Winseer:
jonesy1985:
Winseer:
The eurozone donks all it’s (our) money away on MEP expense accounts - c’mon - we all knew that!Good thing too…it is hard work being an MEP, for a start those chairs they have to sit in look very uncomfortable
Yeh, but we don’t get an expense account for having to drive a seddon, or sit in an axor on a hot summer’s day do we?
We should be grateful…the air conditioning can get very cold inside both Immeuble Louise Weiss and Espace Léopold
BillyHunt:
Winseer:
The eurozone donks all it’s (our) money away on MEP expense accounts - c’mon - we all knew that!Surely you won’t mind paying then what with so many ukip MEPs to fund.
I’ve just been reading how ukip intend to raise the tax allowance on the minimum wage, it would cost £18.7 million. They intend to pay for it by cutting the top rate of tax from 45% to 40%, this would cost £825 million. I think they might need a new calculator.
UKIP could potentially save at least £10 million a day by curtailing our commitment to an open border. This is on top of the minimum daily £53 million we wouldn’t be throwing towards Brussels.
I don’t mind paying them if they end up speaking properly on our behalf. Even if doesn’t actually achieve anything, it will at the very least annoy the hell out of some of the Nancy boys in Brussels.
I think you, Sir, need a new calcultor. (Of course this is dependent on UKIP walking in Downing Street and other terms and conditions may apply)
Happy Keith:
jonesy1985:
Happy Keith:
jonesy1985:
‘…Are lorry drivers possibly…’ etc‘…Dunno, etc…’
I am somewhat lost by your mantra…but I think I agree, if there is indeed a point you’re making…
Yeah, I good point, Jonesy …and cheers for the heads-up.
I get a bit/lot up myself when I rush a post - and making a point sometimes gets lost amongst trying to be concise (and then losing ‘it’)
My point is that the UK government, by letting the nation’s confrontational groupings ‘liberally’ do as they please, gets away with sitting pretty because those umpteen groups are always ‘at’ each other - rather than any or all the groups focussing on the government being slack at decently governing us.
Often so much so that Westminster need not bother worrying about being justifiably ‘shot at’ (or called to account) - which in turn means that Brussels is happy too.
Meanwhile, lorry drivers are often driven to destraction by doing lots of disliking (eg., of lots of other road-borne groups) and by also being disliked by similar disperate groups too.
It is thus that we are effectively neutered - intelligent or not
Just some thoughts & no big-deal really, I suppose
Cheers
Now if you wrote all your posts like that’s more of us could understand what you’re saying!
Winseer:
As a place to travel through, it’s bogged under with so many additional traffic laws, that you really have to watch your step as not to get done for something during such a crossing.
Now that’s clutching at straws, moaning about traffic laws. They dont really have any more than us, just that some are different
switchlogic:
Winseer:
As a place to travel through, it’s bogged under with so many additional traffic laws, that you really have to watch your step as not to get done for something during such a crossing.Now that’s clutching at straws, moaning about traffic laws. They dont really have any more than us, just that some are different
Two laws I am going to have a grumble about now are in Hungary. Roundabouts; do not indicate on approach only when exiting. Pedestrian crossings; peds are able to cross when the green light is shown to traffic wishing to turn from the left.
Boy it gets my gander up 
BillyHunt:
Winseer:
The eurozone donks all it’s (our) money away on MEP expense accounts - c’mon - we all knew that!Surely you won’t mind paying then what with so many ukip MEPs to fund.
I’ve just been reading how ukip intend to raise the tax allowance on the minimum wage, it would cost £18.7 million. They intend to pay for it by cutting the top rate of tax from 45% to 40%, this would cost £825 million. I think they might need a new calculator.
Link?
goo.gl/Dp5DYn
As shown on Andrew marr this am.
jonesy1985:
I think you, Sir, need a new calcultor. (Of course this is dependent on UKIP walking in Downing Street and other terms and conditions may apply)
Why would I need a new calculator? I’m not the one trying to get into position to run the country. If this is ukips first stab at what they would do if in government then I would say we could be in for a dodgy time. Luckily they won’t be for years, if ever.
But our MEPs do voice their opinions in the European Parliament, well those that turn up anyway. For the uninformed it’s not some massive club where everyone sits around deciding how to get up the UKs nose. Ideas & plans are put forward from all members and, after discussions, they are voted on. Some come into law, DCPC, others don’t.
jonesy1985:
Winseer:
jonesy1985:
Winseer:
The eurozone donks all it’s (our) money away on MEP expense accounts - c’mon - we all knew that!Good thing too…it is hard work being an MEP, for a start those chairs they have to sit in look very uncomfortable
Yeh, but we don’t get an expense account for having to drive a seddon, or sit in an axor on a hot summer’s day do we?
We should be grateful…the air conditioning can get very cold inside both Immeuble Louise Weiss and Espace Léopold
If that’s some ■■■■■ practice I’ve not heard of before, - I’m not impressed. 
BillyHunt:
jonesy1985:
I think you, Sir, need a new calcultor. (Of course this is dependent on UKIP walking in Downing Street and other terms and conditions may apply)Why would I need a new calculator? I’m not the one trying to get into position to run the country. If this is ukips first stab at what they would do if in government then I would say we could be in for a dodgy time. Luckily they won’t be for years, if ever.
But our MEPs do voice their opinions in the European Parliament, well those that turn up anyway. For the uninformed it’s not some massive club where everyone sits around deciding how to get up the UKs nose. Ideas & plans are put forward from all members and, after discussions, they are voted on. Some come into law, DCPC, others don’t.
My point in suggesting that you need a new calculator is intended as a simile to express the problem when using monetary figures to state a position in an argument. Figures are nearly always incorrect. The suggestion that any of the current “powers that be”, or indeed those of the past, have or had any fixed notion about what cost might be for such and such a project is completely absurd. Time and time again we are informed about how much something will cost and time and time again that figure will irrevocably go up. You can offer me figures to support your argument and I can do the same. But this type of debate is almost meaningless.
If only the EU did operate the way you suggest. If it did then I doubt there would be the millions of self-thinking people struggling to understand it’s mandate and therefore possessing a desire to withdraw from its corrupt and unsung habits.
Winseer wrote:
If that’s some ■■■■■ practice I’ve not heard of before, - I’m not impressed.
Hahaha…i think it might well be…i am sure you could find francois hollande prancing around in there with jose manuel barroso holding hands
jonesy1985:
Winseer wrote:
If that’s some ■■■■■ practice I’ve not heard of before, - I’m not impressed.
Hahaha…i think it might well be…i am sure you could find francois hollande prancing around in there with jose manuel barroso holding hands
…as long as it’s only “Hands” - I think I could live with that. 
well all I can say is the lad who started the topic certainly picked a good one, which means ukip are very very poular, you don’t get posts on the other parties like the lib/lab/con/ vidence tricksters, who just will not listen to the people even after the kicking they have just been given, 
and for all the left wing communist union idiots who are the people responsible for the downfall of this country ie labour, 
just remember everywhere their candidates won an election ukip were a very close second,so what might happen next time around we might see deputy prime minister nigel, but which of the ■■■■■■■■■ will he choose Cameron or milliband 
oh and before any labour supporters say anything don’t forget you left the country bankrupt in 2010, they only get votes from people who say things like ( my grannie told me always vote labour), or the other lot I must vote labour or I will lose my mobility allowance and my walking stick or any other benefit they are getting the genuine people don’t stand a chance of claiming all that,does anybody know why
royhebb2
I fall into neither of your scenarios re Labour supporters, having neither been told by my parents nor having a mobility scooter, neither do I claim any benefits at all with the exception of my pension (next month).
But after always reading the facts, listening to the facts and thinking about the facts, then comparing what the parties offer that coincides with what I want I then usually (but not always) vote Labour.
I have always been a union member and never been a communist, nor have most union members.
Evidently your views of anyone who disagrees with you are very narrow, perhaps even bigoted.
not at all, unions were ok for normal workers who were hard done by with small things, ie workplace issues, overtime hours ,things that shop stewards could easily sort out, but then in the seventies it went all wrong red mel ,Arthur scargill, loads more who thought they were more important than an elected government, I to vote after looking at the issues of the day, and like an idiot I voted for new labour because the cons were going nowhere fast, but after a while I realised there wasn’t much difference as for the benefits thing I used the extreme view but a lot of it is true, both ends of the spectrum toffs and bankers stealing from us, and the other end scroungers and cheats,when I worked for onward transport in the seventies tgwu called us all out on a national strike, because Scottish drivers were not on same basic wage as the rest of uk, so we all came out like good comrades, 
but the tgwu forgot to tell us it was only general haulage that was coming out, not own account companies ie tescos, asda, etcetc, so it was a complete waste of time, we were already getting paid more than the tgwu were bloody asking for , and as to your version of unions how do you know most union members feel like that, ill bet most union members don’t want to go on strike unlike fully paid union officials, who tell you to come out, ive been to branch meetings, and seen it first hand most don’t turn up, so the few that do fill in all, repeat all the voting slips in their favour,thank god that’s been stopped, each to their own, it looks like we will have to agree to disagree,
quite a ramble there.
the 70’s strike had nothing to do with Scottish wage rates that I can remember.
the strike certainly increased my wages and I was on fairly average wages
I was certainly aware that own account operators were not specifically include as the strike was for general haulage rates.
I don’t recall that Onward or Ackworth were on above union rates at the time but will stand correction
By red mel I assume you mean Red Ken of British Leyland fame.
my version of unions?
the claim that most union members were not communists?
I think that your claim that they were is the claim that needs justifying
to claim that all union members are communists is pretty insulting to lots of decent people
your claim that all votes were filled in by members present, well I have always gone to union meetings since I was 19, have been on committees since I was 23 and been branch secretary for over 20 years and I have NEVER seen that, although I have heard claims of it being done
you are correct however in stating that we will have to agree to disagree 
BillyHunt:
‘… But our MEPs do voice their opinions in the European Parliament, well those that turn up anyway …’
Now that the the UK has a more accurate ratio ‘representation’ of Out-of-the-EU MEP’s, there surely will be more voices speaking truths of OUT from these shores being uncomfortably listened at (or will their microphones get spookily turned off first?)
Rather that than the hitherto slurping sounds of subordination embarrassingly & wrongly done in the name of the whole UK by the sycophant & misrepresentative Lib-Lab-Green-Conster, Gravy-Train passengers.
Meanwhile, the fence sitting & supposed (but liberalist) ‘right-of-centre’ press are reporting this news in what should be ‘Euro-horror’ as the poor old Daily Mirror must surely be bricking how to head the pack (reluctant dribble?) of pending EU coalition & mega-federalst, likely blasé mumbling within column millimetres of their (non?) reporting on it.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ondon.html
HK to Billy-Blue-of-Bullshine-Towers; give us a laugh, over…
Despite their gains the “out of euro” MEPs are still heavily outnumbered by the pro euro. I wouldn’t mind more ukip MEPs if I thought they could do anything but they either cannot or will not. Makes it all the more odd that they would invest time & money getting loads of MEPs, when the only place they can be effective in their quest to get us out is our own parliament. Now the zealots on here think they will be in a coalition with the Tories, this despite the messiah himself saying they were only going for 30 or so seats, way too few to have any effect even if they won them all.
BillyHunt:
Despite their gains the “out of euro” MEPs are still heavily outnumbered by the pro euro. I wouldn’t mind more ukip MEPs if I thought they could do anything but they either cannot or will not. Makes it all the more odd that they would invest time & money getting loads of MEPs, when the only place they can be effective in their quest to get us out is our own parliament. Now the zealots on here think they will be in a coalition with the Tories, this despite the messiah himself saying they were only going for 30 or so seats, way too few to have any effect even if they won them all.
Billy Billy Billy…You are missing the whole point of UKIP’s representation in the European Parliament.
Yes they operate with the mandate of an all out referendum. And yes this can mostly be achieved by presence within our domestic political system, which of course they do not yet have. Newark might change that.
However, if their ambition to get out of Europe is a long way in the future it makes logical sense for them to represent disgruntled Eurosceptic voters in the European Parliament.
They are there to at least negotiate a better deal for the UK and highlighting to the voters the corruption of the inept political system in Brussels (example; failure to have accounts audited in nearly 20 years). Something David Cameron claims to be doing but failing miserably. With a committed party, Europe of Freedom and Democracy, UKIP share their voice (and those they represent) with other National Eurosceptic parties across Europe.
Also, why would they focus on gaining seats in the Westminster Parliament which is nearly impossible to become a member of? First past the post puts pain to that. At least the EU is proportionally represented which makes it considerably easier for minority or new parties to make political progress, and fairly represent the population.
Whatever UKIP will or will not do just vote for them !!! if they don’t get some kind of power then we go back to square one with Tory Labour and Lib Dem its up to you folks whatever you believe or not just go and vote for them so the others in power get a size 10 in their ■■■■■■ and realise they aren’t so big and superior but can actually lose !!!
