UKIP and DCPC

VOTE UKIP

Harry Monk:

BillyHunt:
What was it Obama said the other day? Something like “you don’t have to argue with racists, just stay quiet & let them talk. They’ll give themselves away soon enough” this will happen, and is happening in your chosen party, because racists can’t keep their mouths shut, always trying to show off to the moron.

Like I said, the racism card isn’t going to work this time.

BillyHunt:
Oh the irony, getting a lecture on voting for ukip from someone who, if they were in power, might not even be allowed here. Unless of course you’re one of those acceptable immigrants because you don’t come from Eastern Europe.

Well, I was born in Bexleyheath, to parents who were born in Islington (in 1920) and Gosport (in 1935), and whose parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were born in London and Hampshire, so I’m not entirely sure what type of immigrant that makes me? :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Here’s some advice. When you are in a hole, stop digging.

I think Billy was either talking to both of us or thought we were the same person. He doesn’t seem very bright. :smiley:

bradfordlad9999:
VOTE UKIP

Good man!

To BillyHunt:

As you may now realize, there are quite a few working men who intend to vote UKIP, not just right wing ex-Conservative voters such as myself.

Could you have a word with your mate Dave and see if he would like to make some concessions before it is too late?

Smearing UKIP and playing the race card isn’t fooling many voters, it just makes UKIP look more credible and vote worthy as the party with the 3 arse cheeks are obviously ■■■■■■■■ themselves. :smiling_imp:

Billy?

Sure it’s not Mike?

Own Account Driver:
Billy?

Sure it’s not Mike?

Has anybody seen Mike Hunt?

Bet he doesn’t come back…

Oooh name calling, well that didn’t take too long. Sorry but I’m not the type to jump on the bandwagon. You vote for whoever you feel comfortable with, if your vote can be bought for as little as a pint & ■■■ routine then good luck.
Well I might not be an Oxbridge scholar but I know when someone is trying to con me, and ukip fit that bill perfectly. You don’t mind racists! But don’t like people pretending to be something they aren’t, yet you want to vote ukip. You have no interest in the way this country is run as long as we get out of Europe, why is that? What are you expecting to happen? What miracle are you expecting to happen?
No, if people haven’t voted they have no say, why should they? They cannot be bothered to do anything about what is going on, probably because they are happy making cash & living the life. Then when something comes along to upset the apple cart its all wailing & gnashing of teeth & those lying politicians have stiffed me, get them out. You get the politicians you deserve, not voting gets you where you are today.
I’ll take it that they have no other policy’s then.

Oh dear,

Mainstream politics really is ■■■■■■■■ itself. :laughing:

Own Account Driver:
Oh dear,

Mainstream politics really is ■■■■■■■■ itself. :laughing:

Exactly that, from the word “Go”, our new member Billy has given himself away as a Conservative party shill.

Very poor effort, 1/10.

BillyHunt:
Oooh name calling, well that didn’t take too long. Sorry but I’m not the type to jump on the bandwagon. You vote for whoever you feel comfortable with, if your vote can be bought for as little as a pint & ■■■ routine then good luck.
Well I might not be an Oxbridge scholar but I know when someone is trying to con me, and ukip fit that bill perfectly. You don’t mind racists! But don’t like people pretending to be something they aren’t, yet you want to vote ukip. You have no interest in the way this country is run as long as we get out of Europe, why is that? What are you expecting to happen? What miracle are you expecting to happen?
No, if people haven’t voted they have no say, why should they? They cannot be bothered to do anything about what is going on, probably because they are happy making cash & living the life. Then when something comes along to upset the apple cart its all wailing & gnashing of teeth & those lying politicians have stiffed me, get them out. You get the politicians you deserve, not voting gets you where you are today.
I’ll take it that they have no other policy’s then.

Oooo, you did come back. Shocked!

You’re absolutely right Mike, UKIP are nothing but a bandwagon to jump on, and you Conservatives have nothing to worry about. You can go now…

Still here? OK then:

Personally, as a non-smoking teetotaller, the ■■■ and pint routine did nothing for me, but I do love a good bandwagon, especially one with big wheels.
Mind you don’t get squished. :smiling_imp:

What don’t you like about racists Mike?
Why is it racist if Caucasians say or do something, but not racist when the same sort of thing is said or done to Caucasians?
For example, there are Black Business Awards and Black Music Awards. Why? Would it be OK if we had White equivalents?
{disclaimer: other races are available}

I’ve voted in every election including my local elections. Even if none of the local candidates impressed me, I would still vote, not for them, but for the party I consider best to look after my interests. Up to now that has been the Conservatives. Unfortunately, I no longer feel that way inclined. UKIP looks pretty good from where I sit and I don’t care what other policies they may or may not have. The one issue I care about is leaving the EU. Then we can run our own country the way we want to run it, not how we are told to run it by Europe. You say we get the politicians we deserve. That’s great, I think we deserve a new breed of politician. One that listens to the voters and delivers what they promise. Do we deserve to belong to the European Federal State? If so, why? We didn’t vote for a European State, we voted for a common market, a free trade area. We want our country back. UKIP offers us that dream.

BillyHunt:
Well I might not be an Oxbridge scholar but I know when someone is trying to con me, and ukip fit that bill perfectly. You don’t mind racists!

As I keep trying to explain to you, the “racist” card just doesn’t work any more, and I doubt it ever will again. Go back to Party Headquarters and say “Lads, we’re stuffed. We’re going to be wiped out next month”.

oatcake1967:
A bit more fuel for the fire. :laughing:
huffingtonpost.co.uk/kieran- … 50602.html

  1. Immigrants are increasing NHS waiting times. “Britain is full”.

Immigrants make a net contribution to the UK. A recent study by University College London found that since 2000, European immigrants have paid 34% more in taxes than they claim back from the state; non-European immigrants paid 2% more. Over the same period, British people paid 11% less in tax than they claimed back. The study also found that immigrants are 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than people native to the UK, and 3% less likely to live in social housing. Only 0.15% of the NHS budget is lost to ‘health tourism’.

Public satisfaction with the NHS was at an all time high in 2011, but increasing austerity measures and the handing over of NHS contracts to private providers has lead to increased waiting times, as public health providers are having to cut back on services. Ukip’s manifesto pledges even more budget cuts. They plan to cut two million more public sector jobs (more than the entire NHS workforce) and to get rid of National Insurance, which raises over £100billion a year (more than the entire NHS budget). This is not even taking into account the massive loss to public spending that would result from their wish to introduce a flat 31% tax for people of all incomes over £11,500.

Immigrants are not a strain on the public sector, austerity is. Moreover, if Ukip truly believe that “Britain is full”, should the party be urging its members to stop procreating? Same-■■■ relationships would surely be far more patriotic?

  1. Immigrants are to blame for undercutting British workers

Immigrants, believe it or not, are human beings. Not unlike British human beings they love their families and will do whatever it takes to provide a better future for their children. Unfortunately, some employers exploit immigrant labour by illegally paying workers below the minimum wage, as recent immigrants will be more desperate to work, as they do not have the same access to benefits as UK citizens. If there was a strong commitment to the living wage, and serious criminal penalties for employers exploiting workers in this way, there would be no undercutting; and employers would judge job applicants on their merit, rather than their level of desperation and willingness to work for less.

It’s also worth remembering that British workers are also leaving the UK to work in the EU, it’s not a one-way system. There are currently 1.6 million UK citizens living in other EU countries.

  1. The entire population of Romania and Bulgaria could be heading to the UK

Romanians and Bulgarians are also human beings. Just like British humans most have families that they care about; friends they enjoy spending time with; a job in their local communities; a first language they enjoy speaking; a culture they are familiar with; and (unlike British humans) 35°C summers. The majority don’t want to leave their country of birth, and for those that do, it is not a decision to be taken lightly. Several factors must be taken into account, including the risk of moving to a foreign country and not being able to get work.

If Ukip believe that people will drop all of their domestic commitments at the first chance of moving to a more affluent country, why are working class Ukip voters not flocking to Germany - where wages and benefits are higher, and unemployment and youth unemployment is much lower?

  1. Britain loses money wasting benefits on scroungers cheating the system

With an average of 85 applicants chasing each job vacancy, Jobseekers Allowance is a necessity for people out of work who need to provide for themselves and their family. Whilst it is regularly assumed that the UK’s benefits spending overwhelmingly goes to people on the dole, almost half (47%) is actually spent on state pensions, with JSA making up only 3% of the entire benefits bill. Of all the money spent on benefits in the UK, only 0.7% (£1.2billion) is lost to fraud. Yet that amount is eclipsed by the £1.3billion that is unclaimed or underpaid. Therefore, if benefits were only paid to the people who deserve them, the UK would be spending £100million more, annually.

Of course, if it weren’t for free movement within the EU, Britain would see a sharp increase in the amount of people living on unemployment benefit. There are currently more unemployed UK citizens in Spain, than all the EU immigrants claiming benefits in the UK combined.

  1. EU membership is a burden on the UK.

Less than 0.5% of UK government spending goes on our EU membership. As a result of membership the UK receives 52% of all its trade from the EU, worth more than £400billion a year, which is free from customs duties or tariffs. As EU citizens we have the freedom to travel, live, work, study, and retire anywhere in the union; we have also enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe for two millennia; have set targets for sustainability thanks to EU green targets; and are protected by the European Arrest Warrant, which prevents European criminals evading arrest by entering the UK - and ensures that British criminals fleeing into Europe face justice. The EU is also currently working on closing tax loopholes to increase competition and recoup the billions of pounds lost through tax fraud and avoidance.

  1. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum. The European Union is a democratic confederation of nations, in which individuals elect MEPs to represent them in The European Parliament. Britain is the third best-represented nation, with 73 MEPs.

To say that European law is ‘forced’ on the British people is like saying that government policies are ‘forced’ on the people of Manchester who voted for Labour in 2010. We live in a representative democracy, and whilst that guarantees that everyone gets a vote; it does not mean that everyone is going to be happy with the result. If you don’t like a law that the EU has passed, perhaps it would be worth paying more attention to the European elections and voting for the MEPs and Europarties that will fight to represent your interests.

Incidentally, Ukip MEPs Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Paul Nuttall are among the bottom five lowest attendees at the European Parliament; despite being paid £60,000 a year, and claiming millions of pounds in expenses. A vote for a Ukip MEP is clearly not a vote for British representation in Europe.

  1. International aid is unnecessary and needs to be cut completely

0.7% of the UK’s gross national income is spent on the promotion of the economic development and welfare of developing countries, a target introduced by a 1970 UN resolution. In a world where over 1 billion people live on less than £1 a day, and the 85 richest people are as wealthy as the poorest 3.5 billion, international aid is far from unnecessary.

Remember: foreigners are humans too. Just because someone happened to be born on a different part of land from you doesn’t mean their child’s future doesn’t matter. It doesn’t mean that they don’t love their families and want them to live in a situation that’s fractionally better than the one they inherited. Moreover, if you don’t want poor people flocking to the UK, perhaps spending a tiny percentage of the tax pot on improving conditions in less developed countries would help people have better prospects in their country of birth, so they wouldn’t need to leave. Foreign aid also builds good international relations and therefore increases trade with the UK.

0% of UK foreign aid goes to “Bongo Bongo Land”.

  1. Climate change is a myth

Last year, there were 2258 peer-reviewed scientific journals written by 9136 authors that found that climate was changing and that humans were the main driver. Only one peer-reviewed author last year rejected this conclusion. 99.99% of published climate scientists agreed that humans are responsible for climate change.

If you’re still having trouble understanding how human-driven climate change works, click here to see a piece by CBBC Newsround that will help explain it to you. Although Ukip want to ban the teaching of climate change in schools, the reality is that we live in a world with a changing climate, finite fossil fuels, and an ever-expanding population. If we don’t act soon on climate change, and work towards a sustainable future, we are condemning future generations to lives of homelessness, toil, hunger and misery.

0% of climate scientists found a causal link between homosexual ■■■ acts and flooding.

  1. Ukip is a libertarian party

Libertarianism is the political perspective that individual freedom is the main driver for well-being, prosperity, and social harmony. However, Ukip seems to be at odds with this central premise. Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability. Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Ukip wanted to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-■■■ couples to get married. The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

  1. Political correctness is stifling free speech

There are certainly no laws restricting speech solely on the grounds of being ‘non-PC’. Despite all the stories you’ve heard about brainstorms and rainbow sheep, political correctness is just a socially constructed guide to etiquette that helps point out when you might be accidentally offending or excluding someone for no good reason. Your inability to tell misogynist jokes down the pub without someone asking you to leave is not political correctness stifling your free speech. You are free to say what you want, but you must also be aware that others are free to challenge you if they feel you are saying something ignorant or incorrect. Please bear this in mind if you’re thinking of commenting on this article.

This is a good post and deserves a reply from some of the UKIP supporters.

oatcake1967:
A bit more fuel for the fire. :laughing:
huffingtonpost.co.uk/kieran- … 50602.html

  1. Immigrants are increasing NHS waiting times. “Britain is full”.

Immigrants make a net contribution to the UK. A recent study by University College London found that since 2000, European immigrants have paid 34% more in taxes than they claim back from the state; non-European immigrants paid 2% more. Over the same period, British people paid 11% less in tax than they claimed back. The study also found that immigrants are 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than people native to the UK, and 3% less likely to live in social housing. Only 0.15% of the NHS budget is lost to ‘health tourism’.

Public satisfaction with the NHS was at an all time high in 2011, but increasing austerity measures and the handing over of NHS contracts to private providers has lead to increased waiting times, as public health providers are having to cut back on services. Ukip’s manifesto pledges even more budget cuts. They plan to cut two million more public sector jobs (more than the entire NHS workforce) and to get rid of National Insurance, which raises over £100billion a year (more than the entire NHS budget). This is not even taking into account the massive loss to public spending that would result from their wish to introduce a flat 31% tax for people of all incomes over £11,500.

Immigrants are not a strain on the public sector, austerity is. Moreover, if Ukip truly believe that “Britain is full”, should the party be urging its members to stop procreating? Same-■■■ relationships would surely be far more patriotic?

  1. Immigrants are to blame for undercutting British workers

Immigrants, believe it or not, are human beings. Not unlike British human beings they love their families and will do whatever it takes to provide a better future for their children. Unfortunately, some employers exploit immigrant labour by illegally paying workers below the minimum wage, as recent immigrants will be more desperate to work, as they do not have the same access to benefits as UK citizens. If there was a strong commitment to the living wage, and serious criminal penalties for employers exploiting workers in this way, there would be no undercutting; and employers would judge job applicants on their merit, rather than their level of desperation and willingness to work for less.

It’s also worth remembering that British workers are also leaving the UK to work in the EU, it’s not a one-way system. There are currently 1.6 million UK citizens living in other EU countries.

  1. The entire population of Romania and Bulgaria could be heading to the UK

Romanians and Bulgarians are also human beings. Just like British humans most have families that they care about; friends they enjoy spending time with; a job in their local communities; a first language they enjoy speaking; a culture they are familiar with; and (unlike British humans) 35°C summers. The majority don’t want to leave their country of birth, and for those that do, it is not a decision to be taken lightly. Several factors must be taken into account, including the risk of moving to a foreign country and not being able to get work.

If Ukip believe that people will drop all of their domestic commitments at the first chance of moving to a more affluent country, why are working class Ukip voters not flocking to Germany - where wages and benefits are higher, and unemployment and youth unemployment is much lower?

  1. Britain loses money wasting benefits on scroungers cheating the system

With an average of 85 applicants chasing each job vacancy, Jobseekers Allowance is a necessity for people out of work who need to provide for themselves and their family. Whilst it is regularly assumed that the UK’s benefits spending overwhelmingly goes to people on the dole, almost half (47%) is actually spent on state pensions, with JSA making up only 3% of the entire benefits bill. Of all the money spent on benefits in the UK, only 0.7% (£1.2billion) is lost to fraud. Yet that amount is eclipsed by the £1.3billion that is unclaimed or underpaid. Therefore, if benefits were only paid to the people who deserve them, the UK would be spending £100million more, annually.

Of course, if it weren’t for free movement within the EU, Britain would see a sharp increase in the amount of people living on unemployment benefit. There are currently more unemployed UK citizens in Spain, than all the EU immigrants claiming benefits in the UK combined.

  1. EU membership is a burden on the UK.

Less than 0.5% of UK government spending goes on our EU membership. As a result of membership the UK receives 52% of all its trade from the EU, worth more than £400billion a year, which is free from customs duties or tariffs. As EU citizens we have the freedom to travel, live, work, study, and retire anywhere in the union; we have also enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe for two millennia; have set targets for sustainability thanks to EU green targets; and are protected by the European Arrest Warrant, which prevents European criminals evading arrest by entering the UK - and ensures that British criminals fleeing into Europe face justice. The EU is also currently working on closing tax loopholes to increase competition and recoup the billions of pounds lost through tax fraud and avoidance.

  1. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum. The European Union is a democratic confederation of nations, in which individuals elect MEPs to represent them in The European Parliament. Britain is the third best-represented nation, with 73 MEPs.

To say that European law is ‘forced’ on the British people is like saying that government policies are ‘forced’ on the people of Manchester who voted for Labour in 2010. We live in a representative democracy, and whilst that guarantees that everyone gets a vote; it does not mean that everyone is going to be happy with the result. If you don’t like a law that the EU has passed, perhaps it would be worth paying more attention to the European elections and voting for the MEPs and Europarties that will fight to represent your interests.

Incidentally, Ukip MEPs Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Paul Nuttall are among the bottom five lowest attendees at the European Parliament; despite being paid £60,000 a year, and claiming millions of pounds in expenses. A vote for a Ukip MEP is clearly not a vote for British representation in Europe.

  1. International aid is unnecessary and needs to be cut completely

0.7% of the UK’s gross national income is spent on the promotion of the economic development and welfare of developing countries, a target introduced by a 1970 UN resolution. In a world where over 1 billion people live on less than £1 a day, and the 85 richest people are as wealthy as the poorest 3.5 billion, international aid is far from unnecessary.

Remember: foreigners are humans too. Just because someone happened to be born on a different part of land from you doesn’t mean their child’s future doesn’t matter. It doesn’t mean that they don’t love their families and want them to live in a situation that’s fractionally better than the one they inherited. Moreover, if you don’t want poor people flocking to the UK, perhaps spending a tiny percentage of the tax pot on improving conditions in less developed countries would help people have better prospects in their country of birth, so they wouldn’t need to leave. Foreign aid also builds good international relations and therefore increases trade with the UK.

0% of UK foreign aid goes to “Bongo Bongo Land”.

  1. Climate change is a myth

Last year, there were 2258 peer-reviewed scientific journals written by 9136 authors that found that climate was changing and that humans were the main driver. Only one peer-reviewed author last year rejected this conclusion. 99.99% of published climate scientists agreed that humans are responsible for climate change.

If you’re still having trouble understanding how human-driven climate change works, click here to see a piece by CBBC Newsround that will help explain it to you. Although Ukip want to ban the teaching of climate change in schools, the reality is that we live in a world with a changing climate, finite fossil fuels, and an ever-expanding population. If we don’t act soon on climate change, and work towards a sustainable future, we are condemning future generations to lives of homelessness, toil, hunger and misery.

0% of climate scientists found a causal link between homosexual ■■■ acts and flooding.

  1. Ukip is a libertarian party

Libertarianism is the political perspective that individual freedom is the main driver for well-being, prosperity, and social harmony. However, Ukip seems to be at odds with this central premise. Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability. Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Ukip wanted to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-■■■ couples to get married. The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

  1. Political correctness is stifling free speech

There are certainly no laws restricting speech solely on the grounds of being ‘non-PC’. Despite all the stories you’ve heard about brainstorms and rainbow sheep, political correctness is just a socially constructed guide to etiquette that helps point out when you might be accidentally offending or excluding someone for no good reason. Your inability to tell misogynist jokes down the pub without someone asking you to leave is not political correctness stifling your free speech. You are free to say what you want, but you must also be aware that others are free to challenge you if they feel you are saying something ignorant or incorrect. Please bear this in mind if you’re thinking of commenting on this article.

Typical Libdumb rubbish

If immigration made us richer we would be on the way up not down. The Bliar government let 3 million in during its term, we had 3 million unemployed at the time. My maths is poor can anyone work it out for me?
Drivers, and any paid profession are much worse off with a constant supply of people from abroad who will work for peanuts. You only have to look at wages over the last ten years.
Houses are expensive for several reasons, main one being supply and demand.

The one thing that seems to be missed is what happens to the countries where the immigrants came from, how are they better off with all their young people abroad?

oatcake1967:
A bit more fuel for the fire. :laughing:
huffingtonpost.co.uk/kieran- … 50602.html

  1. Immigrants are increasing NHS waiting times. “Britain is full”.

Immigrants make a net contribution to the UK. A recent study by University College London found that since 2000, European immigrants have paid 34% more in taxes than they claim back from the state; non-European immigrants paid 2% more. Over the same period, British people paid 11% less in tax than they claimed back. The study also found that immigrants are 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than people native to the UK, and 3% less likely to live in social housing. Only 0.15% of the NHS budget is lost to ‘health tourism’.

Public satisfaction with the NHS was at an all time high in 2011, but increasing austerity measures and the handing over of NHS contracts to private providers has lead to increased waiting times, as public health providers are having to cut back on services. Ukip’s manifesto pledges even more budget cuts. They plan to cut two million more public sector jobs (more than the entire NHS workforce) and to get rid of National Insurance, which raises over £100billion a year (more than the entire NHS budget). This is not even taking into account the massive loss to public spending that would result from their wish to introduce a flat 31% tax for people of all incomes over £11,500.

Immigrants are not a strain on the public sector, austerity is. Moreover, if Ukip truly believe that “Britain is full”, should the party be urging its members to stop procreating? Same-■■■ relationships would surely be far more patriotic?

  1. Immigrants are to blame for undercutting British workers

Immigrants, believe it or not, are human beings. Not unlike British human beings they love their families and will do whatever it takes to provide a better future for their children. Unfortunately, some employers exploit immigrant labour by illegally paying workers below the minimum wage, as recent immigrants will be more desperate to work, as they do not have the same access to benefits as UK citizens. If there was a strong commitment to the living wage, and serious criminal penalties for employers exploiting workers in this way, there would be no undercutting; and employers would judge job applicants on their merit, rather than their level of desperation and willingness to work for less.

It’s also worth remembering that British workers are also leaving the UK to work in the EU, it’s not a one-way system. There are currently 1.6 million UK citizens living in other EU countries.

  1. The entire population of Romania and Bulgaria could be heading to the UK

Romanians and Bulgarians are also human beings. Just like British humans most have families that they care about; friends they enjoy spending time with; a job in their local communities; a first language they enjoy speaking; a culture they are familiar with; and (unlike British humans) 35°C summers. The majority don’t want to leave their country of birth, and for those that do, it is not a decision to be taken lightly. Several factors must be taken into account, including the risk of moving to a foreign country and not being able to get work.

If Ukip believe that people will drop all of their domestic commitments at the first chance of moving to a more affluent country, why are working class Ukip voters not flocking to Germany - where wages and benefits are higher, and unemployment and youth unemployment is much lower?

  1. Britain loses money wasting benefits on scroungers cheating the system

With an average of 85 applicants chasing each job vacancy, Jobseekers Allowance is a necessity for people out of work who need to provide for themselves and their family. Whilst it is regularly assumed that the UK’s benefits spending overwhelmingly goes to people on the dole, almost half (47%) is actually spent on state pensions, with JSA making up only 3% of the entire benefits bill. Of all the money spent on benefits in the UK, only 0.7% (£1.2billion) is lost to fraud. Yet that amount is eclipsed by the £1.3billion that is unclaimed or underpaid. Therefore, if benefits were only paid to the people who deserve them, the UK would be spending £100million more, annually.

Of course, if it weren’t for free movement within the EU, Britain would see a sharp increase in the amount of people living on unemployment benefit. There are currently more unemployed UK citizens in Spain, than all the EU immigrants claiming benefits in the UK combined.

  1. EU membership is a burden on the UK.

Less than 0.5% of UK government spending goes on our EU membership. As a result of membership the UK receives 52% of all its trade from the EU, worth more than £400billion a year, which is free from customs duties or tariffs. As EU citizens we have the freedom to travel, live, work, study, and retire anywhere in the union; we have also enjoyed the longest period of peace in Europe for two millennia; have set targets for sustainability thanks to EU green targets; and are protected by the European Arrest Warrant, which prevents European criminals evading arrest by entering the UK - and ensures that British criminals fleeing into Europe face justice. The EU is also currently working on closing tax loopholes to increase competition and recoup the billions of pounds lost through tax fraud and avoidance.

  1. EU laws are forced on the British people.

The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum. The European Union is a democratic confederation of nations, in which individuals elect MEPs to represent them in The European Parliament. Britain is the third best-represented nation, with 73 MEPs.

To say that European law is ‘forced’ on the British people is like saying that government policies are ‘forced’ on the people of Manchester who voted for Labour in 2010. We live in a representative democracy, and whilst that guarantees that everyone gets a vote; it does not mean that everyone is going to be happy with the result. If you don’t like a law that the EU has passed, perhaps it would be worth paying more attention to the European elections and voting for the MEPs and Europarties that will fight to represent your interests.

Incidentally, Ukip MEPs Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and Paul Nuttall are among the bottom five lowest attendees at the European Parliament; despite being paid £60,000 a year, and claiming millions of pounds in expenses. A vote for a Ukip MEP is clearly not a vote for British representation in Europe.

  1. International aid is unnecessary and needs to be cut completely

0.7% of the UK’s gross national income is spent on the promotion of the economic development and welfare of developing countries, a target introduced by a 1970 UN resolution. In a world where over 1 billion people live on less than £1 a day, and the 85 richest people are as wealthy as the poorest 3.5 billion, international aid is far from unnecessary.

Remember: foreigners are humans too. Just because someone happened to be born on a different part of land from you doesn’t mean their child’s future doesn’t matter. It doesn’t mean that they don’t love their families and want them to live in a situation that’s fractionally better than the one they inherited. Moreover, if you don’t want poor people flocking to the UK, perhaps spending a tiny percentage of the tax pot on improving conditions in less developed countries would help people have better prospects in their country of birth, so they wouldn’t need to leave. Foreign aid also builds good international relations and therefore increases trade with the UK.

0% of UK foreign aid goes to “Bongo Bongo Land”.

  1. Climate change is a myth

Last year, there were 2258 peer-reviewed scientific journals written by 9136 authors that found that climate was changing and that humans were the main driver. Only one peer-reviewed author last year rejected this conclusion. 99.99% of published climate scientists agreed that humans are responsible for climate change.

If you’re still having trouble understanding how human-driven climate change works, click here to see a piece by CBBC Newsround that will help explain it to you. Although Ukip want to ban the teaching of climate change in schools, the reality is that we live in a world with a changing climate, finite fossil fuels, and an ever-expanding population. If we don’t act soon on climate change, and work towards a sustainable future, we are condemning future generations to lives of homelessness, toil, hunger and misery.

0% of climate scientists found a causal link between homosexual ■■■ acts and flooding.

  1. Ukip is a libertarian party

Libertarianism is the political perspective that individual freedom is the main driver for well-being, prosperity, and social harmony. However, Ukip seems to be at odds with this central premise. Geoffrey Clarke, a Ukip candidate, said that the NHS should introduce compulsory abortion for foetuses detected to have a disability. Ukip candidate Alexandra Swann argued that the unemployed shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Ukip wanted to make it illegal for women to go outside if they chose to wear a burqa, and were opposed to allowing same-■■■ couples to get married. The party manifesto also pledges to double prison places, restrict the free movement of people within the EU and repeal the Human Rights Act - the very document that ensures unalienable liberty for all.

  1. Political correctness is stifling free speech

There are certainly no laws restricting speech solely on the grounds of being ‘non-PC’. Despite all the stories you’ve heard about brainstorms and rainbow sheep, political correctness is just a socially constructed guide to etiquette that helps point out when you might be accidentally offending or excluding someone for no good reason. Your inability to tell misogynist jokes down the pub without someone asking you to leave is not political correctness stifling your free speech. You are free to say what you want, but you must also be aware that others are free to challenge you if they feel you are saying something ignorant or incorrect. Please bear this in mind if you’re thinking of commenting on this article.

You spent an awful long time posting incorrect information. It was recently hot news that the Tax input from foreign workers was a complete lie and in fact rather than being a positive input they were in fact a drain on the system. They cost the country more because many are also claiming tax credits along with other benefits which were not factored in when the original flawed study was produced.

Vote Ukip.

del949:
‘…The British people voted to join the EU in a 1975 referendum…’

Wrong: The vote was for the cosy sounding ‘Common Market’ during an era when arctic rolls of ice cream in sponge & nylon shirts were the promise of things to come - before it emerged all sinister, changed it’s name and nuance and began homogenising us into federalised, undemocratic & expensive greyness

BillyHunt:
‘…By that time we will have had a referendum on Europe…’

That guarantee being where?

BillyHunt:
‘…ukip … don’t appear to have any other policy…’

A statement evidencing scant research - which would otherwise easily answer the poster’s question re immigrants ‘…what would their strategy be to reduce it, round them up and send them back? Including Nigel’s wife…’

BillyHunt:
‘…For the record I vote conservative, always have…’

Tribal pride, Zzzz: Even now the Tories (EU toadies?) have slithered into pro-EU ultra-liberalism - albeit with dozens of pending rat/ship-jumpers of all tribes, how does that square-up to polish the EU turd? Are Specsavers req’d here?

BillyHunt:
‘…I can see the appeal of ukip to the jaded but, come on, name a couple more of their policies other than “we will get us out of Europe”…’

Allied with blind tribalism, single issue politics have become an increased norm - and what with the EU dominating the entire playing field of UK politics, see UKIP’s mainifesto instead of waiting for Cameron to spoon-feed his distortion of what’s really on our streets (as if he knows!)- as well as sending UK wealth at £53 million per day to Brussels upon their whimsical demand to get a grip of what you want naming.

Finally, to briefly glimpse beyond the sickening triteness of ignorance, what has Cameron got against trading with the world, instead of only those Brussels says we can? Hows that for a cracking (only UKIP!) policy - yet the Tories remain content to stifle it :open_mouth:

PS. Now that my employer has HQ’d itself outside the EU to dodge UK & EU tax, it has conspired for me to compulsorily do the EU’s DCPC on my much loved rest-days - against which I’m appealing: As a real-life, daily incursion of irritation, that’s enough for me to see how the single issue of anti-EU ‘membership’ sneakily & undemocratically dominates us all every day :exclamation:

happy keith, perhaps it would be fairer of you to quote the original quote rather than using my quote which makes me look a plank!

Truckbling:

oatcake1967:
A bit more fuel for the fire. :laughing:
huffingtonpost.co.uk/kieran- … 50602.html

You spent an awful long time posting incorrect information. It was recently hot news that the Tax input from foreign workers was a complete lie and in fact rather than being a positive input they were in fact a drain on the system. They cost the country more because many are also claiming tax credits along with other benefits which were not factored in when the original flawed study was produced.

Vote Ukip.

Copy and paste takes but a moment. :wink:

Don’t shoot the messenger. :laughing:

turbot:
Typical Libdumb rubbish

If immigration made us richer we would be on the way up not down. The Bliar government let 3 million in during its term, we had 3 million unemployed at the time. My maths is poor can anyone work it out for me?
Drivers, and any paid profession are much worse off with a constant supply of people from abroad who will work for peanuts. You only have to look at wages over the last ten years.
Houses are expensive for several reasons, main one being supply and demand.

The one thing that seems to be missed is what happens to the countries where the immigrants came from, how are they better off with all their young people abroad?

Don’t debate it with us … take it up with those who carried out the original research.

cream-migration.org/publ_upl … _22_13.pdf

Have a read, let us know where they’ve gone wrong and why, backed up by your own data.

Truckbling:
You spent an awful long time posting incorrect information. It was recently hot news that the Tax input from foreign workers was a complete lie and in fact rather than being a positive input they were in fact a drain on the system. They cost the country more because many are also claiming tax credits along with other benefits which were not factored in when the original flawed study was produced.

Vote Ukip.

Likewise. Got a link to that thing about tax credits? Any credible data to back it up? As it stands, you could have simply made it up.

Big Jon’s dad:
Oooo, you did come back. Shocked!

You’re absolutely right Mike, UKIP are nothing but a bandwagon to jump on, and you Conservatives have nothing to worry about. You can go now…

Still here? OK then:

Personally, as a non-smoking teetotaller, the ■■■ and pint routine did nothing for me, but I do love a good bandwagon, especially one with big wheels.
Mind you don’t get squished. :smiling_imp:

What don’t you like about racists Mike?
Why is it racist if Caucasians say or do something, but not racist when the same sort of thing is said or done to Caucasians?
For example, there are Black Business Awards and Black Music Awards. Why? Would it be OK if we had White equivalents?
{disclaimer: other races are available}

I’ve voted in every election including my local elections. Even if none of the local candidates impressed me, I would still vote, not for them, but for the party I consider best to look after my interests. Up to now that has been the Conservatives. Unfortunately, I no longer feel that way inclined. UKIP looks pretty good from where I sit and I don’t care what other policies they may or may not have. The one issue I care about is leaving the EU. Then we can run our own country the way we want to run it, not how we are told to run it by Europe. You say we get the politicians we deserve. That’s great, I think we deserve a new breed of politician. One that listens to the voters and delivers what they promise. Do we deserve to belong to the European Federal State? If so, why? We didn’t vote for a European State, we voted for a common market, a free trade area. We want our country back. UKIP offers us that dream.

The names Billy, do try to get yourself out of the playground. Why would you think I wouldn’t be back? Do you think I’d be beaten by your repeated mantra of get us out of Europe. What an odd person you are, you’re not bothered by racism but have family that were German Jews, you say you’re a right wing Tory but will vote ukip, presumably until they show themselves to be what they are, then it’s back on the Tory bandwagon, you don’t like people that pretend to be something they’re not, yet you’re English but want to be known as Canadian! Man you are all over the place.
Now, let’s make a massive leap & give power to ukip. Ok we’re out of Europe, now what?, I know you don’t care about their policies but we are stuck here so we have to be. Do you really trust these people to get this country back on track, I know I don’t.
What’s that? Another month, the 5th in a row, of increased productivity, we’ll, who’d a thunk it.

Interesting article.
alternet.org/why-right-winge … l-ideology

BillyHunt:
What’s that? Another month, the 5th in a row, of increased productivity, we’ll, who’d a thunk it.

If you know anything at all about economics, then you’ll understand this graph.

You don’t, so I’ll explain it to you. There is no growth, just financial manipulation designed to create a feel-good factor ahead of the General Election.