that the chattering classes do not understand the effect that mass immigration is having on working people. Go down to Dover docks any day of the week and watch all of the eastern European trucks getting on and off of the ferries. Then drive around east Kent looking at the closed down yards which used to be home to thriving international hauliers.

To be honest, I consider you to be one of the more intelligent posters on TruckNet, but you do seem to be a bit “right on” with your views on immigration, UKIP etc. Ask yourself how the UK has changed over the last 10 years, and whether working people will benefit from another 10 years of it.

I personally predict that UKIP will make massive gains in the European elections, and even more gains in next year’s General Election, and will continue to progress until Lib/Lab/Con start to listen to the man on the street, rather than denouncing him as “racist”.

Nice one, Harry!

RT - You are very clearly a person of solid intelligence, but I do honestly think that even your well-measured self might just be overestimating UKIPs potential voters opinions and image of Farage. I seriously doubt that anybody sees him as “Mr wonderful”, and certainly not a working class bloke.
I am (dare I say “we are?”) not (by an uncomfortable margin) spotty newcomers to the electoral game, and are not under any illusions concerning the largely duplicitous nature of those who choose to pursue a career in politics.
I just think that a significant percentage of the electorate have finally reached the end of their tethers as regards being sold down the river by our supposed parliamentary representatives. If a credible party arose to challenge UKIP, I would seriously appraise their merits too, as I really dont believe for one second that they are some kind of miracle panacea. In these problematic times, I dont think it matters what their chosen image strategy is, or even how realistically unattainable their promises are, as long as they create enough waves in the millpond to re-kindle people`s jaded belief that they CAN vote for a change of direction.

We just need a catalyst as a kickstart mechanism.

To those who dismiss Farage out of hand as a “more of the same” politician - this pre-emptive kangaroo court mentality is pure conjecture, and cannot really carry any weight, as he has not been put to the test - unlike the other parties, who have all consistently demonstrated this in recent decades.

I’m not really a supporter of UKIP, but I think we need them to kick arse, and to be honest no party for the ordinary working person (proper socialist) will ever get a fair press from our right wing media, so will never get mass public support that UKIP seem to have got.

This alienation from political classes, who seem to be allowing mass migration across EU borders isn’t just a problem in the UK, I have friends from across Europe and in the richer (old EU) Countries, there is a lot of animosity over mass labour migration. If all these politicians don’t start to listen I think there could be civil unrest in some of those countries.

To my mind most politicians like to talk about listening to the population, but they are really listening to those with the real power. that’s big business and the banking industry. These are their people, they fund them get them into power and anyway they all come from the same schools and backgrounds.

No problem when it’s the Tory party, but the Labour party, the party that was supposed to represent us, that was formed from the blood of the working man and whose first MP’s were self taught men who’d dragged themselves from the streets, is now another bunch of suits from a privileged background. What do they know of our lives?

Rhythm Thief:
‘…UKIP are a little too far to the right for my taste…’

That’s an out-dated polarisation, mate

:bulb: Please consider today’s, 2014 Big Picture

Fact: The mainstream three ‘…cheeks of the same arse…’ have nothing of substance between them since any effective power to delineate themselves is throttled by their manifested subordination to Brussels by whose legislation the UK is due to be ruled over ad finitum.

That effectively homogenises every meaningful ‘single issue’ out there :cry: - leaving us nowt but old-fashioned, colour coded, geo-political, tribalism led politics.

It means that the ‘three-cheeks’ philosophy is all about staying subordinate to the EU - or (yawn) until potential promises to possibly ask us about it in 2017 - none of which is good enough.

That aint left or right wing, it’s a denial of meaningful democracy on every level of ‘wing’ that’s ever existed :open_mouth:

Thus, this is all about single issue politics of being in the EU. It’s not left vs right or anything similar - and the only lot willing to get rid of Brussels stranglehold on us & is for the UK governing the UK is Farage’s lot.

And having met the man, I like him too

Spot on Happy Keith.

None of us think Farage wears his underpants on the outside, but he’s the only bugger who speaks for me, in straight languagetoo, ask him a question and (Thatcher like) you get an answer, you might not like the answer but you get one, that i respect, i do not want to be told what i want to hear by people who don’t a have single honest principle or ounce of honour between them.

I’m mr normalish, who like his father and his father before him has worked his socks off and done the right thing as best he can to raise his family and give them a decent life with a modicum of honour about them, only to see college kid charlatans give away our country whilst trousering as much personal booty as they can manage, none more so than the at horrid little twerp Blair (who should along with Bush be facing charges of war crimes at The Hague), and watched sadly as it turned quickly from a green and pleasant land into an overcrowded hell hole, and in the words of Ronny Reagan we aint seen nothing yet, what this once fine country will be in another 50 years i’m only glad i won’t be around to know.

I’d vote for Ghengis Khan, Vlad the Impaler or Lucifer himself if either of them genuinely tried to extracate us from the EU masterstate.

Hello all, I’m new to the forum but after reading this I thought I’d jump in. I just cannot see what you think ukip will achieve, given that they won’t be in a position to make any difference to British politics for some time to come. They won’t be a majority party in this country until 2020 at the very earliest, this is assuming they have any candidates left.
By that time we will have had a referendum on Europe, and could be out anyway, where would that leave ukip? They don’t appear to have any other policy.
It’s ok saying there are too many immigrants here but what would their strategy be to reduce it, round them up and send them back? Including Nigel’s wife.
For the record I vote conservative, always have. Plenty on here don’t like them but they usually have to spend a few years cleaning up after labours efforts to appease the unions.
The country is in massive debt due to their incompetence so you have to make tough choices, they are doing that and, slowly, we are getting back on track. I just find it hard to complain about them when I’ve paid off the mortgage 6 years early, have a couple of long haul holidays a year & have just bought a new Lexus. Not bad for 39 hrs a week.
I can see the appeal of ukip to the jaded but, come on, name a couple more of their policies other than “we will get us out of Europe”

BillyHunt:
Hello all, I’m new to the forum but after reading this I thought I’d jump in. I just cannot see what you think ukip will achieve, given that they won’t be in a position to make any difference to British politics for some time to come. They won’t be a majority party in this country until 2020 at the very earliest, this is assuming they have any candidates left.
By that time we will have had a referendum on Europe, and could be out anyway, where would that leave ukip? They don’t appear to have any other policy.

Without UKIP constantly banging on about the EU issue and gaining significant support from it at the expense of LibLabCon, would their really be a serious debate about Europe happening? I have my doubts and I think it’d be naive to think a referendum would really happen in 2017 without a continued strong UKIP influence. Call me cynical but I doubt LibLabCon will ever offer an EU referendum regardless.

It would appear Conservative Central Office’s spybot has piped up having spotted a UKIP thread, so welcome to The Conservative Party spokesperson Billy Hunt.

I refer the Rht Honourable Member for Lexus Holidays, that we don’t actually believe you any more, its taken long enough though, your people and the other two cheeks of the same arse party have told us your last lie, the Cast Iron Guarantee from comrade Dave prior to the last election was the straw that broke the camels back, or putting it another way the Boy Dave cried ‘‘wolf’’ just once too often.

I’ll let you into a secret, i’m a natural conservative, i believe in law and order and free enterprise, i was fortunate enough to go to an unusual school where honour truth and standing on your own two feet were not taught, but shown, our masters and unfortunately (for they were lovely) few mistresses were gentlemen and ladies, who tried their damndest to knock some semblance of old England into their charges.

So from an early age, people like us who are the working backbone of the country naturally respected their elders and betters, and those elected to teach and represent them.

Unfortunately we turned out to be a bit thick, because its taken bloody years of being lied to, taken advantage of, having our once fine country overrun…without a bloody shot fired in defence…and whilst all this has been going on, we’ve watched out elected representatives rubbing each others backs, stealing the national wealth, giving away for camouflaged gain or openly selling the very soil that we stand on.

Not forgetting the millions of good men and women who lie in graves, marked and unmarked, years before their time, defending the freedoms of this once fine country…in order for people like you to boast of petty gains such as a new Japanese car and long haul flights.

Jesus wept, the whole charade could drive a good man to drink.

When talking figures, would the Rht Hon Gentleman care to quote the current national debt, and then check what the figure was when the equally untrustworthy Nu Lab faction of the three cheek party left office.

That’s quite eloquent in its way, well done. Total pish of course but hey, don’t let any home truths get in the way of a good winge.
Do you all really think that ukip would be fit to run this country? That’s what it boils down to. Personally I shudder to think what kind of mess we would be in with those people in charge. Couldn’t do any worse you all cry! Oh I think they could. They are nothing more than the bnp in different suits, the acceptable face if you will. As a matter of interest, who did you all vote for before this latest band to lead us to the promised land turned up.
Still not had any more ukip policies though, but the car is a beauty btw.

BillyHunt:
They are nothing more than the bnp in different suits, the acceptable face if you will.

Now it’s my turn to let you in to a secret. Playing the “racist” card isn’t going to work this time around.

My own constituency will almost certainly go to UKIP in the upcoming election, last time UKIP polled 24% against the Conservative 30%, and virtually everybody I know is going to be voting UKIP, including myself, and I’ve only ever voted twice in my life, the last time over 20 years ago. It’s a bit of an insult to suggest that a third of voters are motivated by racial hatred. They aren’t, they just have eyes to see with.

Anyway, why not tell us a little more about yourself? Do you drive a truck, or have some other interest in road transport for example? Or would you prefer not to say?

BillyHunt:
That’s quite eloquent in its way, well done. Total pish of course but hey, don’t let any home truths get in the way of a good winge.
Do you all really think that ukip would be fit to run this country? That’s what it boils down to. Personally I shudder to think what kind of mess we would be in with those people in charge. Couldn’t do any worse you all cry! Oh I think they could. They are nothing more than the bnp in different suits, the acceptable face if you will. As a matter of interest, who did you all vote for before this latest band to lead us to the promised land turned up.
Still not had any more ukip policies though, but the car is a beauty btw.

Here’s a home truth for you: I’m naturally a Conservative voter. I intend to vote for UKIP because the Conservatives aren’t taking us out of Europe fast enough or at all. That is the one and only issue I care about. Either Conservative or Labour running the country makes very little difference to my daily life. Labour used to be my class enemy along with the unions, but lately they seem to be not much worse than the Conservatives. I still couldn’t bring myself to vote Labour though. The Libdems are the chameleon party who will do or say anything to be in power and therefore can’t be trusted on anything. The only party I could vote for, that offers what I want, is UKIP.

If the Conservatives came back and said, we are getting out of the EU, now, not with some vague promise of a referendum sometime, maybe, if the mood suits us, and we think we will get the answer we want, I’d vote for them.

UKIP won’t win a majority but they will hurt the other party’s and some seats may change hands. If this makes the other party’s more attentive to our needs and desires then it will be worthwhile. There are too many complacent pseudo representatives in politics. Its about time we had someone who does what we want them to. If they don’t deliver they won’t be given a 2nd chance, but someone else may come along to replace them.

I am Canadian but I live, and vote, here in the UK. My vote is available to the Conservatives but they have to deserve it.

A bit more fuel for the fire. :laughing:
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  1. Immigrants are increasing NHS waiting times. “Britain is full”.

Immigrants make a net contribution to the UK. A recent study by University College London found that since 2000, European immigrants have paid 34% more in taxes than they claim back from the state; non-European immigrants paid 2% more. Over the same period, British people paid 11% less in tax than they claimed back. The study also found that immigrants are 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than people native to the UK, and 3% less likely to live in social housing. Only 0.15% of the NHS budget is lost to ‘health tourism’.

Public satisfaction with the NHS was at an all time high in 2011, but increasing austerity measures and the handing over of NHS contracts to private providers has lead to increased waiting times, as public health providers are having to cut back on services. Ukip’s manifesto pledges even more budget cuts. They plan to cut two million more public sector jobs (more than the entire NHS workforce) and to get rid of National Insurance, which raises over £100billion a year (more than the entire NHS budget). This is not even taking into account the massive loss to public spending that would result from their wish to introduce a flat 31% tax for people of all incomes over £11,500.

Immigrants are not a strain on the public sector, austerity is. Moreover, if Ukip truly believe that “Britain is full”, should the party be urging its members to stop procreating? Same-■■■ relationships would surely be far more patriotic?

  1. Immigrants are to blame for undercutting British workers

Immigrants, believe it or not, are human beings. Not unlike British human beings they love their families and will do whatever it takes to provide a better future for their children. Unfortunately, some employers exploit immigrant labour by illegally paying workers below the minimum wage, as recent immigrants will be more desperate to work, as they do not have the same access to benefits as UK citizens. If there was a strong commitment to the living wage, and serious criminal penalties for employers exploiting workers in this way, there would be no undercutting; and employers would judge job applicants on their merit, rather than their level of desperation and willingness to work for less.

It’s also worth remembering that British workers are also leaving the UK to work in the EU, it’s not a one-way system. There are currently 1.6 million UK citizens living in other EU countries.

  1. The entire population of Romania and Bulgaria could be heading to the UK

Romanians and Bulgarians are also human beings. Just like British humans most have families that they care about; friends they enjoy spending time with; a job in their local communities; a first language they enjoy speaking; a culture they are familiar with; and (unlike British humans) 35°C summers. The majority don’t want to leave their country of birth, and for those that do, it is not a decision to be taken lightly. Several factors must be taken into account, including the risk of moving to a foreign country and not being able to get work.

If Ukip believe that people will drop all of their domestic commitments at the first chance of moving to a more affluent country, why are working class Ukip voters not flocking to Germany - where wages and benefits are higher, and unemployment and youth unemployment is much lower?

  1. Britain loses money wasting benefits on scroungers cheating the system

With an average of 85 applicants chasing each job vacancy, Jobseekers Allowance is a necessity for people out of work who need to provide for themselves and their family. Whilst it is regularly assumed that the UK’s benefits spending overwhelmingly goes to people on the dole, almost half (47%) is actually spent on state pensions, with JSA making up only 3% of the entire benefits bill. Of all the money spent on benefits in the UK, only 0.7% (£1.2billion) is lost to fraud. Yet that amount is eclipsed by the £1.3billion that is unclaimed or underpaid. Therefore, if benefits were only paid to the people who deserve them, the UK would be spending £100million more, annually.

Of course, if it weren’t for free movement within the EU, Britain would see a sharp increase in the amount of people living on unemployment benefit. There are currently more unemployed UK citizens in Spain, than all the EU immigrants claiming benefits in the UK combined.

  1. EU membership is a burden on the UK.

Less than 0.5% of UK government spending goes on our EU membership. As a result of membership the UK receives 52% of all its trade from the EU, worth more than £400billion a year, which is free from customs duties or tariffs. As EU citizens we have the freedom to travel, live, work, study, and retire anywhere in the union; we have also enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe for two millennia; have set targets for sustainability thanks to EU green targets; and are protected by the European Arrest Warrant, which prevents European criminals evading arrest by entering the UK - and ensures that British criminals fleeing into Europe face justice. The EU is also currently working on closing tax loopholes to increase competition and recoup the billions of pounds lost through tax fraud and avoidance.

  1. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum. The European Union is a democratic confederation of nations, in which individuals elect MEPs to represent them in The European Parliament. Britain is the third best-represented nation, with 73 MEPs.

To say that European law is ‘forced’ on the British people is like saying that government policies are ‘forced’ on the people of Manchester who voted for Labour in 2010. We live in a representative democracy, and whilst that guarantees that everyone gets a vote; it does not mean that everyone is going to be happy with the result. If you don’t like a law that the EU has passed, perhaps it would be worth paying more attention to the European elections and voting for the MEPs and Europarties that will fight to represent your interests.

Incidentally, Ukip MEPs Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Paul Nuttall are among the bottom five lowest attendees at the European Parliament; despite being paid £60,000 a year, and claiming millions of pounds in expenses. A vote for a Ukip MEP is clearly not a vote for British representation in Europe.

  1. International aid is unnecessary and needs to be cut completely

0.7% of the UK’s gross national income is spent on the promotion of the economic development and welfare of developing countries, a target introduced by a 1970 UN resolution. In a world where over 1 billion people live on less than £1 a day, and the 85 richest people are as wealthy as the poorest 3.5 billion, international aid is far from unnecessary.

Remember: foreigners are humans too. Just because someone happened to be born on a different part of land from you doesn’t mean their child’s future doesn’t matter. It doesn’t mean that they don’t love their families and want them to live in a situation that’s fractionally better than the one they inherited. Moreover, if you don’t want poor people flocking to the UK, perhaps spending a tiny percentage of the tax pot on improving conditions in less developed countries would help people have better prospects in their country of birth, so they wouldn’t need to leave. Foreign aid also builds good international relations and therefore increases trade with the UK.

0% of UK foreign aid goes to “Bongo Bongo Land”.

  1. Climate change is a myth

Last year, there were 2258 peer-reviewed scientific journals written by 9136 authors that found that climate was changing and that humans were the main driver. Only one peer-reviewed author last year rejected this conclusion. 99.99% of published climate scientists agreed that humans are responsible for climate change.

If you’re still having trouble understanding how human-driven climate change works, click here to see a piece by CBBC Newsround that will help explain it to you. Although Ukip want to ban the teaching of climate change in schools, the reality is that we live in a world with a changing climate, finite fossil fuels, and an ever-expanding population. If we don’t act soon on climate change, and work towards a sustainable future, we are condemning future generations to lives of homelessness, toil, hunger and misery.

0% of climate scientists found a causal link between homosexual ■■■ acts and flooding.

  1. Ukip is a libertarian party

Libertarianism is the political perspective that individual freedom is the main driver for well-being, prosperity, and social harmony. However, Ukip seems to be at odds with this central premise. Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability. Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Ukip wanted to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-■■■ couples to get married. The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

  1. Political correctness is stifling free speech

There are certainly no laws restricting speech solely on the grounds of being ‘non-PC’. Despite all the stories you’ve heard about brainstorms and rainbow sheep, political correctness is just a socially constructed guide to etiquette that helps point out when you might be accidentally offending or excluding someone for no good reason. Your inability to tell misogynist jokes down the pub without someone asking you to leave is not political correctness stifling your free speech. You are free to say what you want, but you must also be aware that others are free to challenge you if they feel you are saying something ignorant or incorrect. Please bear this in mind if you’re thinking of commenting on this article.

Harry Monk:

BillyHunt:
They are nothing more than the bnp in different suits, the acceptable face if you will.

Now it’s my turn to let you in to a secret. Playing the “racist” card isn’t going to work this time around.

My own constituency will almost certainly go to UKIP in the upcoming election, last time UKIP polled 24% against the Conservative 30%, and virtually everybody I know is going to be voting UKIP, including myself, and I’ve only ever voted twice in my life, the last time over 20 years ago. It’s a bit of an insult to suggest that a third of voters are motivated by racial hatred. They aren’t, they just have eyes to see with.

Anyway, why not tell us a little more about yourself? Do you drive a truck, or have some other interest in road transport for example? Or would you prefer not to say?

What was it Obama said the other day? Something like “you don’t have to argue with racists, just stay quiet & let them talk. They’ll give themselves away soon enough” this will happen, and is happening in your chosen party, because racists can’t keep their mouths shut, always trying to show off to the moron. Given you haven’t voted for 20 years then you don’t really have any say in our current situation do you, seeing as how you couldn’t be bothered.
Oh the irony, getting a lecture on voting for ukip from someone who, if they were in power, might not even be allowed here. Unless of course you’re one of those acceptable immigrants because you don’t come from Eastern Europe. So, if I’m reading you right then you’re voting ukip to give the Tories a bloody nose if you will, only to go back to them when they promise something you like. You won’t be alone btw & that’s partly why ukip will never get in a position of power. I will ask again, for the 3rd time. What other policies do they have. What are their plans for the NHS, unemployment, defence etc.
My history is simple. Started driving HGV 3 in 1980, went in the army for a spell, took C&E in 96 & have worked at various companies around the NE area ever since. Hate football, love Rugby, England Rugby that is. Is that enough because if you want more you’re going to have to buy me a drink.

BillyHunt:
What was it Obama said the other day? Something like “you don’t have to argue with racists, just stay quiet & let them talk. They’ll give themselves away soon enough” this will happen, and is happening in your chosen party, because racists can’t keep their mouths shut, always trying to show off to the moron.

Like I said, the racism card isn’t going to work this time.

BillyHunt:
Oh the irony, getting a lecture on voting for ukip from someone who, if they were in power, might not even be allowed here. Unless of course you’re one of those acceptable immigrants because you don’t come from Eastern Europe.

Well, I was born in Bexleyheath, to parents who were born in Islington (in 1920) and Gosport (in 1935), and whose parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were born in London and Hampshire, so I’m not entirely sure what type of immigrant that makes me? :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Here’s some advice. When you are in a hole, stop digging.

. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum.

Surely the British People voted to join the EEC in 1973.
The EEC although a forerunner of the EU was a far different animal to the EU.

I voted for that, but don’t want to be part of the EU as it presently operates, or as it presently costs.

BillyHunt:
What was it Obama said the other day? Something like “you don’t have to argue with racists, just stay quiet & let them talk. They’ll give themselves away soon enough” this will happen, and is happening in your chosen party, because racists can’t keep their mouths shut, always trying to show off to the moron.

I have no problem with people being racist. Why would I? I have more of a problem with people who pretend to be something they are not.
JFYI some of my ancestors were German Jews. In spite of this I understand why some people are racist. On the other hand caring about keeping your country from being overrun by other cultures and religions is not racist. BTW I’m an Atheist. I’m not gay but I work with a lot of gay people. I couldn’t care less about how gay people live their lives. Are you confused enough yet? Stereotype all ■■■■■■ up now?

BillyHunt:
Given you haven’t voted for 20 years then you don’t really have any say in our current situation do you, seeing as how you couldn’t be bothered.

If you don’t like any of the candidates standing why does not voting remove your right to hold an opinion?

BillyHunt:
Oh the irony, getting a lecture on voting for ukip from someone who, if they were in power, might not even be allowed here. Unless of course you’re one of those acceptable immigrants because you don’t come from Eastern Europe.

Reading not your strong point? I was born here, emigrated to Canada as a child and have returned to my country of birth. I am not an immigrant to the UK. I’m a dual citizen of Canada and the UK. I pay my taxes here.

BillyHunt:
What other policies do they have. What are their plans for the NHS, unemployment, defence etc.

Who gives a ■■■■? I already went over that. The only issue I want sorted is leaving the EU ASAP.

del949:

. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum.

Surely the British People voted to join the EEC in 1973.
The EEC although a forerunner of the EU was a far different animal to the EU.

I voted for that, but don’t want to be part of the EU as it presently operates, or as it presently costs.

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